Congratulations, Syracuse! Really nice win.

Congrats Syracuse for finally accomplishing something as a member of the ACC in football.

(12-28-2018 08:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:22 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:20 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:11 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  If Will Grier had played WVU would be stomping Syracuse based on what I’ve seen tonight

But if Syracuse had all 5 defensive starters who arent playing, including the second best DE in the ACC, WV would not not be doing as good as they are. As it is they only scored one TD and that was because of an Cuse INT at their own 10 yard line

An air raid replacing an early round QB and left tackle with spare parts would eat this D alive if they had their full strength or at least make it a comfortable win. Ask TCU’s stellar d

Dont need to ask TCU anything. Clemson's great offense didnt eat this defense alive. Nor did NC State. The only defense that killed SU's offense was ND. We all know that WV isnt ND or Clemson. Maybe not even NC State. The fourth QTR is ticking away and WV is still being dominated with just ONE TD all night. LOL

Five scores that go very differently with Grier.

You gave up 42 to western Michigan, 37 to UNC, 44 to Pitt, and 41 to NC State. You’ve got a good team but don’t pretend this is the 1985 Chicago Bears defense. Your team has some vulnerability in that side of the ball and WVU at full strength is more than a handful

WVU did well against everyone except one outstanding game plan at ISU. If cuse was anywhere near that solid the backups wouldn’t have five scoring possessions. Kudos on red zone D but it’s a different story with Grier. They’d have made it a very different game with a halfway decent QB much less Grier

I don’t think you’d win with Grier playing but congrats anyway. You can only play who’s on your schedule and available to play against

(12-28-2018 08:57 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:22 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:20 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:11 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  If Will Grier had played WVU would be stomping Syracuse based on what I’ve seen tonight

But if Syracuse had all 5 defensive starters who arent playing, including the second best DE in the ACC, WV would not not be doing as good as they are. As it is they only scored one TD and that was because of an Cuse INT at their own 10 yard line

An air raid replacing an early round QB and left tackle with spare parts would eat this D alive if they had their full strength or at least make it a comfortable win. Ask TCU’s stellar d

Dont need to ask TCU anything. Clemson's great offense didnt eat this defense alive. Nor did NC State. The only defense that killed SU's offense was ND. We all know that WV isnt ND or Clemson. Maybe not even NC State. The fourth QTR is ticking away and WV is still being dominated with just ONE TD all night. LOL

Five scores that go very differently with Grier.

You gave up 42 to western Michigan, 37 to UNC, 44 to Pitt, and 41 to NC State. You’ve got a good team but don’t pretend this is the 1985 Chicago Bears defense. Your team has some vulnerability in that side of the ball and WVU at full strength is more than a handful

WVU did well against everyone except one outstanding game plan at ISU. If cuse was anywhere near that solid the backups wouldn’t have five scoring possessions. Kudos on red zone D but it’s a different story with Grier. They’d have made it a very different game with a halfway decent QB much less Grier

I don’t think you’d win with Grier playing but congrats anyway. You can only play who’s on your schedule and available to play against

Grier is good but let's not pretend he's Joe Montana. He didn't face many good defenses in the Big 12.

Bottom line is Syracuse took control late and won.

(12-28-2018 08:57 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:22 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:20 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:11 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  If Will Grier had played WVU would be stomping Syracuse based on what I’ve seen tonight

But if Syracuse had all 5 defensive starters who arent playing, including the second best DE in the ACC, WV would not not be doing as good as they are. As it is they only scored one TD and that was because of an Cuse INT at their own 10 yard line

An air raid replacing an early round QB and left tackle with spare parts would eat this D alive if they had their full strength or at least make it a comfortable win. Ask TCU’s stellar d

Dont need to ask TCU anything. Clemson's great offense didnt eat this defense alive. Nor did NC State. The only defense that killed SU's offense was ND. We all know that WV isnt ND or Clemson. Maybe not even NC State. The fourth QTR is ticking away and WV is still being dominated with just ONE TD all night. LOL

Five scores that go very differently with Grier.

You gave up 42 to western Michigan, 37 to UNC, 44 to Pitt, and 41 to NC State. You’ve got a good team but don’t pretend this is the 1985 Chicago Bears defense. Your team has some vulnerability in that side of the ball and WVU at full strength is more than a handful

WVU did well against everyone except one outstanding game plan at ISU. If cuse was anywhere near that solid the backups wouldn’t have five scoring possessions. Kudos on red zone D but it’s a different story with Grier. They’d have made it a very different game with a halfway decent QB much less Grier

I don’t think you’d win with Grier playing but congrats anyway. You can only play who’s on your schedule and available to play against

All I gotta say to you is


SCOREBOARD!

(12-28-2018 09:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:57 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:22 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:20 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  But if Syracuse had all 5 defensive starters who arent playing, including the second best DE in the ACC, WV would not not be doing as good as they are. As it is they only scored one TD and that was because of an Cuse INT at their own 10 yard line

An air raid replacing an early round QB and left tackle with spare parts would eat this D alive if they had their full strength or at least make it a comfortable win. Ask TCU’s stellar d

Dont need to ask TCU anything. Clemson's great offense didnt eat this defense alive. Nor did NC State. The only defense that killed SU's offense was ND. We all know that WV isnt ND or Clemson. Maybe not even NC State. The fourth QTR is ticking away and WV is still being dominated with just ONE TD all night. LOL

Five scores that go very differently with Grier.

You gave up 42 to western Michigan, 37 to UNC, 44 to Pitt, and 41 to NC State. You’ve got a good team but don’t pretend this is the 1985 Chicago Bears defense. Your team has some vulnerability in that side of the ball and WVU at full strength is more than a handful

WVU did well against everyone except one outstanding game plan at ISU. If cuse was anywhere near that solid the backups wouldn’t have five scoring possessions. Kudos on red zone D but it’s a different story with Grier. They’d have made it a very different game with a halfway decent QB much less Grier

I don’t think you’d win with Grier playing but congrats anyway. You can only play who’s on your schedule and available to play against

Grier is good but let's not pretend he's Joe Montana. He didn't face many good defenses in the Big 12.

Bottom line is Syracuse took control late and won.

They got outgained and allowed five scores by a very pale shadow of who normally powers that offense. I’m skeptical they’d hold up Vs Grier

(12-28-2018 09:14 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:57 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:22 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:20 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  But if Syracuse had all 5 defensive starters who arent playing, including the second best DE in the ACC, WV would not not be doing as good as they are. As it is they only scored one TD and that was because of an Cuse INT at their own 10 yard line

An air raid replacing an early round QB and left tackle with spare parts would eat this D alive if they had their full strength or at least make it a comfortable win. Ask TCU’s stellar d

Dont need to ask TCU anything. Clemson's great offense didnt eat this defense alive. Nor did NC State. The only defense that killed SU's offense was ND. We all know that WV isnt ND or Clemson. Maybe not even NC State. The fourth QTR is ticking away and WV is still being dominated with just ONE TD all night. LOL

Five scores that go very differently with Grier.

You gave up 42 to western Michigan, 37 to UNC, 44 to Pitt, and 41 to NC State. You’ve got a good team but don’t pretend this is the 1985 Chicago Bears defense. Your team has some vulnerability in that side of the ball and WVU at full strength is more than a handful

WVU did well against everyone except one outstanding game plan at ISU. If cuse was anywhere near that solid the backups wouldn’t have five scoring possessions. Kudos on red zone D but it’s a different story with Grier. They’d have made it a very different game with a halfway decent QB much less Grier

I don’t think you’d win with Grier playing but congrats anyway. You can only play who’s on your schedule and available to play against

All I gotta say to you is


SCOREBOARD!

Enjoy the win! I’m not a Wv fan per se, I just think you guys caught a game defining break just like Utah did last year. Wv has a huuuuuuge dropoff after Grier

Dino Babers is a real solid coach. The ACC has a good cadre of under-the-radar heads like him, Dave Clawsen, Bronco Mendenhall, David Cutcliffe, and Dave Doeren, not to mention big time coaches like Dabo.

(12-28-2018 09:25 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 09:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:57 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:22 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  An air raid replacing an early round QB and left tackle with spare parts would eat this D alive if they had their full strength or at least make it a comfortable win. Ask TCU’s stellar d

Dont need to ask TCU anything. Clemson's great offense didnt eat this defense alive. Nor did NC State. The only defense that killed SU's offense was ND. We all know that WV isnt ND or Clemson. Maybe not even NC State. The fourth QTR is ticking away and WV is still being dominated with just ONE TD all night. LOL

Five scores that go very differently with Grier.

You gave up 42 to western Michigan, 37 to UNC, 44 to Pitt, and 41 to NC State. You’ve got a good team but don’t pretend this is the 1985 Chicago Bears defense. Your team has some vulnerability in that side of the ball and WVU at full strength is more than a handful

WVU did well against everyone except one outstanding game plan at ISU. If cuse was anywhere near that solid the backups wouldn’t have five scoring possessions. Kudos on red zone D but it’s a different story with Grier. They’d have made it a very different game with a halfway decent QB much less Grier

I don’t think you’d win with Grier playing but congrats anyway. You can only play who’s on your schedule and available to play against

Grier is good but let's not pretend he's Joe Montana. He didn't face many good defenses in the Big 12.

Bottom line is Syracuse took control late and won.

They got outgained and allowed five scores by a very pale shadow of who normally powers that offense. I’m skeptical they’d hold up Vs Grier

Don't disagree that it could have been a different game had Grier played. No doubt with Grier in they most likely would have taken much better advantage of an Orange team that was not only playing in its first bowl for this entire group of players, but also desperately wanting to reach 10 wins for the seniors and the coach. The nerves showed in the first half.

Syracuse made many mistakes and stupid penalties but they righted the ship in the second half and WVU folded like an accordion as the Orange pulled away comfortably. I honestly never got the feeling that WVU was really into this game, that somehow it was beneath them. Maybe if they had taken it more seriously perhaps they might have won. But at least in this century they lack heart when it comes to these "minor" bowls - unlike when they were in the Big East and had huge wins in the Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange.

So come up with all the excuses you need to for their losses against us and Utah last year. But since their Orange Bowl win in 2011 outside of a one point win over Arizona State in 2015 they have lost their other 5 bowls and four of those have been by more than 2 TDs and the other was by a TD (which if iirc, they scored a late TD in that game to prevent that game from being a more than 2 TD loss).

Cheers,
Neil

(12-28-2018 10:46 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 09:25 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 09:12 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:57 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(12-28-2018 08:41 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  Dont need to ask TCU anything. Clemson's great offense didnt eat this defense alive. Nor did NC State. The only defense that killed SU's offense was ND. We all know that WV isnt ND or Clemson. Maybe not even NC State. The fourth QTR is ticking away and WV is still being dominated with just ONE TD all night. LOL

Five scores that go very differently with Grier.

You gave up 42 to western Michigan, 37 to UNC, 44 to Pitt, and 41 to NC State. You’ve got a good team but don’t pretend this is the 1985 Chicago Bears defense. Your team has some vulnerability in that side of the ball and WVU at full strength is more than a handful

WVU did well against everyone except one outstanding game plan at ISU. If cuse was anywhere near that solid the backups wouldn’t have five scoring possessions. Kudos on red zone D but it’s a different story with Grier. They’d have made it a very different game with a halfway decent QB much less Grier

I don’t think you’d win with Grier playing but congrats anyway. You can only play who’s on your schedule and available to play against

Grier is good but let's not pretend he's Joe Montana. He didn't face many good defenses in the Big 12.

Bottom line is Syracuse took control late and won.

They got outgained and allowed five scores by a very pale shadow of who normally powers that offense. I’m skeptical they’d hold up Vs Grier

Don't disagree that it could have been a different game had Grier played. No doubt with Grier in they most likely would have taken much better advantage of an Orange team that was not only playing in its first bowl for this entire group of players, but also desperately wanting to reach 10 wins for the seniors and the coach. The nerves showed in the first half.

Syracuse made many mistakes and stupid penalties but they righted the ship in the second half and WVU folded like an accordion as the Orange pulled away comfortably. I honestly never got the feeling that WVU was really into this game, that somehow it was beneath them. Maybe if they had taken it more seriously perhaps they might have won. But at least in this century they lack heart when it comes to these "minor" bowls - unlike when they were in the Big East and had huge wins in the Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange.

So come up with all the excuses you need to for their losses against us and Utah last year. But since their Orange Bowl win in 2011 outside of a one point win over Arizona State in 2015 they have lost their other 5 bowls and four of those have been by more than 2 TDs and the other was by a TD (which if iirc, they scored a late TD in that game to prevent that game from being a more than 2 TD loss).

Cheers,
Neil

1- They folded as their O was sporadic at best with steep drop off. They held Cuse to a pedestrian 29ish Yards per Drive defenzivwly

2- In league play they stunk without Grier last year. So struggling against respectable Utah and Cuse defenses without a decent Qb available is expected.

3- Three of those bowls were missing their top QB.

So 2-2 when at full strength which isn’t great but far from the overall stat line got quote implies.

2017 and 2018 I’ve covered. 2014 they didnt have Clint Trickett who gave very good games into the 4th quarter vs TCU and Bama that year and upset our highly ranked squad.

Good luck to Cuse next year. Babers is a good coach who helped contribute to some winning Baylor squads

Good game with two former Big East rivals.

Not to take anything from Syracuse but West Virginia is very unpredictable. You never know which team will show up. Not having Grier was a factor but at the end of the day, the W is what matters and it was a good win for Syracuse and the ACC.

Good game ‘Cuse!!

(12-29-2018 12:28 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Good game with two former Big East rivals.

Not to take anything from Syracuse but West Virginia is very unpredictable. You never know which team will show up. Not having Grier was a factor but at the end of the day, the W is what matters and it was a good win for Syracuse and the ACC.

That's the way it has been under Holgorsen, since 2011.

(12-28-2018 09:36 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  Dino Babers is a real solid coach. The ACC has a good cadre of under-the-radar heads like him, Dave Clawsen, Bronco Mendenhall, David Cutcliffe, and Dave Doeren, not to mention big time coaches like Dabo.

Good observation.

(12-29-2018 07:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 12:28 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Good game with two former Big East rivals.

Not to take anything from Syracuse but West Virginia is very unpredictable. You never know which team will show up. Not having Grier was a factor but at the end of the day, the W is what matters and it was a good win for Syracuse and the ACC.

That's the way it has been under Holgorsen, since 2011.

Yeah, but that 2011 team was basically Stewart's and Mullen's team that Holgorsen just opened up slightly more with Air Raid. Since 2012 they really have been very much predictable and it no doubt hurt that they had to step up in weight class in the B12. THIS was their year to finally move up and it didn't work out for them. Sucks for them, but it was good for my Orange.

Cheers,
Neil

"What ifs" don't matter in the final analysis. Pre-game points are not awarded for injuries and early departures.

Syracuse comfortably won. Congratulations Syracuse.

Syracuse doesn't travel say the naysayers. Heck NCSt fans were telling us they would get the CW Bowl since we don't have a fan base. We are not BC. Syracuse is private University but we have fans up and down the east coast. We had 25K for a game 1200 miles away.

(12-29-2018 01:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Syracuse doesn't travel say the naysayers. Heck NCSt fans were telling us they would get the CW Bowl since we don't have a fan base. We are not BC. Syracuse is private University but we have fans up and down the east coast. We had 25K for a game 1200 miles away.

The SUNY system has multiple flagships and UB is the most prominent of all public universities in New York, but Syracuse has long struck me as the de facto flagship of the state in part due to it's major athletic program. Over time I suppose that adds up and you end up getting southern snowbird support south in addition to traveling fans who don't want to spend bowl season up north.

(12-29-2018 02:36 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(12-29-2018 01:01 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Syracuse doesn't travel say the naysayers. Heck NCSt fans were telling us they would get the CW Bowl since we don't have a fan base. We are not BC. Syracuse is private University but we have fans up and down the east coast. We had 25K for a game 1200 miles away.

The SUNY system has multiple flagships and UB is the most prominent of all public universities in New York, but Syracuse has long struck me as the de facto flagship of the state in part due to it's major athletic program. Over time I suppose that adds up and you end up getting snowbird support down south fan in addition to plenty of traveling fans who don't want to spend late December north.

Solid post...zactly