(03-09-2024 05:55 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 04:13 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  At the end of the day, what i believe doesn't matter.

On this, we can all agree.

According to this prospectus by our highly lauded Sports Information Department, Penny’s record after 2022-23 was 110-52.

https://gotigersgo.com/documents/2024/1/..._Facts.pdf

If that number is correct, and you’re now saying we are 19-9 for the year, then his wins would be 129-61. But you are reporting 130-63. Where did the extra win come from? And the two extra losses? Are you wrong, are they wrong, or are you both wrong?

Are you counting an exhibition game or something?

hmmm then 129-61 so let's drop him to .675

But i chose not to penalize him and remove his win against UIC that we had to forfeit due to playing Wiseman.

He was official coach of record for that game so he retains credit for the win.

and no where have i posted 63 losses.

(03-09-2024 06:27 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 05:55 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 04:13 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  At the end of the day, what i believe doesn't matter.

On this, we can all agree.

According to this prospectus by our highly lauded Sports Information Department, Penny’s record after 2022-23 was 110-52.

https://gotigersgo.com/documents/2024/1/..._Facts.pdf

If that number is correct, and you’re now saying we are 19-9 for the year, then his wins would be 129-61. But you are reporting 130-63. Where did the extra win come from? And the two extra losses? Are you wrong, are they wrong, or are you both wrong?

Are you counting an exhibition game or something?

hmmm then 129-61 so let's drop him to .675

and no where have i posted 63 losses.

But you said what you think doesn’t matter, and you’re only using the flawed numbers from the SID. So now you’re not using the numbers the SID is putting out this year? Can we trust that either is correct, when their math is wrong? What are the official numbers when the official number people are wrong?

Ugh… Just use the NCAA’s official stats, since apparently the UofM can’t be counted on to do math. They have Stansbury set at 3-0, so you need to include him at the top of your list if you are listing coaches.

https://stats.ncaa.org/people/2014746

Currently 129-61 after 19-9 this year (0.679)

Here are Stansbury’s stats, although you should only include the Memphis games:

https://stats.ncaa.org/people/3140

(03-09-2024 07:01 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  Ugh… Just use the NCAA’s official stats, since apparently the UofM can’t be counted on to do math. They have Stansbury set at 3-0, so you need to include him at the top of your list if you are listing coaches.

https://stats.ncaa.org/people/2014746

Currently 129-61 after 19-9 this year (0.679)

Here are Stansbury’s stats, although you should only include the Memphis games:

https://stats.ncaa.org/people/3140

If at the end of the year Stansbury retains the wins then he will get credited for his 3 wins but as an assistant.

As Penny was still officially the head coach.

He was just not eligible for credit for those three game.

Stansbury could be considered "interim" as he took over while Penny was suspended.

But Penny was still officially the head coach.

Which is different from the interim label on Johnny Jones as Tic Price was no longer the coach.

Jones was officially listed as head coach.


Seems that some of you want a fluid rules package that can be changed if need be to benefit their guy.

(03-09-2024 07:30 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 07:01 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  Ugh… Just use the NCAA’s official stats, since apparently the UofM can’t be counted on to do math. They have Stansbury set at 3-0, so you need to include him at the top of your list if you are listing coaches.

https://stats.ncaa.org/people/2014746

Currently 129-61 after 19-9 this year (0.679)

Here are Stansbury’s stats, although you should only include the Memphis games:

https://stats.ncaa.org/people/3140

If at the end of the year Stansbury retains the wins then he will get credited for his 3 wins but as an assistant.

As Penny was still officially the head coach.

He was just not eligible for credit for those three game.

Stansbury could be considered "interim" as he took over while Penny was suspended.

But Penny was still officially the head coach.

Which is different from the interim label on Johnny Jones as Tic Price was no longer the coach.

Jones was officially listed as head coach.


Seems that some of you want a fluid rules package that can be changed if need be to benefit their guy.

Take a look at the Head Coach column.

https://stats.ncaa.org/teams/history/MBB/404

Last 10 Tigers MBB Coaches Stats
(per official NCAA Statistics at https://stats.ncaa.org/teams/history/MBB/404)

2023-24 Record: 19-9

Stansbury 1.000 (3-0)
Calipari .759 (215-68)
Kirk .738 (149-53)
Pastner .696 (167-73)
Hardaway .679 (129-61)
Yates .655 (93-49)
Finch .629 (220-130)
Smith .606 (40-26)
Price .526 (30-27)
Jones .484 (15-16)

Your numbers were incorrect per the official NCAA statistics for Cailpari, Kirk, Hardaway, Price, Jones, and Finch, so I corrected those. For some reason you got Pastner's stats right. I dropped Bartow because he is no longer in the last 10 coaches with Stansbury on the list.

I think the one game discrepancy in what Memphis is reporting is the Vacated 1 win per the IARP on 9/27/2022. The stats I posted include the NCAA's official stats for each coach, including the Calipari and Kirk vacated wins.

(03-09-2024 07:42 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 07:30 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 07:01 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  Ugh… Just use the NCAA’s official stats, since apparently the UofM can’t be counted on to do math. They have Stansbury set at 3-0, so you need to include him at the top of your list if you are listing coaches.

https://stats.ncaa.org/people/2014746

Currently 129-61 after 19-9 this year (0.679)

Here are Stansbury’s stats, although you should only include the Memphis games:

https://stats.ncaa.org/people/3140

If at the end of the year Stansbury retains the wins then he will get credited for his 3 wins but as an assistant.

As Penny was still officially the head coach.

He was just not eligible for credit for those three game.

Stansbury could be considered "interim" as he took over while Penny was suspended.

But Penny was still officially the head coach.

Which is different from the interim label on Johnny Jones as Tic Price was no longer the coach.

Jones was officially listed as head coach.


Seems that some of you want a fluid rules package that can be changed if need be to benefit their guy.

Take a look at the Head Coach column.

https://stats.ncaa.org/teams/history/MBB/404

For those that didn't click the link it shows the team's record as 22-9 but Penny's as 19-9.

But to pacify the whiners let's include Stansbury.

Penny is still 19-9 this season and still 130-61 for his career.

All this does is removes Wayne Yates from the last 10 coaches and drops Penny from 5th to 6th on the list.

PENNY HAS DROPPED DOWN ONE SPOT ON THE LAST TEN COACHES LIST.

As the old saying goes, be careful what you ask for, you may get it.

2023-24 ..

Penny 19-9***
Stansbury 3-0

career 130-61 ***

Stansbury 1.000
Calipari .785
Kirk .731
Bartow .721
Pastner .696
Hardaway .681
Finch .628
Smith .606
Price .545
Jones .483

(03-09-2024 08:15 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 07:42 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 07:30 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 07:01 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  Ugh… Just use the NCAA’s official stats, since apparently the UofM can’t be counted on to do math. They have Stansbury set at 3-0, so you need to include him at the top of your list if you are listing coaches.

https://stats.ncaa.org/people/2014746

Currently 129-61 after 19-9 this year (0.679)

Here are Stansbury’s stats, although you should only include the Memphis games:

https://stats.ncaa.org/people/3140

If at the end of the year Stansbury retains the wins then he will get credited for his 3 wins but as an assistant.

As Penny was still officially the head coach.

He was just not eligible for credit for those three game.

Stansbury could be considered "interim" as he took over while Penny was suspended.

But Penny was still officially the head coach.

Which is different from the interim label on Johnny Jones as Tic Price was no longer the coach.

Jones was officially listed as head coach.


Seems that some of you want a fluid rules package that can be changed if need be to benefit their guy.

Take a look at the Head Coach column.

https://stats.ncaa.org/teams/history/MBB/404

For those that didn't click the link it shows the team's record as 22-9 but Penny's as 19-9.

But to pacify the whiners let's include Stansbury.

Penny is still 19-9 this season and still 130-61 for his career.

All this does is removes Wayne Yates from the last 10 coaches and drops Penny from 5th to 6th on the list.

PENNY HAS DROPPED DOWN ONE SPOT ON THE LAST TEN COACHES LIST.

As the old saying goes, be careful what you ask for, you may get it.

2023-24 ..

Penny 19-9***
Stansbury 3-0

career 130-61 ***

Stansbury 1.000
Calipari .785
Kirk .731
Bartow .721
Pastner .696
Hardaway .681
Finch .628
Smith .606
Price .545
Jones .483

Your figures are still wrong, per the NCAA numbers. I looked each coach up and corrected the winning percentages.

Also, Bartow was the 11th coach, not Yates.

Either use the correct NCAA stats for all coaches or close the thread. Don’t use the real stats for some of them, then make up the rest.

(03-09-2024 08:20 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 08:15 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 07:42 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 07:30 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-09-2024 07:01 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  Ugh… Just use the NCAA’s official stats, since apparently the UofM can’t be counted on to do math. They have Stansbury set at 3-0, so you need to include him at the top of your list if you are listing coaches.

https://stats.ncaa.org/people/2014746

Currently 129-61 after 19-9 this year (0.679)

Here are Stansbury’s stats, although you should only include the Memphis games:

https://stats.ncaa.org/people/3140

If at the end of the year Stansbury retains the wins then he will get credited for his 3 wins but as an assistant.

As Penny was still officially the head coach.

He was just not eligible for credit for those three game.

Stansbury could be considered "interim" as he took over while Penny was suspended.

But Penny was still officially the head coach.

Which is different from the interim label on Johnny Jones as Tic Price was no longer the coach.

Jones was officially listed as head coach.


Seems that some of you want a fluid rules package that can be changed if need be to benefit their guy.

Take a look at the Head Coach column.

https://stats.ncaa.org/teams/history/MBB/404

For those that didn't click the link it shows the team's record as 22-9 but Penny's as 19-9.

But to pacify the whiners let's include Stansbury.

Penny is still 19-9 this season and still 130-61 for his career.

All this does is removes Wayne Yates from the last 10 coaches and drops Penny from 5th to 6th on the list.

PENNY HAS DROPPED DOWN ONE SPOT ON THE LAST TEN COACHES LIST.

As the old saying goes, be careful what you ask for, you may get it.

2023-24 ..

Penny 19-9***
Stansbury 3-0

career 130-61 ***

Stansbury 1.000
Calipari .785
Kirk .731
Bartow .721
Pastner .696
Hardaway .681
Finch .628
Smith .606
Price .545
Jones .483

Your figures are still wrong, per the NCAA numbers. I looked each coach up and corrected the winning percentages.

Also, Bartow was the 11th coach, not Yates.

Either use the correct NCAA stats for all coaches or close the thread. Don’t use the real stats for some of them, then make up the rest.

As i said, you want a fluid set of rules that change depending on who it is.

I did not exclude Penny's forfeited win for using ineligible player against UIC, so i don't exclude forfeited wins for ALL coaches.

As long as they are the official coach of record for the game it is included.

The requirements for ALL coaches are the same and haven't changed from day 1.




I do however acknowledge my mistake as it would be Bartow and not Yates eliminated from last ten.

Thusly after his 6th season Penny is still only 5th among last 10 coaches.

So all your obsession, whining and paranoia hasn't changed a thing.

Whatever dude. You’re making an exception to very clearly posted official stats. If you want an official thread, use official stats. Don’t tweak the official stats to meet your definition of win/loss.

(03-09-2024 09:20 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  Whatever dude. You’re making an exception to very clearly posted official stats. If you want an official thread, use official stats. Don’t tweak the official stats to meet your definition of win/loss.

For the record i have Tiger Coaches threads in the following.

Football
MBB
WBB
BB
SB
MSOC
WSOC

I set the criteria upfront same rules for every coach in every sport.

It is very simple

IF YOU ARE THE OFFICIAL COACH OF RECORD THEN THE ON FIELD/COURT RESULTS ARE COUNTED.

This criteria has never changed.

No one challenged this criteria for 6 years.

Until the three game suspension and the NCAA rule that prohibited Penny from being the official coach of record.

So you and others such as yourself want to change the criteria.

You obsess with trying to change the rules.

I seriously doubt you have even clicked on all of the threads, much less spend hours obsessing over the data.

You truly need psychological counseling.

I’ve commented on several of them, and look at them all. I even made the suggestion that you tell us who won the game when you post so we didn’t have to do the math.

Until today, I mistakenly thought you were using official stats instead of the ones you made up. Have fun with your made-up stats threads.

2023-24 ..19-10***

career 130-62 ***

Calipari .785
Kirk .731
Bartow .721
Pastner .696
Hardaway .677
Yates .654
Finch .628
Smith .606
Price .545
Jones .483

but only one was dumb enough to claim he wanted All The Smoke!