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(01-03-2019 04:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  UCF came back in garbage time? It was one TD and 2-pt conversion and that put them within one score. If they recovered the onside kick they still had more than 2 minutes to tie it up.

IIRC, UCF was extremely lucky to score that last TD. UCF had second and 15 from their own 20, and their QB was sacked back at the 5. But LSU was hit with two personal foul penalties after the play, both of which were enforced, so instead of UCF having 3rd and 30 from their own 5 yard line, they had 1st and 10 from midfield.

That 'drive' should have ended with a punt from like their own 10 yard line, not a TD.

Lucky? C'mon. So penalties are luck now? What about turnovers? Bad passes? LSU had well over 100 yards of penalties in that game. They have only themselves to blame.
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This is how I would rank it (note:-this is not what I expect, but my personal opinion)

1. Alabama/Clemson
2. Alabama/Clemson
3. OU
4. Ohio St.
5. Notre Dame
6. Georgia
7. Texas
8. LSU
9. Kentucky
10. Florida
11. Texas A&M
12. Washington
13. Washington St.
14. Michigan
15. UCF
16. Penn St.
17. Syracuse
18. West Virginia
19. Fresno
20. Cincinnati
21. Boise
22. Northwestern
23. Iowa St.
24. Army
25. Iowa
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I get a huge chuckle out of someone crapping on UCF because of their conference but including a five loss PAC 12 school in their top 25. I doubt Utah, Washington, Washington State or anyone else in that conference for that matter could have fared any better against LSU.
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(01-03-2019 05:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I get a huge chuckle out of someone crapping on UCF because of their conference but including a five loss PAC 12 school in their top 25. I doubt Utah, Washington, Washington State or anyone else in that conference for that matter could have fared any better against LSU.

Washington only lost by 5 to Ohio St. who is better than LSU.
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(01-03-2019 05:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I get a huge chuckle out of someone crapping on UCF because of their conference but including a five loss PAC 12 school in their top 25. I doubt Utah, Washington, Washington State or anyone else in that conference for that matter could have fared any better against LSU.

Washington only lost by 5 to Ohio St. who is better than LSU.

Despite the final score, that game was not even competitive. OSU was up 28-3 going into the 4th quarter. Someone chimed in earlier that LSU took their foot of the gas---- if LSU took their foot of the gas, OSU got out of the car entirely.
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(01-03-2019 05:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 05:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I get a huge chuckle out of someone crapping on UCF because of their conference but including a five loss PAC 12 school in their top 25. I doubt Utah, Washington, Washington State or anyone else in that conference for that matter could have fared any better against LSU.

Washington only lost by 5 to Ohio St. who is better than LSU.

Despite the final score, that game was not even competitive. OSU was up 28-3 going into the 4th quarter. Someone chimed in earlier that LSU took their foot of the gas---- if LSU took their foot of the gas, OSU got out of the car entirely.

You AAC people really are homers. I've got nothing for or against the Pac and AAC. Yes, Ohio St. looked like a distinctly better team, but LSU looked vastly better than UCF. UCF had trouble getting a pass off. UW outgained Ohio St. 444-364. LSU outgained UCF 555-250. Washington did better against a better team than UCF did.
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(01-03-2019 05:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 05:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 05:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 05:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I get a huge chuckle out of someone crapping on UCF because of their conference but including a five loss PAC 12 school in their top 25. I doubt Utah, Washington, Washington State or anyone else in that conference for that matter could have fared any better against LSU.

Washington only lost by 5 to Ohio St. who is better than LSU.

Despite the final score, that game was not even competitive. OSU was up 28-3 going into the 4th quarter. Someone chimed in earlier that LSU took their foot of the gas---- if LSU took their foot of the gas, OSU got out of the car entirely.

You AAC people really are homers. I've got nothing for or against the Pac and AAC. Yes, Ohio St. looked like a distinctly better team, but LSU looked vastly better than UCF. UCF had trouble getting a pass off. UW outgained Ohio St. 444-364. LSU outgained UCF 555-250. Washington did better against a better team than UCF did.

Don’t confuse me with others- I don’t root for a conference, I root for my alma mater. I do recognize the AAC has competitive issues against the upper echelon. What I don’t subscribe to is that a five loss team is upper echelon.
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(01-03-2019 06:10 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 05:30 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 05:16 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 05:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 05:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I get a huge chuckle out of someone crapping on UCF because of their conference but including a five loss PAC 12 school in their top 25. I doubt Utah, Washington, Washington State or anyone else in that conference for that matter could have fared any better against LSU.

Washington only lost by 5 to Ohio St. who is better than LSU.

Despite the final score, that game was not even competitive. OSU was up 28-3 going into the 4th quarter. Someone chimed in earlier that LSU took their foot of the gas---- if LSU took their foot of the gas, OSU got out of the car entirely.

You AAC people really are homers. I've got nothing for or against the Pac and AAC. Yes, Ohio St. looked like a distinctly better team, but LSU looked vastly better than UCF. UCF had trouble getting a pass off. UW outgained Ohio St. 444-364. LSU outgained UCF 555-250. Washington did better against a better team than UCF did.

Don’t confuse me with others- I don’t root for a conference, I root for my alma mater. I do recognize the AAC has competitive issues against the upper echelon. What I don’t subscribe to is that a five loss team is upper echelon.

I can see the logic in ranking Utah but I agree 5 losses makes you 8-5. I'm not hard over but the eye test on Utah and the quality losses puts them in the convo for a spot around #25.
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RE: Final Rankings?
here's the relevant area for Utah...
18 Miss St lost
19 Fresno St won
20 Utah lost
21 Texas A&M won
22 Army won
23 Boise dnp
24 Missouri lost
25 Iowa St lost
26 Northwestern won
27 Utah St won
28 NC State lost
29 Cincy won
30 Stanford won
31 App St won

1 team ahead of them lost in a closer game. So won't have anyone fall behind them....
A&M and Army will pass them for sure. I'd say Boise probably as well... So that's 23
Northwestern should definitely pass them. So that's 24.

So fighting for 25th with Utah St, Cincy, Stanford, and App St. I'd say with how ugly of a collapse they had in that bowl game- they probably aren't ranked.
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(01-03-2019 04:55 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 04:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 04:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  UCF came back in garbage time? It was one TD and 2-pt conversion and that put them within one score. If they recovered the onside kick they still had more than 2 minutes to tie it up.

IIRC, UCF was extremely lucky to score that last TD. UCF had second and 15 from their own 20, and their QB was sacked back at the 5. But LSU was hit with two personal foul penalties after the play, both of which were enforced, so instead of UCF having 3rd and 30 from their own 5 yard line, they had 1st and 10 from midfield.

That 'drive' should have ended with a punt from like their own 10 yard line, not a TD.

Lucky? C'mon. So penalties are luck now? What about turnovers? Bad passes? LSU had well over 100 yards of penalties in that game. They have only themselves to blame.

It was very lucky for UCF that LSU gifted them that last TD. That's all i was saying.

When you get out-gained 550 to 250 and 45 mins to 15 mins and 32 first downs to 17 first downs, the other team has to make a lot of blunders for you to lose "only" by 8 points.

And those blunders can be explained by LSU having to play so many green players.
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(01-03-2019 05:10 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  One other one Utah State should be over Utah.


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Do Utah and Utah St play anymore in fb and basketball?
I would think they would be good competitive games in both right now...
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(01-03-2019 06:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  here's the relevant area for Utah...
18 Miss St lost
19 Fresno St won
20 Utah lost
21 Texas A&M won
22 Army won
23 Boise dnp
24 Missouri lost
25 Iowa St lost
26 Northwestern won
27 Utah St won
28 NC State lost
29 Cincy won
30 Stanford won
31 App St won

1 team ahead of them lost in a closer game. So won't have anyone fall behind them....
A&M and Army will pass them for sure. I'd say Boise probably as well... So that's 23
Northwestern should definitely pass them. So that's 24.

So fighting for 25th with Utah St, Cincy, Stanford, and App St. I'd say with how ugly of a collapse they had in that bowl game- they probably aren't ranked.


Why would you have a 5 loss Utah over a 2 loss Utah State. Utah State had a better record, better scores on same opponent, better eye test, and their fans are not as douchey as Utes.


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(01-03-2019 09:13 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 06:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  here's the relevant area for Utah...
18 Miss St lost
19 Fresno St won
20 Utah lost
21 Texas A&M won
22 Army won
23 Boise dnp
24 Missouri lost
25 Iowa St lost
26 Northwestern won
27 Utah St won
28 NC State lost
29 Cincy won
30 Stanford won
31 App St won

1 team ahead of them lost in a closer game. So won't have anyone fall behind them....
A&M and Army will pass them for sure. I'd say Boise probably as well... So that's 23
Northwestern should definitely pass them. So that's 24.

So fighting for 25th with Utah St, Cincy, Stanford, and App St. I'd say with how ugly of a collapse they had in that bowl game- they probably aren't ranked.


Why would you have a 5 loss Utah over a 2 loss Utah State. Utah State had a better record, better scores on same opponent, better eye test, and their fans are not as douchey as Utes.


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Utah State is definitely in the convo too...obviously Utah's schedule was more challenging with 4 ranked teams. Here is the kicker: @Michigan State and @Boise State were Utah State's only teams of note and they lost both games. The rest of their schedule was very easy.

To me they look about the same. Neither could beat ranked teams. You have to decide what is the better win: Utah over Oregon or Utah St clobbering UNT.
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(01-03-2019 04:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  UCF came back in garbage time? It was one TD and 2-pt conversion and that put them within one score. If they recovered the onside kick they still had more than 2 minutes to tie it up.

Yes garbage time. Neither Ohio State nor Texas nor LSU handled it well allowing opponents they had put away make a scare of a solid win.

UCF just doesn't belong. Soft schedule that makes Notre Dames path look super tough. Only a G5 fan could not see that.
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(01-03-2019 04:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  UCF came back in garbage time? It was one TD and 2-pt conversion and that put them within one score. If they recovered the onside kick they still had more than 2 minutes to tie it up.

Yes garbage time. Neither Ohio State nor Texas nor LSU handled it well allowing opponents they had put away make a scare of a solid win.

UCF just doesn't belong. Soft schedule that makes Notre Dames path look super tough. Only a G5 fan could not see that.

LSU was never ahead by more than 16 points. 2 scores. That is not garbage time. And they had almost 2:30 left after the last TD. I'm not saying UCF should have been in the playoff. Just saying that people are overstating their case when they act like the game wasn't close. I watched it. It was close. And no, I don't care if you can move the ball between the 20s all day if you aren't able to get points out of it.
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(01-04-2019 08:21 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-04-2019 01:25 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 04:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  UCF came back in garbage time? It was one TD and 2-pt conversion and that put them within one score. If they recovered the onside kick they still had more than 2 minutes to tie it up.

Yes garbage time. Neither Ohio State nor Texas nor LSU handled it well allowing opponents they had put away make a scare of a solid win.

UCF just doesn't belong. Soft schedule that makes Notre Dames path look super tough. Only a G5 fan could not see that.

LSU was never ahead by more than 16 points. 2 scores. That is not garbage time. And they had almost 2:30 left after the last TD. I'm not saying UCF should have been in the playoff. Just saying that people are overstating their case when they act like the game wasn't close. I watched it. It was close. And no, I don't care if you can move the ball between the 20s all day if you aren't able to get points out of it.

The game was a statistical rout, only fluke/lucky breaks for UCF kept it within reason on the scoreboard. It was total LSU domination.

And according to ESPN's game tracker, LSU's chances to win when up 40-24 was 99.7%. After UCF scored the two-pointer to make it 40-32, it was 99.4%. So yes, that's garbage time. LSU's chance to win was above 94% the entire 4th quarter.

And btw, LSU only had one drive where they "moved the ball between the 20s" and didn't score.
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(01-04-2019 08:21 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(01-03-2019 04:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  UCF came back in garbage time? It was one TD and 2-pt conversion and that put them within one score. If they recovered the onside kick they still had more than 2 minutes to tie it up.

Yes garbage time. Neither Ohio State nor Texas nor LSU handled it well allowing opponents they had put away make a scare of a solid win.

UCF just doesn't belong. Soft schedule that makes Notre Dames path look super tough. Only a G5 fan could not see that.

LSU was never ahead by more than 16 points. 2 scores. That is not garbage time. And they had almost 2:30 left after the last TD. I'm not saying UCF should have been in the playoff. Just saying that people are overstating their case when they act like the game wasn't close. I watched it. It was close. And no, I don't care if you can move the ball between the 20s all day if you aren't able to get points out of it.

The game was a statistical rout, only fluke/lucky breaks for UCF kept it within reason on the scoreboard. It was total LSU domination.

And according to ESPN's game tracker, UCF's chances to win when down 40-24 was 99.7%. After UCF scored the two-pointer to make it 40-32, it was 99.4%. So yes, that's garbage time. LSU's chance to win was above 94% the entire 4th quarter.

And btw, LSU only had one drive where they "moved the ball between the 20s" and didn't score.

and I'm sure ESPN's game tracker was influenced by their pregame notions of both teams....

I would have loved to have seen that game had UCF's player not committed that dumb ass penalty after being up 14-3 and having just gotten a 3rd down sack... Turned the game completely around.
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(01-03-2019 05:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I get a huge chuckle out of someone crapping on UCF because of their conference but including a five loss PAC 12 school in their top 25. I doubt Utah, Washington, Washington State or anyone else in that conference for that matter could have fared any better against LSU.

Washington only lost by 5 to Ohio St. who is better than LSU.

Despite the final score, that game was not even competitive. OSU was up 28-3 going into the 4th quarter. Someone chimed in earlier that LSU took their foot of the gas---- if LSU took their foot of the gas, OSU got out of the car entirely.

You AAC people really are homers. I've got nothing for or against the Pac and AAC. Yes, Ohio St. looked like a distinctly better team, but LSU looked vastly better than UCF. UCF had trouble getting a pass off. UW outgained Ohio St. 444-364. LSU outgained UCF 555-250. Washington did better against a better team than UCF did.

UCF kept the game close despite losing its star QB and playing a RS freshman with 3 games experience. Thats the reason we coudnt pass the ball. We are a significantly weaker team without a decent qb. So everyone needs to stop with the nonsense that UCF cant compete with top teams. Its one loss to a top 10 team by one score. How does that prove we dont belong? Everyone treats UCF more harshly than other schools. Every other top team (besides Alabama and clemson) lost a game and most werent to a top 10 team by a score.
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(01-03-2019 05:02 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-03-2019 05:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I get a huge chuckle out of someone crapping on UCF because of their conference but including a five loss PAC 12 school in their top 25. I doubt Utah, Washington, Washington State or anyone else in that conference for that matter could have fared any better against LSU.

Washington only lost by 5 to Ohio St. who is better than LSU.

Despite the final score, that game was not even competitive. OSU was up 28-3 going into the 4th quarter. Someone chimed in earlier that LSU took their foot of the gas---- if LSU took their foot of the gas, OSU got out of the car entirely.

You AAC people really are homers. I've got nothing for or against the Pac and AAC. Yes, Ohio St. looked like a distinctly better team, but LSU looked vastly better than UCF. UCF had trouble getting a pass off. UW outgained Ohio St. 444-364. LSU outgained UCF 555-250. Washington did better against a better team than UCF did.

UCF kept the game close despite losing its star QB and playing a RS freshman with 3 games experience. Thats the reason we coudnt pass the ball. We are a significantly weaker team without a decent qb. So everyone needs to stop with the nonsense that UCF cant compete with top teams. Its one loss to a top 10 team by one score. How does that prove we dont belong? Everyone treats UCF more harshly than other schools. Every other top team (besides Alabama and clemson) lost a game and most werent to a top 10 team by a score.

They're "G5" so the assumption is that they can't compete. If they do compete, then the rationalizations start.
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