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(12-22-2018 10:46 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 10:25 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Rare at his age, but looking at the replay and seeing minimal contact, without the usual visible signs of dislocation, my guess is a ruptured proximal biceps tendon.
I hope I am wrong, because that would put him out for the season.

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(12-22-2018 10:25 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Rare at his age, but looking at the replay and seeing minimal contact, without the usual visible signs of dislocation, my guess is a ruptured proximal biceps tendon.
I hope I am wrong, because that would put him out for the season.

As a PT, you clearly have very little basis for commenting on these issues.
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(12-22-2018 11:17 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 10:25 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Rare at his age, but looking at the replay and seeing minimal contact, without the usual visible signs of dislocation, my guess is a ruptured proximal biceps tendon.
I hope I am wrong, because that would put him out for the season.

As a PT, you clearly have very little basis for commenting on these issues.


1. RBT is an injury that is particularly common in basketball and tennis
https://www.dovemed.com/diseases-conditi...-shoulder/
If you are a PT then you should know this.

2. I have had the injury myself. When I had to make the decision on whether or not to have reattachment surgery, I did a lot of research
and spent a lot of time talking to the orthopedist. Most people do in that situation.
If you are a PT then you should know this.

3. Others on here have opined pinched nerve, dislocated shoulder, shoulder bruise.
Why are you singling me out?
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(12-22-2018 11:20 PM)Petey Hodge Wrote:  I’m a coach

It was a reasonable time to state credentials. Don't force it.
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(12-22-2018 11:21 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  1. RBT is an injury that is particularly common in basketball and tennis
https://www.dovemed.com/diseases-conditi...-shoulder/
If you are a PT then you should know this.

2. I have had the injury myself. When I had to make the decision on whether or not to have reattachment surgery, I did a lot of research
and spent a lot of time talking to the orthopedist. Most people do in that situation.
If you are a PT then you should know this.

3. Others on here have opined pinched nerve, dislocated shoulder, shoulder bruise.
Why are you singling me out?

Because your's is the only one that's clearly unreasonable. If the training staff is doing their job, he doesn't reenter the game with significant connective tissue injury like a rupture or significant sprain. If you rupture a tendon as important and the bicep there is gonna be immediate strength loss and that's a massive red flag. The fact he reenters makes you think its a muscle strain. Pinched never is plausible but odd. Minor sprain plausible too but less likely they'd push the issue against Morgan State. This is all contingent on training staff doing their job, which I'm sure they did.
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(12-22-2018 11:30 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 11:21 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  1. RBT is an injury that is particularly common in basketball and tennis
https://www.dovemed.com/diseases-conditi...-shoulder/
If you are a PT then you should know this.

2. I have had the injury myself. When I had to make the decision on whether or not to have reattachment surgery, I did a lot of research
and spent a lot of time talking to the orthopedist. Most people do in that situation.
If you are a PT then you should know this.

3. Others on here have opined pinched nerve, dislocated shoulder, shoulder bruise.
Why are you singling me out?

Because your's is the only one that's clearly unreasonable. If the training staff is doing their job, he doesn't reenter the game with significant connective tissue injury like a rupture or significant sprain. If you rupture a tendon as important and the bicep there is gonna be immediate strength loss and that's a massive red flag. The fact he reenters makes you think its a muscle strain. Pinched never is plausible but odd. Minor sprain plausible too but less likely they'd push the issue against Morgan State. This is all contingent on training staff doing their job, which I'm sure they did.

From looking at the replay the immediate loss of strength appears to be exactly what happened. That appeared to be the case when he reentered as well.

I reentered the game I was playing too. It wasn't until a couple of days later that the pain got worse, the bruising appeared, and I could no longer throw or swing the bat at all.

The fact is that no trainer, or even a doctor, can make an RPT diagnosis w/o an X-ray or and MRI.

Like I said it was a guess, like everyone else's on here.
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(12-22-2018 11:39 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  From looking at the replay the immediate loss of strength appears to be exactly what happened. That appeared to be the case when he reentered as well.

I reentered the game I was playing too.

The fact is that no trainer, or even a doctor, can make an RPT diagnosis w/o an X-ray or and MRI.

Like I said it was a guess, like everyone else's on here.

Where is a replay?
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(12-22-2018 11:40 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 11:39 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  From looking at the replay the immediate loss of strength appears to be exactly what happened. That appeared to be the case when he reentered as well.

I reentered the game I was playing too. It wasn't until a couple of days later that the pain got worse, the bruising appeared, and I could no longer throw or swing the bat at all.

The fact is that no trainer, or even a doctor, can make an RPT diagnosis w/o an X-ray or and MRI.

Like I said it was a guess, like everyone else's on here.

Where is a replay?

I was recording it ran it back at the time from CUSA TV . I don't know where on the net it might be now.

I guess we will see, but a proximal tear or rupture does not incapacitate you. There are two tendons, and the short one is still fully functional. You lose a noticable amount of strength at the time, but, at least in my case, if you can handle the pain you can still play. I was still able to hit enough to get over the infield by using my body more and keeping my elbow in. Throwing was more problematic but again I could compensate by keeping my elbow in and using my whole body more.
In BJ's case, I remember it to be his left shoulder so he might have felt even more like he could play through it.

Having had the injury it looked familiar to me.
You may be a PT, but from your comments, you have never had the injury, and likely any client you have had that did, had already had reattachment surgery, or someone that elected not to, both of whom the orthopedic surgeon prescribed PT after some period of healing.

Additionally, you stated that my guess was the only one clearly unreasonable. I submit that the suggestions of shoulder dislocation are far more unreasonable, in that a dislocation may also concurrently damage tendons, ligaments, and/or muscle tissue, so "popping it back in" and sending a player back in is potentially very dangerous.
Curiously, a fully ruptured biceps tendon is not going to get worse as there is little more damage that could be done. A non fully detached tear is more problematic , but only to the point of full rupture.

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For the first time ever 78, I sure hope you are wrong. I pretty sure we can’t win CUSA without Stith’s play.
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Saw this in the Pilot, hope they are right!

Stith downplayed the seriousness of his injury after the game, saying he’ll be fine. Jones said immediately after that he had not yet spoke to athletic trainer Jason Mitchell to get a diagnosis.

“I would probably say it’s fortuitous that if he was going to be injured, that it’s at this time when we’ve got some days off,” Jones said. “Hopefully he can heal and rehab that thing and be ready sometime prior to Marshall.”
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(12-23-2018 08:17 AM)mac Wrote:  For the first time ever 78, I sure hope you are wrong. I pretty sure we can’t win CUSA without Stith’s play.

I do too.
The overwhelming likelyhood is that I am wrong.
Mine was just one of many pure guesses, not intended to be a diagnosis, just another guess.

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I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. He'll be ready for Marshall.
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Just when I think our fans have run out of things to argue about, injury diagnoses step up. Well done.
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^^ HAHAHA
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(12-23-2018 10:15 AM)ODU Hoops Wrote:  Just when I think our fans have run out of things to argue about, injury diagnoses step up. Well done.

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(12-23-2018 09:17 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-23-2018 08:17 AM)mac Wrote:  For the first time ever 78, I sure hope you are wrong. I pretty sure we can’t win CUSA without Stith’s play.

I do too.
The overwhelming likelyhood is that I am wrong.
Mine was just one of many pure guesses, not intended to be a diagnosis, just another guess.

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Hey doc do ya think you can diagnosis TH elbow for us!?! 05-stirthepot
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(12-23-2018 02:35 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(12-23-2018 09:17 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-23-2018 08:17 AM)mac Wrote:  For the first time ever 78, I sure hope you are wrong. I pretty sure we can’t win CUSA without Stith’s play.

I do too.
The overwhelming likelyhood is that I am wrong.
Mine was just one of many pure guesses, not intended to be a diagnosis, just another guess.

04-cheers

Hey doc do ya think you can diagnosis TH elbow for us!?! 05-stirthepot

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(12-23-2018 02:35 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(12-23-2018 09:17 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-23-2018 08:17 AM)mac Wrote:  For the first time ever 78, I sure hope you are wrong. I pretty sure we can’t win CUSA without Stith’s play.

I do too.
The overwhelming likelyhood is that I am wrong.
Mine was just one of many pure guesses, not intended to be a diagnosis, just another guess.

04-cheers

Hey doc do ya think you can diagnosis TH elbow for us!?! 05-stirthepot

DocAlum78,
I took some pill and have had a stiffy for more than 4 hours. Is that a problem? What should I do?
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(12-23-2018 07:33 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  
(12-23-2018 02:35 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(12-23-2018 09:17 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-23-2018 08:17 AM)mac Wrote:  For the first time ever 78, I sure hope you are wrong. I pretty sure we can’t win CUSA without Stith’s play.

I do too.
The overwhelming likelyhood is that I am wrong.
Mine was just one of many pure guesses, not intended to be a diagnosis, just another guess.

04-cheers

Hey doc do ya think you can diagnosis TH elbow for us!?! 05-stirthepot

DocAlum78,
I took some pill and have had a stiffy for more than 4 hours. Is that a problem? What should I do?

Stay very clear of the VCU campus.
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