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RE: Carey Contract Extended Again?
(12-20-2018 08:20 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 06:36 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 05:21 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  Carey”s record in 2012-2014 with mostly Kill and Doeren’s recruoits:

23-6

Carey’s record in 2015-2018 with mostly his recruits:

29-24

Huskiebob, I'm surprised to hear you weigh in on this.

Love this quote from the daily Chronicle:
Quote:“I think this – it’s a lot harder to get to a bowl than it is to win one.”

There's 80 teams that go bowling and he thinks it's hard to get in one. All you have to do is go 6-6 to be eligible.

I just think that when Carey’s overall record is mentioned as a reason to extend him, it’s only fair to point out he was handed the keys to a Ferarri.

WTF is a Ferarri?
12-20-2018 08:23 PM
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RE: Carey Contract Extended Again?
(12-20-2018 08:20 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 06:36 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 05:21 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  Carey”s record in 2012-2014 with mostly Kill and Doeren’s recruoits:

23-6

Carey’s record in 2015-2018 with mostly his recruits:

29-24

Huskiebob, I'm surprised to hear you weigh in on this.

Love this quote from the daily Chronicle:
Quote:“I think this – it’s a lot harder to get to a bowl than it is to win one.”

There's 80 teams that go bowling and he thinks it's hard to get in one. All you have to do is go 6-6 to be eligible.

I just think that when Carey’s overall record is mentioned as a reason to extend him, it’s only fair to point out he was handed the keys to a Ferarri.

That’s been traded in for a Kia now
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It just blows my mind that this was earned by only getting to the MACC. No need to win the game.
12-20-2018 10:58 PM
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RE: Carey Contract Extended Again?
(12-20-2018 10:58 PM)HuskiemobileMan Wrote:  It just blows my mind that this was earned by only getting to the MACC. No need to win the game.

Oh my goodness. I am just floored that we are stuck with this clown show for another FIVE years.
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RE: Carey Contract Extended Again?
(12-20-2018 11:24 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 10:58 PM)HuskiemobileMan Wrote:  It just blows my mind that this was earned by only getting to the MACC. No need to win the game.

Oh my goodness. I am just floored that we are stuck with this clown show for another FIVE years.

Wouldn’t it be four seasons / 4-1/2 years since I thought the contract ends mid-year / June 30 which seems to be a strange time to end in the middle of the offseason.
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(12-20-2018 10:58 PM)HuskiemobileMan Wrote:  It just blows my mind that this was earned by only getting to the MACC. No need to win the game.

Wow I didn't catch that at first. Also in the article, getting to a bowl game is counted as an achievement even though more than half the teams get to one. That's sad.
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(12-20-2018 05:21 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  Carey”s record in 2012-2014 with mostly Kill and Doeren’s recruoits:

23-6

Carey’s record in 2015-2018 with mostly his recruits:

29-24

Yep, and you have to keep pointing that out since they keep mentioning his overall record as a selling point.
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The text in the press release was really interesting.

We went from last month not announcing extensions, to this month, announcing it and explaining EXACTLY why it happened.

When I read that, to me, Frazier is trying to say he doesn't have a choice, that this happens automatically when that goal is met. His words try to create separation between himself and the extension.
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Who agreed to that then?
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Ken Chessick has made comments on Facebook that clearly support Carey. There is one of our largest donors openly supporting Carey. I would imagine he isn’t alone among other big time donors if Carey keeps getting extended. It would seem unlikely Frazier makes decisions on extensions on his own, big time donors conceivably run the show behind the scenes.
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RE: Carey Contract Extended Again?
(12-21-2018 08:03 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 05:21 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  Carey”s record in 2012-2014 with mostly Kill and Doeren’s recruoits:

23-6

Carey’s record in 2015-2018 with mostly his recruits:

29-24

Yep, and you have to keep pointing that out since they keep mentioning his overall record as a selling point.

I'd love to see the record vs winning teams
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(12-21-2018 11:51 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 08:03 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 05:21 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  Carey”s record in 2012-2014 with mostly Kill and Doeren’s recruoits:

23-6

Carey’s record in 2015-2018 with mostly his recruits:

29-24

Yep, and you have to keep pointing that out since they keep mentioning his overall record as a selling point.

I'd love to see the record vs winning teams

5 wins this year alone ... EMU, Ohio, Turd, BYU, Buffalo
But not good in previous years

Not sure Doreen or Kill were any better, our schedule was one of the weakest in FBS around the Orange Bowl year.
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RE: Carey Contract Extended Again?
(12-22-2018 12:04 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 11:51 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 08:03 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 05:21 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  Carey”s record in 2012-2014 with mostly Kill and Doeren’s recruoits:

23-6

Carey’s record in 2015-2018 with mostly his recruits:

29-24

Yep, and you have to keep pointing that out since they keep mentioning his overall record as a selling point.

I'd love to see the record vs winning teams

5 wins this year alone ... EMU, Ohio, Turd, BYU, Buffalo
But not good in previous years

Not sure Doreen or Kill were any better, our schedule was one of the weakest in FBS around the Orange Bowl year.

I really miss Doeren, you knew at least going into a game coaching was not going to cost you the game. Amazing what that can do for the morale of a team
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RE: Carey Contract Extended Again?
(12-22-2018 01:00 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 12:04 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 11:51 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 08:03 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 05:21 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  Carey”s record in 2012-2014 with mostly Kill and Doeren’s recruoits:

23-6

Carey’s record in 2015-2018 with mostly his recruits:

29-24

Yep, and you have to keep pointing that out since they keep mentioning his overall record as a selling point.

I'd love to see the record vs winning teams

5 wins this year alone ... EMU, Ohio, Turd, BYU, Buffalo
But not good in previous years

Not sure Doreen or Kill were any better, our schedule was one of the weakest in FBS around the Orange Bowl year.

I really miss Doeren, you knew at least going into a game coaching was not going to cost you the game. Amazing what that can do for the morale of a team

I can assure you that the morale of this team is fine. It’s actually great. You have zero basis to support that blanket statement and just spew nothing but BS to support your agenda.
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(12-22-2018 02:19 AM)JoeNovak Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 01:00 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 12:04 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 11:51 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 08:03 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Yep, and you have to keep pointing that out since they keep mentioning his overall record as a selling point.

I'd love to see the record vs winning teams

5 wins this year alone ... EMU, Ohio, Turd, BYU, Buffalo
But not good in previous years

Not sure Doreen or Kill were any better, our schedule was one of the weakest in FBS around the Orange Bowl year.

I really miss Doeren, you knew at least going into a game coaching was not going to cost you the game. Amazing what that can do for the morale of a team

I can assure you that the morale of this team is fine. It’s actually great. You have zero basis to support that blanket statement and just spew nothing but BS to support your agenda.

Sorry but the same applies for you, even moreso, because you see a player smiling in a youtube video does not mean Carey deserves to be extended until 2040. Just should not work like that. If you are happy with the results of this team and the direction of the program that is fine, you are entitled to that. There is no reason to trash fans for wanting NIU to get back to the level it was at before.
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(12-22-2018 02:41 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 02:19 AM)JoeNovak Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 01:00 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(12-22-2018 12:04 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 11:51 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I'd love to see the record vs winning teams

5 wins this year alone ... EMU, Ohio, Turd, BYU, Buffalo
But not good in previous years

Not sure Doreen or Kill were any better, our schedule was one of the weakest in FBS around the Orange Bowl year.

I really miss Doeren, you knew at least going into a game coaching was not going to cost you the game. Amazing what that can do for the morale of a team

I can assure you that the morale of this team is fine. It’s actually great. You have zero basis to support that blanket statement and just spew nothing but BS to support your agenda.

Sorry but the same applies for you, even moreso, because you see a player smiling in a youtube video does not mean Carey deserves to be extended until 2040. Just should not work like that. If you are happy with the results of this team and the direction of the program that is fine, you are entitled to that. There is no reason to trash fans for wanting NIU to get back to the level it was at before.

Ya and what level was that before? A yearly BCS bowl and national title work for you? The problem with some NIU fans like yourself is that you are delusional and need to take down your unreasonable high expectations a notch.
You must be referring to the orange bowl days right?? When NIU under Doeren would beat crappy out of conference teams and then win their conference. If that same team played this years schedule they are not making it to a BCS bowl.
As for the momentum lost after the orange bowl......do I wish we could have string years together of access bowls? Of course. We almost did. But it’s not realistic to sustain especially when your head coach leaves for a power 5 school. You know what happens when head coaches leave MD? Their recruits follow. So when a new head coach comes in they have to start from scratch. If Doeren was paid handsomely and stayed the next 10 years then maybe you have some sort of point. But once again, not realistic, he took a better job.
As for sustainability at the top.....it’s incredibly hard. Who does NIU want to be? Boise State? Ok let’s look at them for a second. They have won consistently over the years and are STILL stuck in the mountain west conference. They are truly the cream of the crop of non power 5 teams and even their consistent succcess couldn’t put them over the top. And guess what they are not in an access bowl this year, or last year either because it’s too damn hard to always do.
How about those other smaller schools who made BCS/access bowls? UConn? Remember them? What happened to them? Exactly. How about WMU. Same opportunity as NIU. Made the cotton bowl. Great recruiting classes. And guess what???? The head coach left for greener pastures and the program took a step back.
Lastly let’s talk UCF. Two straight big bowl games and an undefeated team. They have the best opportunity to take it up to power 5 status. Why? The winning helps, but it’s the fact they have an enrollment of 55,000 students and people actually go to the games. They will come back down to earth soon and not be in an Access bowl consistently, especially when they start playing some formidable out of conference opponents. Even with that success they still can’t get into a power 5 conference.

We are not Ohio State or Alabama. If you are looking for NIU to be in national title contention then you are rooting for the wrong team and should look elsewhere.
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(12-22-2018 12:04 AM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 11:51 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 08:03 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(12-20-2018 05:21 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  Carey”s record in 2012-2014 with mostly Kill and Doeren’s recruoits:

23-6

Carey’s record in 2015-2018 with mostly his recruits:

29-24

Yep, and you have to keep pointing that out since they keep mentioning his overall record as a selling point.

I'd love to see the record vs winning teams

5 wins this year alone ... EMU, Ohio, Turd, BYU, Buffalo
But not good in previous years

Not sure Doreen or Kill were any better, our schedule was one of the weakest in FBS around the Orange Bowl year.

They were pretty average wins too. Most of those teams ended up 7-6, barely a winning season. The only good teams we beat were Ohio and Buffalo.
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(12-20-2018 05:21 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  Carey”s record in 2012-2014 with mostly Kill and Doeren’s recruoits:

23-6

Carey’s record in 2015-2018 with mostly his recruits:

29-24

The OOC schedule has changed so much that you can only look at Mac play.

16-2 vs 24-10.

8 wins a year vs 6 wins. A definite drop off of 2 conference wins a season.
Those first two years had zero qb injuries with Lynch and Hare. The next 3 seasons saw the starting qb go down with injuries 8 times I believe? That 24-10 probably looks different with Lynch and a healthy Hare as the qb.
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(12-21-2018 11:46 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  Ken Chessick has made comments on Facebook that clearly support Carey. There is one of our largest donors openly supporting Carey. I would imagine he isn’t alone among other big time donors if Carey keeps getting extended. It would seem unlikely Frazier makes decisions on extensions on his own, big time donors conceivably run the show behind the scenes.

Glad he supports the program during this trying time. But where are the ex players, and rest of fans and donors?
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(12-22-2018 11:50 AM)NIUfrank Wrote:  
(12-21-2018 11:46 PM)HuskieJoe Wrote:  Ken Chessick has made comments on Facebook that clearly support Carey. There is one of our largest donors openly supporting Carey. I would imagine he isn’t alone among other big time donors if Carey keeps getting extended. It would seem unlikely Frazier makes decisions on extensions on his own, big time donors conceivably run the show behind the scenes.

Glad he supports the program during this trying time. But where are the ex players, and rest of fans and donors?

Winning a Conference Championship is a trying time? 03-banghead
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