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RE: Official Game Thread: Norfolk State
(12-29-2018 08:10 AM)Efan Wrote:  This is marketing, and the same as a restaurant making their food look perfect for a commercial. They don’t show customers up at the counter complaining because their order wasn’t right. It’s gone on for centuries in other industries, and sports realized they had a product to sell too, hence the marketing.

If sports had not become a business, you wouldn’t see this, but here we are.

And *some* "marketing" has become a great evil in this country. The laws against false advertising didn't come about for no reason. Would you rather we go back 100-140 years to the time of caveat emptor?

Indeed, "Sports" has become a business, and thus there are "Sports Marketing" majors in colleges, including ETSU. But I'll continue to argue that any event that draws thousands (or hundreds) of people, either as spectators and/or participants, is also "news", and should be reported first and foremost as such. Just because one has "a product to sell" doesn't give license to just sell it however one can conjure up a way to do so, without consequence, or regard to factuality. I'm not saying "sports marketing" is inherently evil, but one doesn't have to go far down that road, apparently, to find it.

A world in which ETSU's players have names, but their opponents don't, or a world in which ETSU finishes 9th in a golf tournament nobody won, is a world gone off the pathway of honesty, imo.
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RE: Official Game Thread: Norfolk State
You are basing your argument on a false premise, ETSU is not in the business of reporting news, they are in the business of promoting ETSU and reporting ETSU accomplishments.
If Jermory is the 3rd best rebounder in the country ETSU is going to talk about THAT not whoever number 1 or 2 is, ETSU fans don't care if they do they can easily find that information elsewhere.
They are supposed to be marketing ETSU, not reporting the news. It is debatable whether those events are newsworthy but if they are it isn't ETSU responsibility (or self-interest) to treat them as such.

I have agreed to some degree with you about this in the past. It is silly to not name players on other teams, but I have rarely if ever seen that happen. You are casting to wide a net, trying to hold ETSU to a
standard that don't need and shouldn't try to meet.

Agree to disagree.
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12-29-2018 12:27 PM
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RE: Official Game Thread: Norfolk State
(12-29-2018 12:27 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  Agree to disagree.

Fair enough.
But I would say that ETSU's prime directive, as set by the state when it was established in 1911, is to educate. Educate means providing information, and hopefully contributing to a student's ability to inculcate that information into their world view, and thus broaden and enrich it.
While ETSU is not "in the business" of reporting the news, they *are* in the business of spreading correct information - be it history, science, whatever. "Sports marketing", as practiced by Mike White and Co., does at least a partial disservice to the accurate spread of information.

If 6,000 folks cram Freedom Hall for a hoops game, or 10-12,000 fill the football stadium or the Dome for games, that's news. I just don't think that can be argued. And yes, the local (and national, as warranted) print and broadcast media treat it as such - more or less. To the extent that the ETSU SID works against that, it's just wrong.

There's nothing improper about promoting ETSU, or ETSU's students' or facultys' achievements - but it'd just be a lot more 'honest' if it was contextualized more properly.
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RE: Official Game Thread: Norfolk State
(12-29-2018 12:27 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  It is silly to not name players on other teams, but I have rarely if ever seen that happen.

I'm not sure what you mean there. Do you mean that that is *not* normally the case? If that is your meaning, then go back over the last 5 years or so, and read any ETSU release about virtually any women's basketball or volleyball game, and in most cases, soccer or softball. I've pointed that out multiple times before. About the only sport in which the opponents' names are mentioned, with any decent regularity, is men's basketball.

Ok...…...I just went, and purely and totally at random, went to this article - the very first one I found:

ETSU's players vs. UTC's non-entities

Again, totally at random:

ETSU's players vs. UNCG's non-entities

Same for softball:

ETSU's players vs. UTC's non-entities

[edit: I do see one Chatt player is mentioned in that softball article, so I'll add in another, totally at random, example, this one soccer:

ETSU players vs. Mercer's non-entities]

I'll leave it at that. You get the picture. In fact, when I've looked at women's basketball releases in the past, *almost never* is a player on another team mentioned. That, to me, is just flat-out disrespectful. "Silly" is accurate, too, but "disrespectful" is a better descriptor.
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RE: Official Game Thread: Norfolk State
(12-29-2018 12:56 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(12-29-2018 12:27 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  Agree to disagree.

Fair enough.
But I would say that ETSU's prime directive, as set by the state when it was established in 1911, is to educate. Educate means providing information, and hopefully contributing to a student's ability to inculcate that information into their world view, and thus broaden and enrich it.
While ETSU is not "in the business" of reporting the news, they *are* in the business of spreading correct information - be it history, science, whatever. "Sports marketing", as practiced by Mike White and Co., does at least a partial disservice to the accurate spread of information.

If 6,000 folks cram Freedom Hall for a hoops game, or 10-12,000 fill the football stadium or the Dome for games, that's news. I just don't think that can be argued. And yes, the local (and national, as warranted) print and broadcast media treat it as such - more or less. To the extent that the ETSU SID works against that, it's just wrong.

There's nothing improper about promoting ETSU, or ETSU's students' or facultys' achievements - but it'd just be a lot more 'honest' if it was contextualized more properly.

Say fair enough, >add several paragraphs anyway. I only read the first sentence, that was enough and the answer is NO.
You continue to make your points, I am going to bang my head against the wall, I feel that would be a more constructive use of my time and probably produce the same result as continuing this conversation a headache.
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RE: Official Game Thread: Norfolk State
(12-29-2018 12:56 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(12-29-2018 12:27 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  Agree to disagree.

Fair enough.
But I would say that ETSU's prime directive, as set by the state when it was established in 1911, is to educate. Educate means providing information, and hopefully contributing to a student's ability to inculcate that information into their world view, and thus broaden and enrich it.
While ETSU is not "in the business" of reporting the news, they *are* in the business of spreading correct information - be it history, science, whatever. "Sports marketing", as practiced by Mike White and Co., does at least a partial disservice to the accurate spread of information.

If 6,000 folks cram Freedom Hall for a hoops game, or 10-12,000 fill the football stadium or the Dome for games, that's news. I just don't think that can be argued. And yes, the local (and national, as warranted) print and broadcast media treat it as such - more or less. To the extent that the ETSU SID works against that, it's just wrong.

There's nothing improper about promoting ETSU, or ETSU's students' or facultys' achievements - but it'd just be a lot more 'honest' if it was contextualized more properly.
Mike White is gone now just fyi.
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(12-29-2018 10:11 PM)BucsFan Wrote:  Mike White is gone now just fyi.

Yes, we know that. I'm trying to set the tone for whoever comes in, or is elevated. As if..........
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