(01-02-2019 10:13 AM)Oldduke Wrote:  I have never understood why it is automatically assumed that if a person has been exposed to good coaching, played well as a collegian and/or professional that it translates to being a good head coach.

One thing is for certain, I never witnessed the Lefthander standing on the sidelines during a game appearing in a comatose state (especially when his team was getting its ice handed to it by almost 20 pts and by a team who was 2-10 vs D1 opposition at the time). Very odd body language and posture. It reeked with "I don't want to be here".

(01-02-2019 09:57 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(01-02-2019 09:53 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 02:17 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  Yes and yes, Hyper and Hazed. Time to stop cheaping out. Sure, maybe $400k would get us someone who could keep us between #100-150 in the country and top 3-4 in the CAA, but is that our goal? If we find a great coach that wants to come here, but it takes $600k+ then we need to do that. Let's aim for top 50-75 in the country. Again, $88 million arena on the way. We're averaging a little over 2k in attendance right now, but the new arena will hold 8,500...that's a 6k swing in attendance and $1.3 million in lost ticket sales if we were to fill the house.

Agree 100%! We need to stop thinking "$ XXX,000 will be top pay in the CAA." Except for one or two programs, CAA Basketball in it's current state isn't even mid-major, more like low major. (IMHO) JMU has/will have everything in place to be a top destination basketball job/program. How many quality coaching prospects will show interest when we say we're paying around $400K? A top 50-75 coach with the tools to build a successful program is at least $600K.

It's way too early in the season to call for Coach Rowes head but I do believe this is the "do or die" year for him. I hope I'm wrong, I really like LR but....JMU took a shot and if this doesn't pan out, I hope our admin puts their big boy pants on.

We have the talent on this team. Louis Rowe played under Lefty Drisell (one of our best coaches) played pro ball, so what is the problem? We still have time to get it together.

What’s the problem? Lou Rowe is 27-53. He’s had 80 games to get it together and the result has been hot garbage. Hopefully only 17 more of this dumpster fire before we can try again. Being a JMU men’s basketball fan is the same as a redskins football fan. I’m not even mad when we lose anymore. I just don’t care.

Joe Lombardi
-Age 59
-Head Coach at Indiana (PA)... currently ranked #3 in the nation in D2
-Has been HC at Indiana PA since 2006
-Started with 6-21 and 13-15 records his first 2 seasons, but then got it going in Year 3
-His teams have won at least 21 games every season since (10 straight seasons) and hasn't lost more than 8 during that stretch
-His teams have made the national title game twice ('10 in Year 4 & '15)

275-97 overall record at IndPA

Bio: https://iupathletics.com/staff.aspx?staff=14

We might never lure him away at his age, but whether we do or we don't, this is the kind of resume' that is out there at the D2 level and worth researching.

Actually, age 59 is not that old...lots of D1 CBB head coaches have been and continue to do just fine in their 60's and 70's.

(01-02-2019 09:57 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  

(01-02-2019 09:53 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 02:17 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  Yes and yes, Hyper and Hazed. Time to stop cheaping out. Sure, maybe $400k would get us someone who could keep us between #100-150 in the country and top 3-4 in the CAA, but is that our goal? If we find a great coach that wants to come here, but it takes $600k+ then we need to do that. Let's aim for top 50-75 in the country. Again, $88 million arena on the way. We're averaging a little over 2k in attendance right now, but the new arena will hold 8,500...that's a 6k swing in attendance and $1.3 million in lost ticket sales if we were to fill the house.

Agree 100%! We need to stop thinking "$ XXX,000 will be top pay in the CAA." Except for one or two programs, CAA Basketball in it's current state isn't even mid-major, more like low major. (IMHO) JMU has/will have everything in place to be a top destination basketball job/program. How many quality coaching prospects will show interest when we say we're paying around $400K? A top 50-75 coach with the tools to build a successful program is at least $600K.

It's way too early in the season to call for Coach Rowes head but I do believe this is the "do or die" year for him. I hope I'm wrong, I really like LR but....JMU took a shot and if this doesn't pan out, I hope our admin puts their big boy pants on.

We have the talent on this team. Louis Rowe played under Lefty Drisell (one of our best coaches) played pro ball, so what is the problem? We still have time to get it together.

This team/coaching "style" is missing the "it factor" The difference between a winning program and a losing program is very small in D1 basketball. A top Freshman at I think Duke was asked what was the hardest adjustment to make from HS to College. His answer was "everyone playing college basketball is good, I had to learn how to work not to be average"

Little things like hustling just a little harder to get back on D, a SF taking a step to help defend in the low post, making an extra pass, motion from the wings, everyone plays big/use your body. It's seems to me the culture of playing above the bar or with a "we can beat anyone" or refusing to lose attitude isn't something coach is able to convey to the team. I'm sure he says it but it seems he doesn't have them believing. Outside the top 10, most good programs don't do everything well, pick something and be the best at it. It's OK to sacrifice being 30% in FG to be the best defensive team in the conf. or having the highest forced TO, top combined rebounds....pick something.

Anyone can coach the X's and O's of basketball but the hardest part is the mental/people part of basketball.

(01-02-2019 09:53 AM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 02:17 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  Yes and yes, Hyper and Hazed. Time to stop cheaping out. Sure, maybe $400k would get us someone who could keep us between #100-150 in the country and top 3-4 in the CAA, but is that our goal? If we find a great coach that wants to come here, but it takes $600k+ then we need to do that. Let's aim for top 50-75 in the country. Again, $88 million arena on the way. We're averaging a little over 2k in attendance right now, but the new arena will hold 8,500...that's a 6k swing in attendance and $1.3 million in lost ticket sales if we were to fill the house.

Agree 100%! We need to stop thinking "$ XXX,000 will be top pay in the CAA." Except for one or two programs, CAA Basketball in it's current state isn't even mid-major, more like low major. (IMHO) JMU has/will have everything in place to be a top destination basketball job/program. How many quality coaching prospects will show interest when we say we're paying around $400K? A top 50-75 coach with the tools to build a successful program is at least $600K.

To expand on this more. Larranaga was making $700k at Mason (after incentives), but left for 1.3 million at Miami. Mason fans are still pissed that Mason didn't come up on salary to keep him there (you can see what him leaving did to their team). We need to drop high dollars ($600k+) and then be willing to extend and up the contract immediately if the success is there. This isn't FCS football. We may not be able to compete with the true blue bloods in MBB, but if we're packing the new arena, we can be in the #65-75 region and not lose out to other mid-majors. Above that and it takes tourney dollars and large donor pockets. We've gone medium. We've gone cheap. It's time to shoot for the moon.

I mean come on people...Deez has stopped attending JMU MBB games. This is the guy that played in the pep band for 17 years because he loved it so much!

^^Just call me Andre Seminov

(01-02-2019 10:47 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Joe Lombardi
-Age 59
-Head Coach at Indiana (PA)... currently ranked #3 in the nation in D2
-Has been HC at Indiana PA since 2006
-Started with 6-21 and 13-15 records his first 2 seasons, but then got it going in Year 3
-His teams have won at least 21 games every season since (10 straight seasons) and hasn't lost more than 8 during that stretch
-His teams have made the national title game twice ('10 in Year 4 & '15)

275-97 overall record at IndPA

Bio: https://iupathletics.com/staff.aspx?staff=14

We might never lure him away at his age, but whether we do or we don't, this is the kind of resume' that is out there at the D2 level and worth researching.

Actually, age 59 is not that old...lots of D1 CBB head coaches have been and continue to do just fine in their 60's and 70's.

I mentioned him and a couple other D2 guys in the "Rowe must Go" thread. IF a change is made, and IF we bring him in, perhaps we can have a coach in waiting thing where he can groom his top assistant to take over after he retires.

(01-02-2019 11:31 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  ^^Just call me Andre Seminov

well played, sir

I ran a couple of queries that are dated, but thought it was interesting that in this article were a number of candidates that JMU considered last go-round (both head coaches and assistants): https://sports.yahoo.com/20-head-coaches...21867.html

Couple of ex Wichita State assistants on that list that have done well (Earl Grant and Steve Forbes).

I seem to recall that Christian, Kelsey, Sanchez and perhaps Pelphrey were in the mix. Kelsey backed out of a job with UMass that would have paid about $800K a year recently.

(01-01-2019 05:38 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:07 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:05 AM)Oldduke Wrote:  Sorry BSKB, we haven’t had much luck with former players as coaches!

I'm so old very few would remember I ever played!

Do you even remember?

It's funny, I can remember every game from high school and college and cant't remember what I went into the kitchen for!

(01-02-2019 01:32 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 05:38 AM)jmuroadwarrior Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:07 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(01-01-2019 12:05 AM)Oldduke Wrote:  Sorry BSKB, we haven’t had much luck with former players as coaches!

I'm so old very few would remember I ever played!

Do you even remember?

It's funny, I can remember every game from high school and college and cant't remember what I went into the kitchen for!

I have the same problem when I am standing in the kitchen with the refrigerator door open, half asleep pondering. I also have to remember not to pee while I am standing there.

I second Cent

Looks like we have some competition for Longhorn's boi

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-bask...dv5mh2m2c5

(01-04-2019 03:18 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Looks like we have some competition for Longhorn's boi

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-bask...dv5mh2m2c5

When will JMU ever get even one alum with half as deep pockets? One can dream....

(01-04-2019 03:18 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Looks like we have some competition for Longhorn's boi

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-bask...dv5mh2m2c5

Of course UCLA wants him. They're not fools. They'll pay the price and snub their nose at the NCAA and FBI, or whoever else gets in their way. They know...Pitino is the answer.

In the meantime...back at "Green Acres" Mr. Haney will sell us some crap coach off the back of his truck.

(01-02-2019 11:45 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(01-02-2019 10:47 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  Joe Lombardi
-Age 59
-Head Coach at Indiana (PA)... currently ranked #3 in the nation in D2
-Has been HC at Indiana PA since 2006
-Started with 6-21 and 13-15 records his first 2 seasons, but then got it going in Year 3
-His teams have won at least 21 games every season since (10 straight seasons) and hasn't lost more than 8 during that stretch
-His teams have made the national title game twice ('10 in Year 4 & '15)

275-97 overall record at IndPA

Bio: https://iupathletics.com/staff.aspx?staff=14

We might never lure him away at his age, but whether we do or we don't, this is the kind of resume' that is out there at the D2 level and worth researching.

Actually, age 59 is not that old...lots of D1 CBB head coaches have been and continue to do just fine in their 60's and 70's.

I mentioned him and a couple other D2 guys in the "Rowe must Go" thread. IF a change is made, and IF we bring him in, perhaps we can have a coach in waiting thing where he can groom his top assistant to take over after he retires.

You guys do realize HC3 should know JL well. This is the school CC coached prior to Elon.

(01-04-2019 05:22 PM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 03:18 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Looks like we have some competition for Longhorn's boi

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-bask...dv5mh2m2c5

When will JMU ever get even one alum with half as deep pockets? One can dream....

Yea Pitino is probably going to UNLV or UCLA, we never had a remote chance in getting him to come here

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(01-05-2019 12:50 PM)jmuduke10 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 05:22 PM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 03:18 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Looks like we have some competition for Longhorn's boi

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-bask...dv5mh2m2c5

When will JMU ever get even one alum with half as deep pockets? One can dream....

Yea Pitino is probably going to UNLV or UCLA, we never had a remote chance in getting him to come here

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using CSNbbs mobile app

Kind of foolish if anyone realistically thought he would even give us a glance.
We're not even good enough for Pitino to view as a "project". Our program is sewage and right now just need a garbageman to clean up the mess. And even then Pitino still wouldn't think of us. We might as well be a D-III school. Pitino is all about Pitino. He was never going anywhere but a P-5 program.

And all of this is crap anyway since we're probably stuck with our garbage coach for another year.

(01-05-2019 03:18 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 12:50 PM)jmuduke10 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 05:22 PM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 03:18 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Looks like we have some competition for Longhorn's boi

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-bask...dv5mh2m2c5

When will JMU ever get even one alum with half as deep pockets? One can dream....

Yea Pitino is probably going to UNLV or UCLA, we never had a remote chance in getting him to come here

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using CSNbbs mobile app

Kind of foolish if anyone realistically thought he would even give us a glance.
We're not even good enough for Pitino to view as a "project". Our program is sewage and right now just need a garbageman to clean up the mess. And even then Pitino still wouldn't think of us. We might as well be a D-III school. Pitino is all about Pitino. He was never going anywhere but a P-5 program.

And all of this is crap anyway since we're probably stuck with our garbage coach for another year.

Money talks, BS walks. Admittedly it would take a perfect alignment of factors to get a coach like Pitino to JMU (such as Pitino becoming so radioactive no P5 or NBA team would touch him), and even then JMU would have to raise and wave the kind of money at him that has never been waved at any coach in the CAA (I believe Larranaga was a high-water mark making a reported $800k).

But the only "foolish" notion is that JMU is going to find a savior HC by continuing to search in the bargain-bin. We keep purchasing the pile of horse manure with promise a pony is hiding within.

At this point I'd be shocked if JMU came up with $500k as a starting point for the next HC...and I'm not sure that such a handsome amount (from a working Joe's point of view) is going to be sufficient to attract the right coach, the coach JMU needs, to turn MBB around. IMO JMU should be prepared to go up to and beyond $750k.

(01-05-2019 08:31 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 03:18 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(01-05-2019 12:50 PM)jmuduke10 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 05:22 PM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  

(01-04-2019 03:18 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Looks like we have some competition for Longhorn's boi

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-bask...dv5mh2m2c5

When will JMU ever get even one alum with half as deep pockets? One can dream....

Yea Pitino is probably going to UNLV or UCLA, we never had a remote chance in getting him to come here

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using CSNbbs mobile app

Kind of foolish if anyone realistically thought he would even give us a glance.
We're not even good enough for Pitino to view as a "project". Our program is sewage and right now just need a garbageman to clean up the mess. And even then Pitino still wouldn't think of us. We might as well be a D-III school. Pitino is all about Pitino. He was never going anywhere but a P-5 program.

And all of this is crap anyway since we're probably stuck with our garbage coach for another year.

Money talks, BS walks. Admittedly it would take a perfect alignment of factors to get a coach like Pitino to JMU (such as Pitino becoming so radioactive no P5 or NBA team would touch him), and even then JMU would have to raise and wave the kind of money at him that has never been waved at any coach in the CAA (I believe Larranaga was a high-water mark making a reported $800k).

But the only "foolish" notion is that JMU is going to find a savior HC by continuing to search in the bargain-bin. We keep purchasing the pile of horse manure with promise a pony is hiding within.

At this point I'd be shocked if JMU came up with $500k as a starting point for the next HC...and I'm not sure that such a handsome amount (from a working Joe's point of view) is going to be sufficient to attract the right coach, the coach JMU needs, to turn MBB around. IMO JMU should be prepared to go up to and beyond $750k.

I just don't see JMU going from a measly bottom level CAA salary to all of a sudden paying 3/4 of a million dollars for a guy that has a history of questionable behavior. Keep in mind I am all for Pitino, but that hire would be incredibly out of character for JMU.
They seem to think that they can turn this thing around by finding a diamond in the rough. Their hires have been of the same type of poor convoluted strategy that I fear they are going to do again when Rowe is fired or resigns. I fear that they haven't learned from their mistakes. The reason? Dillard was a mistake. Keener was a mistake. Brady didn't work out. Rowe is a major mistake. There's a pattern. I'll believe they've learned when I see them hire a successful coach and pay him to get him here.