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RE: Playing Time and our Success
(01-03-2019 10:54 AM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 10:41 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Getting minutes isn't all about offensive production. There's also injuries you have to take into consideration and guys getting minutes increased/reduced b/c of those.

I'm going to throw this out there, but Kalina just isn't going to be an answer that we want to see on the court -- especially as we're trying to get wins in the portion of the season we currently have to bank our wins on. He doesn't have the court speed, which makes him a liability on one side of the court or the other. From seeing him last year there's not really an argument to support giving him any significant minutes, especially if your angle is offensive production.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Estime not start recently because of a technical he received?

Agree and disagree. when we are losing, we need offense. That is exactly how Keats won games. It is clear everyone besides Gadsden needs to work on their defense. Agree that his injury has hindered us.
If and this is a big if... we were a pressing team, Kalina would be able to contribute more. But we still don't know how much he has improved since last year.
I think it was Cacok who had the tech and didn't start one game.

I'd love to hear you expand a little on how Kalina would be more effective on a pressing team. I may be wrong, who knows, but he doesn't appear quick or athletic enough to be productive in a press.
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(01-03-2019 11:36 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 10:54 AM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 10:41 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Getting minutes isn't all about offensive production. There's also injuries you have to take into consideration and guys getting minutes increased/reduced b/c of those.

I'm going to throw this out there, but Kalina just isn't going to be an answer that we want to see on the court -- especially as we're trying to get wins in the portion of the season we currently have to bank our wins on. He doesn't have the court speed, which makes him a liability on one side of the court or the other. From seeing him last year there's not really an argument to support giving him any significant minutes, especially if your angle is offensive production.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Estime not start recently because of a technical he received?

Agree and disagree. when we are losing, we need offense. That is exactly how Keats won games. It is clear everyone besides Gadsden needs to work on their defense. Agree that his injury has hindered us.
If and this is a big if... we were a pressing team, Kalina would be able to contribute more. But we still don't know how much he has improved since last year.
I think it was Cacok who had the tech and didn't start one game.

I'd love to hear you expand a little on how Kalina would be more effective on a pressing team. I may be wrong, who knows, but he doesn't appear quick or athletic enough to be productive in a press.

On a full court press, the 5 is normally setup at half court hence he doesn't have the need to sprint full court on D. If we press, we dictate the pace of the game which allows our 5 more time to rest and in-turn be more productive on D. On offense, he has the height to pass out from inside.
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(01-03-2019 11:52 AM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 11:36 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 10:54 AM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 10:41 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Getting minutes isn't all about offensive production. There's also injuries you have to take into consideration and guys getting minutes increased/reduced b/c of those.

I'm going to throw this out there, but Kalina just isn't going to be an answer that we want to see on the court -- especially as we're trying to get wins in the portion of the season we currently have to bank our wins on. He doesn't have the court speed, which makes him a liability on one side of the court or the other. From seeing him last year there's not really an argument to support giving him any significant minutes, especially if your angle is offensive production.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Estime not start recently because of a technical he received?

Agree and disagree. when we are losing, we need offense. That is exactly how Keats won games. It is clear everyone besides Gadsden needs to work on their defense. Agree that his injury has hindered us.
If and this is a big if... we were a pressing team, Kalina would be able to contribute more. But we still don't know how much he has improved since last year.
I think it was Cacok who had the tech and didn't start one game.

I'd love to hear you expand a little on how Kalina would be more effective on a pressing team. I may be wrong, who knows, but he doesn't appear quick or athletic enough to be productive in a press.

On a full court press, the 5 is normally setup at half court hence he doesn't have the need to sprint full court on D. If we press, we dictate the pace of the game which allows our 5 more time to rest and in-turn be more productive on D. On offense, he has the height to pass out from inside.

I don't feel comfortable with Kalina set up at half court one bit. I'm sorry but Kalina is not the answer in any scenario.
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(01-03-2019 12:10 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 11:52 AM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 11:36 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 10:54 AM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 10:41 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Getting minutes isn't all about offensive production. There's also injuries you have to take into consideration and guys getting minutes increased/reduced b/c of those.

I'm going to throw this out there, but Kalina just isn't going to be an answer that we want to see on the court -- especially as we're trying to get wins in the portion of the season we currently have to bank our wins on. He doesn't have the court speed, which makes him a liability on one side of the court or the other. From seeing him last year there's not really an argument to support giving him any significant minutes, especially if your angle is offensive production.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Estime not start recently because of a technical he received?

Agree and disagree. when we are losing, we need offense. That is exactly how Keats won games. It is clear everyone besides Gadsden needs to work on their defense. Agree that his injury has hindered us.
If and this is a big if... we were a pressing team, Kalina would be able to contribute more. But we still don't know how much he has improved since last year.
I think it was Cacok who had the tech and didn't start one game.

I'd love to hear you expand a little on how Kalina would be more effective on a pressing team. I may be wrong, who knows, but he doesn't appear quick or athletic enough to be productive in a press.

On a full court press, the 5 is normally setup at half court hence he doesn't have the need to sprint full court on D. If we press, we dictate the pace of the game which allows our 5 more time to rest and in-turn be more productive on D. On offense, he has the height to pass out from inside.

I don't feel comfortable with Kalina set up at half court one bit. I'm sorry but Kalina is not the answer in any scenario.

Absolutely agree. On top of that, he doesn't have the "hands" to routinely handle quick passes in and out of the post/inside.
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(01-03-2019 12:49 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 12:10 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 11:52 AM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 11:36 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 10:54 AM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  Agree and disagree. when we are losing, we need offense. That is exactly how Keats won games. It is clear everyone besides Gadsden needs to work on their defense. Agree that his injury has hindered us.
If and this is a big if... we were a pressing team, Kalina would be able to contribute more. But we still don't know how much he has improved since last year.
I think it was Cacok who had the tech and didn't start one game.

I'd love to hear you expand a little on how Kalina would be more effective on a pressing team. I may be wrong, who knows, but he doesn't appear quick or athletic enough to be productive in a press.

On a full court press, the 5 is normally setup at half court hence he doesn't have the need to sprint full court on D. If we press, we dictate the pace of the game which allows our 5 more time to rest and in-turn be more productive on D. On offense, he has the height to pass out from inside.

I don't feel comfortable with Kalina set up at half court one bit. I'm sorry but Kalina is not the answer in any scenario.

Absolutely agree. On top of that, he doesn't have the "hands" to routinely handle quick passes in and out of the post/inside.
agree!! The guy at mid court in your press is a ball-hawk, or a linebacker to to speak. Generally long, quick guys that can react to passes quickly.
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Also... nice to have some fresh opinions on here. Welcome SeahawkSilver!
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Kalina is slow and does not rebound aggressively. And he has terrible hands.
O'Connell has better footwork and uses his length better than Kalina. Kalina has a tendency to stand still and reach out for loose balls, where O'Connell goes to the ball. O'Connell knows his strengths and doesn't try to do things he is not very well equipped to do. He is a much better role player and contributes in ways that don't show up in the stats. But I would like to see him score a little more.
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I've always felt that playing more guys is a good thing but I know that I'm in the minority around here that would like an 8 man rotation. It can build team chemistry even if it's a minute or 2 in the first half or at the end in a blowout. If you can throw Kalina or Elmore a bone, they might just get fired up, you don't know. And, I'm not saying a bunch, but some.
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(01-03-2019 12:49 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 12:10 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 11:52 AM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 11:36 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 10:54 AM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  Agree and disagree. when we are losing, we need offense. That is exactly how Keats won games. It is clear everyone besides Gadsden needs to work on their defense. Agree that his injury has hindered us.
If and this is a big if... we were a pressing team, Kalina would be able to contribute more. But we still don't know how much he has improved since last year.
I think it was Cacok who had the tech and didn't start one game.

I'd love to hear you expand a little on how Kalina would be more effective on a pressing team. I may be wrong, who knows, but he doesn't appear quick or athletic enough to be productive in a press.

I don't feel comfortable with Kalina set up at half court one bit. I'm sorry but Kalina is not the answer in any scenario.

Absolutely agree. On top of that, he doesn't have the "hands" to routinely handle quick passes in and out of the post/inside.

Kalina has played a total of 7 min all season. How are you CG and Sea33 able to form that opinion? Most on here know this sport no question, but I am often amazed on the opinions formed with no supporting facts.
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Under Keatts, the 5 in the press was the "Last line of defense". He wasn't asked to be a ball-hawking safety. However, that led to the 5 picking up a lot of fouls when the press was broken and the opponent was able to attack the rim.

While I don't think Kalina is the best option for the press, he's better than Cacok for this role, because we don't want Devontae picking up fouls. O'Connell makes the most sense.
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(01-03-2019 02:35 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 12:49 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 12:10 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 11:52 AM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 11:36 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I'd love to hear you expand a little on how Kalina would be more effective on a pressing team. I may be wrong, who knows, but he doesn't appear quick or athletic enough to be productive in a press.

I don't feel comfortable with Kalina set up at half court one bit. I'm sorry but Kalina is not the answer in any scenario.

Absolutely agree. On top of that, he doesn't have the "hands" to routinely handle quick passes in and out of the post/inside.

Kalina has played a total of 7 min all season. How are you CG and Sea33 able to form that opinion? Most on here know this sport no question, but I am often amazed on the opinions formed with no supporting facts.

Did you not watch Kalina play last season??? I'm sure he's a nice kid but he makes CJ Gettys seem like Patrick Ewing
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(01-03-2019 02:35 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  Kalina has played a total of 7 min all season. How are you CG and Sea33 able to form that opinion? Most on here know this sport no question, but I am often amazed on the opinions formed with no supporting facts.

He appeared in 25 games last season, averaging 6 minutes per game.

I think we have quite a bit of sampling on what Kalina can and cannot do.
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He averaged 4 in conference play and did not play in 6 conference games. I just don't agree that allows someone enough time to make that call.
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(01-03-2019 02:49 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  He averaged 4 in conference play and did not play in 6 conference games. I just don't agree that allows someone enough time to make that call.

I mostly agree. But again, I have to lean on the fact that the coaches see him in practice every day. We had Coach Wolf all of last year, whose sole purpose was to work with kids like Kalina.

I get that you might not trust their judgment on this, but I just can't imagine he's shown enough in practice to deserve meaningful minutes.
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I think it's pretty clear that we have our rotation, if we can get Gadsden back... great. If not, the 8 guys we have out there right now undoubtedly give us the best chance to win. The staff needs put them in position to succeed, and they need to step up and make plays to win the game. I'd be very concerned if we didn't know what our rotation was at this point and were experimenting with Kalina and Elmore, but I don't think that's the case.
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(01-03-2019 02:38 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 02:35 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 12:49 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 12:10 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 11:52 AM)Seahawksilver Wrote:  

I don't feel comfortable with Kalina set up at half court one bit. I'm sorry but Kalina is not the answer in any scenario.

Absolutely agree. On top of that, he doesn't have the "hands" to routinely handle quick passes in and out of the post/inside.

Kalina has played a total of 7 min all season. How are you CG and Sea33 able to form that opinion? Most on here know this sport no question, but I am often amazed on the opinions formed with no supporting facts.

Did you not watch Kalina play last season??? I'm sure he's a nice kid but he makes CJ Gettys seem like Patrick Ewing

Exactly. I don’t need to watch that again this season. He played some minutes early in the year this year and it looked like the same Kalina from last year. No thanks. At this point he’s a last ditch option in the case we don’t have Cacok or O’Connell as options. Which won’t be often, and I’m completely fine with that.


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