3-17 last 20 bowl games
6-14 20 games prior to that

The MAC is an unbelievably poor 9-31 in The last 40 bowl games. With that large of sample it can't be a fluke. The league has slipped.

MAC needs to spend more $ on football.

That is true. MAC doesn't spend as much on football as other G5 conferences.

(12-22-2018 11:40 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  3-17 last 20 bowl games
6-14 20 games prior to that

The MAC is an unbelievably poor 9-31 in The last 40 bowl games. With that large of sample it can't be a fluke. The league has slipped.

Counter point: bowl season is completely random and we shouldn't read into it. The MAC is a good conference. Over the last ten years we've produced some of the best individual teams in G5. (2016 WMU, 2012 NIU, etc...).

I am SHOCKED that the MAC has done so poorly in bowl games! There are 130 FBS football programs and almost half (64) of them reside in the Power 5 conferences where coaches make 7 figures and have facilities that embarrass the MAC. Like Steve pointed out, the remaining Group of Five schools, for the most part spend more than MAC schools also.

Thus I would have to assume that the originating post in this thread would be a cry for EMU and other MAC schools to "man up" and start spending real money to improve their programs.

Bye the way how successful are the other Group of 5 teams in their bowl games?

(12-23-2018 08:27 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  I am SHOCKED that the MAC has done so poorly in bowl games! There are 130 FBS football programs and almost half (64) of them reside in the Power 5 conferences where coaches make 7 figures and have facilities that embarrass the MAC. Like Steve pointed out, the remaining Group of Five schools, for the most part spend more than MAC schools also.

Thus I would have to assume that the originating post in this thread would be a cry for EMU and other MAC schools to "man up" and start spending real money to improve their programs.

Bye the way how successful are the other Group of 5 teams in their bowl games?

The Sun Belt is 24-16 over the last 40.
Conference USA 24-16
Mountain West 20-20
American Athletic 14-26

(12-23-2018 11:29 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 08:27 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  I am SHOCKED that the MAC has done so poorly in bowl games! There are 130 FBS football programs and almost half (64) of them reside in the Power 5 conferences where coaches make 7 figures and have facilities that embarrass the MAC. Like Steve pointed out, the remaining Group of Five schools, for the most part spend more than MAC schools also.

Thus I would have to assume that the originating post in this thread would be a cry for EMU and other MAC schools to "man up" and start spending real money to improve their programs.

Bye the way how successful are the other Group of 5 teams in their bowl games?

The Sun Belt is 24-16 over the last 40.
Conference USA 24-16
Mountain West 20-20
American Athletic 14-26

Average head coach salaries:

AAC 1,605,383 $
Mountain West 981,174
C-USA 766,871
Sun Belt 607,710
MAC 520,552

The American Athletic conference is not performing to expectations but that may be due to matchup issues as Houston, Cincinnati, UCF and USF have been ranked and often are playing against Power 5 bowl opponents. The Sun Belt conference is providing a tremendous bowl outcome value for their coaching buck. The MAC is obviously getting the results they are paying for. It is almost amazing that in the five year period 2012-2016, they placed two teams in the New Years day bowl as the top Group of Five team.

(12-23-2018 04:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  MAC needs to spend more $ on football.

That is true. MAC doesn't spend as much on football as other G5 conferences.

That's what basketball fans say about that sport too.

(12-24-2018 10:23 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 11:29 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 08:27 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  I am SHOCKED that the MAC has done so poorly in bowl games! There are 130 FBS football programs and almost half (64) of them reside in the Power 5 conferences where coaches make 7 figures and have facilities that embarrass the MAC. Like Steve pointed out, the remaining Group of Five schools, for the most part spend more than MAC schools also.

Thus I would have to assume that the originating post in this thread would be a cry for EMU and other MAC schools to "man up" and start spending real money to improve their programs.

Bye the way how successful are the other Group of 5 teams in their bowl games?

The Sun Belt is 24-16 over the last 40.
Conference USA 24-16
Mountain West 20-20
American Athletic 14-26

Average head coach salaries:

AAC 1,605,383 $
Mountain West 981,174
C-USA 766,871
Sun Belt 607,710
MAC 520,552

The American Athletic conference is not performing to expectations but that may be due to matchup issues as Houston, Cincinnati, UCF and USF have been ranked and often are playing against Power 5 bowl opponents. The Sun Belt conference is providing a tremendous bowl outcome value for their coaching buck. The MAC is obviously getting the results they are paying for. It is almost amazing that in the five year period 2012-2016, they placed two teams in the New Years day bowl as the top Group of Five team.

That isn't a big enough difference in salaries between the MAC, the Sun Belt and CUSA to explain much.

(12-25-2018 01:05 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-24-2018 10:23 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 11:29 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 08:27 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  I am SHOCKED that the MAC has done so poorly in bowl games! There are 130 FBS football programs and almost half (64) of them reside in the Power 5 conferences where coaches make 7 figures and have facilities that embarrass the MAC. Like Steve pointed out, the remaining Group of Five schools, for the most part spend more than MAC schools also.

Thus I would have to assume that the originating post in this thread would be a cry for EMU and other MAC schools to "man up" and start spending real money to improve their programs.

Bye the way how successful are the other Group of 5 teams in their bowl games?

The Sun Belt is 24-16 over the last 40.
Conference USA 24-16
Mountain West 20-20
American Athletic 14-26

Average head coach salaries:

AAC 1,605,383 $
Mountain West 981,174
C-USA 766,871
Sun Belt 607,710
MAC 520,552

The American Athletic conference is not performing to expectations but that may be due to matchup issues as Houston, Cincinnati, UCF and USF have been ranked and often are playing against Power 5 bowl opponents. The Sun Belt conference is providing a tremendous bowl outcome value for their coaching buck. The MAC is obviously getting the results they are paying for. It is almost amazing that in the five year period 2012-2016, they placed two teams in the New Years day bowl as the top Group of Five team.

That isn't a big enough difference in salaries between the MAC, the Sun Belt and CUSA to explain much.

On the face of it, I cannot disagree 007. A difference of 17% versus the Sun Belt and 47% versus CUSA with respect to head coach salaries appears somewhat innocuous. That salary, however, is reflective of the respective conference's total commitment to the sport. Hence the MAC is most likely spending commensurately less on staff salaries, recruiting travel, facilities, marketing, scheduling etc... We are, after all the league that sacrificed its actual game attendance for the ESPN MACTION paycheck. I live one mile from the University of Michigan stadium and have attended games there but I much prefer the experience of the games I have attended in Ypsilanti, Toledo, Kalamazoo and Mt. Pleasant. Good football games and talent (Rothliesberger, Hunt, Brown, etc...) with a whole lot less stress and yes, less money spent. There is no need to apologize for our bowl record.

This thread is wasted negativity and another thinly disguised football program attack lets take the needle off the record and move on

(12-26-2018 05:32 AM)emu79 Wrote:  This thread is wasted negativity and another thinly disguised football program attack lets take the needle off the record and move on

Agreed. He’s approaching Bob’s level of trolling. We need to stop feeding him.

Apparently having an honest discussion about our league's performance is taboo. The MAC plays a decent brand of football, but is still the weakest in FBS.

When Marshall was in the league was probably our most competitive era. Marshall was good and so were a few programs chasing them. We're not close to that now.

Paying our coaches more will not change things. The gap between us and P5 is too large to convince successful coaches to stay.

As for the Sun Belt success in bowl games, it is largely attributed to playing us so often. They're something like 13-7 against us over the last 40 bowl games.

(12-25-2018 08:51 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-25-2018 01:05 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(12-24-2018 10:23 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 11:29 PM)ljmhurons Wrote:  

(12-23-2018 08:27 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  I am SHOCKED that the MAC has done so poorly in bowl games! There are 130 FBS football programs and almost half (64) of them reside in the Power 5 conferences where coaches make 7 figures and have facilities that embarrass the MAC. Like Steve pointed out, the remaining Group of Five schools, for the most part spend more than MAC schools also.

Thus I would have to assume that the originating post in this thread would be a cry for EMU and other MAC schools to "man up" and start spending real money to improve their programs.

Bye the way how successful are the other Group of 5 teams in their bowl games?

The Sun Belt is 24-16 over the last 40.
Conference USA 24-16
Mountain West 20-20
American Athletic 14-26

Average head coach salaries:

AAC 1,605,383 $
Mountain West 981,174
C-USA 766,871
Sun Belt 607,710
MAC 520,552

The American Athletic conference is not performing to expectations but that may be due to matchup issues as Houston, Cincinnati, UCF and USF have been ranked and often are playing against Power 5 bowl opponents. The Sun Belt conference is providing a tremendous bowl outcome value for their coaching buck. The MAC is obviously getting the results they are paying for. It is almost amazing that in the five year period 2012-2016, they placed two teams in the New Years day bowl as the top Group of Five team.

That isn't a big enough difference in salaries between the MAC, the Sun Belt and CUSA to explain much.

On the face of it, I cannot disagree 007. A difference of 17% versus the Sun Belt and 47% versus CUSA with respect to head coach salaries appears somewhat innocuous. That salary, however, is reflective of the respective conference's total commitment to the sport. Hence the MAC is most likely spending commensurately less on staff salaries, recruiting travel, facilities, marketing, scheduling etc... We are, after all the league that sacrificed its actual game attendance for the ESPN MACTION paycheck. I live one mile from the University of Michigan stadium and have attended games there but I much prefer the experience of the games I have attended in Ypsilanti, Toledo, Kalamazoo and Mt. Pleasant. Good football games and talent (Rothliesberger, Hunt, Brown, etc...) with a whole lot less stress and yes, less money spent. There is no need to apologize for our bowl record.

Good points - especially about the MACtion fiasco. We get some money from that but not enough to make it worth it. I do think they need to consider the bowl record and what they are doing wrong so they can fix it.

(12-26-2018 08:09 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(12-26-2018 05:32 AM)emu79 Wrote:  This thread is wasted negativity and another thinly disguised football program attack lets take the needle off the record and move on

Agreed. He’s approaching Bob’s level of trolling. We need to stop feeding him.

My bad guys, I took the bait again.