(12-20-2018 06:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:40 AM)ballhog Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:25 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-19-2018 05:57 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  UCF is damned if they do and damned if they don’t in this situation. If they take it they are putting their tail between their legs and admitting they are less of a program than Florida. If they don’t take it then they are scared of better competition.

All of this is talk. The only way you convince folks is to WIN GAMES! And to win games you have to play them. FSU used to be one of us but Bowden played OSU, NE & whoever would play FSU - on the road & guess where FSU is now. They played the games........

Southern Miss did the same thing and won some of the games. It didn't work out for them to put it mildly.

Winning games isn't going to convince anyone. There will always be another excuse to not include a team like UCF.

Winning games is the ONLY way you convince anyone - it's the way we crown conference & national champs - and it's the only way you get respect. Sure it will be resisted by the P5 but winning consistently takes away excuses like nothing else. And USM? They have no market, no money and are stuck in FB purgatory while the AAC schools are on the cusp, gaining credibility - as they play & win against P5 - see FSU, TCU, Utah, UWV, VT, etc.

Who are you trying to convince?
The CFP committee? Doesn't matter - they do what they want and us or UCF winning one more game won't matter.
The media and fans? Just talking heads not leading to anything.
Conference expansion committees? They don't care about winning games, tv markets matter to them.
What is the goal?

That's pretty easy one, 1) our fans prefer to play P5's OOC, 2) ranking reflect the schedule, 3) aspiriations for P5 status are improved with P5 wins - so yes expansion committees, 4) yes, the media recognizes good wins over P5s, 5) more folks watch our games against P5s - better TV ratings=more $$, so yes, all of the above.

(12-21-2018 03:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 06:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:40 AM)ballhog Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:25 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  All of this is talk. The only way you convince folks is to WIN GAMES! And to win games you have to play them. FSU used to be one of us but Bowden played OSU, NE & whoever would play FSU - on the road & guess where FSU is now. They played the games........

Southern Miss did the same thing and won some of the games. It didn't work out for them to put it mildly.

Winning games isn't going to convince anyone. There will always be another excuse to not include a team like UCF.

Winning games is the ONLY way you convince anyone - it's the way we crown conference & national champs - and it's the only way you get respect. Sure it will be resisted by the P5 but winning consistently takes away excuses like nothing else. And USM? They have no market, no money and are stuck in FB purgatory while the AAC schools are on the cusp, gaining credibility - as they play & win against P5 - see FSU, TCU, Utah, UWV, VT, etc.

Who are you trying to convince?
The CFP committee? Doesn't matter - they do what they want and us or UCF winning one more game won't matter.
The media and fans? Just talking heads not leading to anything.
Conference expansion committees? They don't care about winning games, tv markets matter to them.
What is the goal?

That's pretty easy one, 1) our fans prefer to play P5's OOC, 2) ranking reflect the schedule, 3) aspiriations for P5 status are improved with P5 wins - so yes expansion committees, 4) yes, the media recognizes good wins over P5s, 5) more folks watch our games against P5s - better TV ratings=more $$, so yes, all of the above.

1. Not according to attendance numbers.
2. No they don't. Not even close.
3. Not really.
4. I fully agree, if you mean games against better P5s. Nobody mentioned our beating Kansas.
5. Not true. Our games against UCF drew better numbers than most any other game we played against P5s.

If by P5s, you mean ole miss and ut, then my answer changes on number 1. Other than that, I don't think your statements have merit in fact.

(12-21-2018 04:26 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 03:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 06:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:40 AM)ballhog Wrote:  Southern Miss did the same thing and won some of the games. It didn't work out for them to put it mildly.

Winning games isn't going to convince anyone. There will always be another excuse to not include a team like UCF.

Winning games is the ONLY way you convince anyone - it's the way we crown conference & national champs - and it's the only way you get respect. Sure it will be resisted by the P5 but winning consistently takes away excuses like nothing else. And USM? They have no market, no money and are stuck in FB purgatory while the AAC schools are on the cusp, gaining credibility - as they play & win against P5 - see FSU, TCU, Utah, UWV, VT, etc.

Who are you trying to convince?
The CFP committee? Doesn't matter - they do what they want and us or UCF winning one more game won't matter.
The media and fans? Just talking heads not leading to anything.
Conference expansion committees? They don't care about winning games, tv markets matter to them.
What is the goal?

That's pretty easy one, 1) our fans prefer to play P5's OOC, 2) ranking reflect the schedule, 3) aspiriations for P5 status are improved with P5 wins - so yes expansion committees, 4) yes, the media recognizes good wins over P5s, 5) more folks watch our games against P5s - better TV ratings=more $$, so yes, all of the above.

1. Not according to attendance numbers.
2. No they don't. Not even close.
3. Not really.
4. I fully agree, if you mean games against better P5s. Nobody mentioned our beating Kansas.
5. Not true. Our games against UCF drew better numbers than most any other game we played against P5s.

If by P5s, you mean ole miss and ut, then my answer changes on number 1. Other than that, I don't think your statements have merit in fact.

1. We need to play relevant teams to be relevant. The upcoming schedules are inexcusably bad.

2. Marquee games allow the university to charge more for season tickets. If you give me a schedule full of fluff, then Im not buying season tickets. Ill pick and choose but I will not by season ticket package.

3. P5 wins increase odds of being ranked high enough to qualify for a NYD game.

4. Being a puss is a crap way to schedule and recruit.

(12-21-2018 04:26 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 03:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 06:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:40 AM)ballhog Wrote:  Southern Miss did the same thing and won some of the games. It didn't work out for them to put it mildly.

Winning games isn't going to convince anyone. There will always be another excuse to not include a team like UCF.

Winning games is the ONLY way you convince anyone - it's the way we crown conference & national champs - and it's the only way you get respect. Sure it will be resisted by the P5 but winning consistently takes away excuses like nothing else. And USM? They have no market, no money and are stuck in FB purgatory while the AAC schools are on the cusp, gaining credibility - as they play & win against P5 - see FSU, TCU, Utah, UWV, VT, etc.

Who are you trying to convince?
The CFP committee? Doesn't matter - they do what they want and us or UCF winning one more game won't matter.
The media and fans? Just talking heads not leading to anything.
Conference expansion committees? They don't care about winning games, tv markets matter to them.
What is the goal?

That's pretty easy one, 1) our fans prefer to play P5's OOC, 2) ranking reflect the schedule, 3) aspiriations for P5 status are improved with P5 wins - so yes expansion committees, 4) yes, the media recognizes good wins over P5s, 5) more folks watch our games against P5s - better TV ratings=more $$, so yes, all of the above.

1. Not according to attendance numbers.
2. No they don't. Not even close.
3. Not really.
4. I fully agree, if you mean games against better P5s. Nobody mentioned our beating Kansas.
5. Not true. Our games against UCF drew better numbers than most any other game we played against P5s.

If by P5s, you mean ole miss and ut, then my answer changes on number 1. Other than that, I don't think your statements have merit in fact.

In 2017 the 2 highest attendance games for Memphis at the Liberty Bowl were against ISU & UCLA. In 2015 the highest attendance games for Memphis at the Liberty Bowl was Ole Miss. And this is consistently the case with few exceptions when Memphis plays a competitive P5 school at home. If Memphis plays a competitive P5 school that game will lead attendance for the year. Exceptions, Kansas - the worse P5 school in the country in 2016 & 2018 when Memphis didn't play a P5 school at home. Not just OM, MSU or UTK - Memphis will outdraw most all AAC games played at home when playing a competitive P5 school (see UCLA). Playing a strong OOC schedule does factor into rankings. Beating P5 schools has historically aided every program able to make the jump to P5 status. And our best TV viewer rated games have been against P5 schools, notable exceptions have been recent UCF games.

(12-21-2018 05:26 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 04:26 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 03:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 06:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Winning games is the ONLY way you convince anyone - it's the way we crown conference & national champs - and it's the only way you get respect. Sure it will be resisted by the P5 but winning consistently takes away excuses like nothing else. And USM? They have no market, no money and are stuck in FB purgatory while the AAC schools are on the cusp, gaining credibility - as they play & win against P5 - see FSU, TCU, Utah, UWV, VT, etc.

Who are you trying to convince?
The CFP committee? Doesn't matter - they do what they want and us or UCF winning one more game won't matter.
The media and fans? Just talking heads not leading to anything.
Conference expansion committees? They don't care about winning games, tv markets matter to them.
What is the goal?

That's pretty easy one, 1) our fans prefer to play P5's OOC, 2) ranking reflect the schedule, 3) aspiriations for P5 status are improved with P5 wins - so yes expansion committees, 4) yes, the media recognizes good wins over P5s, 5) more folks watch our games against P5s - better TV ratings=more $$, so yes, all of the above.

1. Not according to attendance numbers.
2. No they don't. Not even close.
3. Not really.
4. I fully agree, if you mean games against better P5s. Nobody mentioned our beating Kansas.
5. Not true. Our games against UCF drew better numbers than most any other game we played against P5s.

If by P5s, you mean ole miss and ut, then my answer changes on number 1. Other than that, I don't think your statements have merit in fact.

1. We need to play relevant teams to be relevant. The upcoming schedules are inexcusably bad.

2. Marquee games allow the university to charge more for season tickets. If you give me a schedule full of fluff, then Im not buying season tickets. Ill pick and choose but I will not by season ticket package.

3. P5 wins increase odds of being ranked high enough to qualify for a NYD game.

4. Being a puss is a crap way to schedule and recruit.

All I can say is that you're right. Period.

(12-21-2018 03:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 06:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:40 AM)ballhog Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:25 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  All of this is talk. The only way you convince folks is to WIN GAMES! And to win games you have to play them. FSU used to be one of us but Bowden played OSU, NE & whoever would play FSU - on the road & guess where FSU is now. They played the games........

Southern Miss did the same thing and won some of the games. It didn't work out for them to put it mildly.

Winning games isn't going to convince anyone. There will always be another excuse to not include a team like UCF.

Winning games is the ONLY way you convince anyone - it's the way we crown conference & national champs - and it's the only way you get respect. Sure it will be resisted by the P5 but winning consistently takes away excuses like nothing else. And USM? They have no market, no money and are stuck in FB purgatory while the AAC schools are on the cusp, gaining credibility - as they play & win against P5 - see FSU, TCU, Utah, UWV, VT, etc.

Who are you trying to convince?
The CFP committee? Doesn't matter - they do what they want and us or UCF winning one more game won't matter.
The media and fans? Just talking heads not leading to anything.
Conference expansion committees? They don't care about winning games, tv markets matter to them.
What is the goal?

That's pretty easy one, 1) our fans prefer to play P5's OOC, 2) ranking reflect the schedule, 3) aspiriations for P5 status are improved with P5 wins - so yes expansion committees, 4) yes, the media recognizes good wins over P5s, 5) more folks watch our games against P5s - better TV ratings=more $$, so yes, all of the above.

The context of the debate is 2-1 games. So the fans argument is countered by the fact it's only 1 game over a 3 year period. I guarantee you we get more ticket sales off of 3 home games against lower level over 3 years, than we do 1 home game against upper level over 3 years.

Rankings don't reflect the schedule, they reflect the conference.

Give one example of where expansion committees acted as a result of SOS.

The media and tv ratings loved all of our UCF games the past 2 years. Not sure how much more coverage we can get.

(12-21-2018 05:26 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 04:26 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 03:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 06:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Winning games is the ONLY way you convince anyone - it's the way we crown conference & national champs - and it's the only way you get respect. Sure it will be resisted by the P5 but winning consistently takes away excuses like nothing else. And USM? They have no market, no money and are stuck in FB purgatory while the AAC schools are on the cusp, gaining credibility - as they play & win against P5 - see FSU, TCU, Utah, UWV, VT, etc.

Who are you trying to convince?
The CFP committee? Doesn't matter - they do what they want and us or UCF winning one more game won't matter.
The media and fans? Just talking heads not leading to anything.
Conference expansion committees? They don't care about winning games, tv markets matter to them.
What is the goal?

That's pretty easy one, 1) our fans prefer to play P5's OOC, 2) ranking reflect the schedule, 3) aspiriations for P5 status are improved with P5 wins - so yes expansion committees, 4) yes, the media recognizes good wins over P5s, 5) more folks watch our games against P5s - better TV ratings=more $$, so yes, all of the above.

1. Not according to attendance numbers.
2. No they don't. Not even close.
3. Not really.
4. I fully agree, if you mean games against better P5s. Nobody mentioned our beating Kansas.
5. Not true. Our games against UCF drew better numbers than most any other game we played against P5s.

If by P5s, you mean ole miss and ut, then my answer changes on number 1. Other than that, I don't think your statements have merit in fact.

1. We need to play relevant teams to be relevant. The upcoming schedules are inexcusably bad.

2. Marquee games allow the university to charge more for season tickets. If you give me a schedule full of fluff, then Im not buying season tickets. Ill pick and choose but I will not by season ticket package.

3. P5 wins increase odds of being ranked high enough to qualify for a NYD game.

4. Being a puss is a crap way to schedule and recruit.

1. We already are very relevant. As much as we can be as a G5.
2. 1 marquee game at home every 3 years (2 for 1 was the context for the debate) will absolutely NOT drive season ticket sales. A 7th home game will have more of an impact than that - year after year.
3. We don't need P5 wins to qualify for a NYD bowl. We just need to win the AAC and finish with no more losses than any other G5 team. So, playing road P5 games lessen the chances of getting a NYD game.
4. Tell that to Norvell (and Bowen) as he rakes in the best recruiting class in our history.

(12-23-2018 06:05 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 03:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 06:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:40 AM)ballhog Wrote:  Southern Miss did the same thing and won some of the games. It didn't work out for them to put it mildly.

Winning games isn't going to convince anyone. There will always be another excuse to not include a team like UCF.

Winning games is the ONLY way you convince anyone - it's the way we crown conference & national champs - and it's the only way you get respect. Sure it will be resisted by the P5 but winning consistently takes away excuses like nothing else. And USM? They have no market, no money and are stuck in FB purgatory while the AAC schools are on the cusp, gaining credibility - as they play & win against P5 - see FSU, TCU, Utah, UWV, VT, etc.

Who are you trying to convince?
The CFP committee? Doesn't matter - they do what they want and us or UCF winning one more game won't matter.
The media and fans? Just talking heads not leading to anything.
Conference expansion committees? They don't care about winning games, tv markets matter to them.
What is the goal?

That's pretty easy one, 1) our fans prefer to play P5's OOC, 2) ranking reflect the schedule, 3) aspiriations for P5 status are improved with P5 wins - so yes expansion committees, 4) yes, the media recognizes good wins over P5s, 5) more folks watch our games against P5s - better TV ratings=more $$, so yes, all of the above.

The context of the debate is 2-1 games. So the fans argument is countered by the fact it's only 1 game over a 3 year period. I guarantee you we get more ticket sales off of 3 home games against lower level over 3 years, than we do 1 home game against upper level over 3 years.

Rankings don't reflect the schedule, they reflect the conference.

Give one example of where expansion committees acted as a result of SOS.

The media and tv ratings loved all of our UCF games the past 2 years. Not sure how much more coverage we can get.

False narrative really, UCF will still likely have 6-7 home games, the UF games would only be one per year, either home or away. Just because UCF would play 2 games at UF doesn't mean they wouldn't have other home games - or any less if they are adept scheduling - unlike our AD (I like our AD but he does have a weakness when it comes to scheduling).

(12-23-2018 06:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 05:26 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 04:26 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 03:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 06:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Who are you trying to convince?
The CFP committee? Doesn't matter - they do what they want and us or UCF winning one more game won't matter.
The media and fans? Just talking heads not leading to anything.
Conference expansion committees? They don't care about winning games, tv markets matter to them.
What is the goal?

That's pretty easy one, 1) our fans prefer to play P5's OOC, 2) ranking reflect the schedule, 3) aspiriations for P5 status are improved with P5 wins - so yes expansion committees, 4) yes, the media recognizes good wins over P5s, 5) more folks watch our games against P5s - better TV ratings=more $$, so yes, all of the above.

1. Not according to attendance numbers.
2. No they don't. Not even close.
3. Not really.
4. I fully agree, if you mean games against better P5s. Nobody mentioned our beating Kansas.
5. Not true. Our games against UCF drew better numbers than most any other game we played against P5s.

If by P5s, you mean ole miss and ut, then my answer changes on number 1. Other than that, I don't think your statements have merit in fact.

1. We need to play relevant teams to be relevant. The upcoming schedules are inexcusably bad.

2. Marquee games allow the university to charge more for season tickets. If you give me a schedule full of fluff, then Im not buying season tickets. Ill pick and choose but I will not by season ticket package.

3. P5 wins increase odds of being ranked high enough to qualify for a NYD game.

4. Being a puss is a crap way to schedule and recruit.

1. We already are very relevant. As much as we can be as a G5.
2. 1 marquee game at home every 3 years (2 for 1 was the context for the debate) will absolutely NOT drive season ticket sales. A 7th home game will have more of an impact than that - year after year.
3. We don't need P5 wins to qualify for a NYD bowl. We just need to win the AAC and finish with no more losses than any other G5 team. So, playing road P5 games lessen the chances of getting a NYD game.
4. Tell that to Norvell (and Bowen) as he rakes in the best recruiting class in our history.

Totally agree!

(12-20-2018 09:25 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-19-2018 05:57 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  UCF is damned if they do and damned if they don’t in this situation. If they take it they are putting their tail between their legs and admitting they are less of a program than Florida. If they don’t take it then they are scared of better competition.

All of this is talk. The only way you convince folks is to WIN GAMES! And to win games you have to play them. FSU used to be one of us but Bowden played OSU, NE & whoever would play FSU - on the road & guess where FSU is now. They played the games........

Remember though...that was when DOZENS of teams were "Independent", like FSU, Memphis State, Penn State, South Carolina, Miami, Boston College,Navy, Pitt, West Virginia, Syracuse, Rutgers, etc...and ALL of them needed 11 "non-conf" games per year back in the 70's and much of the 80's till many finally joined conferences later on.

(12-20-2018 02:12 PM)3601 Wrote:  USF has actually recently entered into three different 2 for 1 football series. With Florida, Texas and Louisville.

To show how far usf has fallen and how desperate they are to put ANY fans in the stands, weeks after usf signed a 2-for-1 with Louisville, UCF signed a HOME-HOME deal with Louisville.

And UCF is a poor season or two away from the same.

Not interested in a panty fight with Orlando and UCF here.

All our conference schools should continue to press for good home and home series. And on occasion give up that home game if it is beneficial.

(12-24-2018 10:41 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:25 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-19-2018 05:57 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  UCF is damned if they do and damned if they don’t in this situation. If they take it they are putting their tail between their legs and admitting they are less of a program than Florida. If they don’t take it then they are scared of better competition.

All of this is talk. The only way you convince folks is to WIN GAMES! And to win games you have to play them. FSU used to be one of us but Bowden played OSU, NE & whoever would play FSU - on the road & guess where FSU is now. They played the games........

Remember though...that was when DOZENS of teams were "Independent", like FSU, Memphis State, Penn State, South Carolina, Miami, Boston College,Navy, Pitt, West Virginia, Syracuse, Rutgers, etc...and ALL of them needed 11 "non-conf" games per year back in the 70's and much of the 80's till many finally joined conferences later on.

It's sad that this even has to be said. You're completely right, but it should be obvious to us all.

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(12-21-2018 08:05 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 04:26 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-21-2018 03:39 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 06:15 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Winning games is the ONLY way you convince anyone - it's the way we crown conference & national champs - and it's the only way you get respect. Sure it will be resisted by the P5 but winning consistently takes away excuses like nothing else. And USM? They have no market, no money and are stuck in FB purgatory while the AAC schools are on the cusp, gaining credibility - as they play & win against P5 - see FSU, TCU, Utah, UWV, VT, etc.

Who are you trying to convince?
The CFP committee? Doesn't matter - they do what they want and us or UCF winning one more game won't matter.
The media and fans? Just talking heads not leading to anything.
Conference expansion committees? They don't care about winning games, tv markets matter to them.
What is the goal?

That's pretty easy one, 1) our fans prefer to play P5's OOC, 2) ranking reflect the schedule, 3) aspiriations for P5 status are improved with P5 wins - so yes expansion committees, 4) yes, the media recognizes good wins over P5s, 5) more folks watch our games against P5s - better TV ratings=more $$, so yes, all of the above.

1. Not according to attendance numbers.
2. No they don't. Not even close.
3. Not really.
4. I fully agree, if you mean games against better P5s. Nobody mentioned our beating Kansas.
5. Not true. Our games against UCF drew better numbers than most any other game we played against P5s.

If by P5s, you mean ole miss and ut, then my answer changes on number 1. Other than that, I don't think your statements have merit in fact.

In 2017 the 2 highest attendance games for Memphis at the Liberty Bowl were against ISU & UCLA. In 2015 the highest attendance games for Memphis at the Liberty Bowl was Ole Miss. And this is consistently the case with few exceptions when Memphis plays a competitive P5 school at home. If Memphis plays a competitive P5 school that game will lead attendance for the year. Exceptions, Kansas - the worse P5 school in the country in 2016 & 2018 when Memphis didn't play a P5 school at home. Not just OM, MSU or UTK - Memphis will outdraw most all AAC games played at home when playing a competitive P5 school (see UCLA). Playing a strong OOC schedule does factor into rankings. Beating P5 schools has historically aided every program able to make the jump to P5 status. And our best TV viewer rated games have been against P5 schools, notable exceptions have been recent UCF games.

ISU was technically a road game and most of the tickets sold were BEFORE it was known that the Tigers were playing in the game.

(12-24-2018 10:41 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:25 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-19-2018 05:57 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  UCF is damned if they do and damned if they don’t in this situation. If they take it they are putting their tail between their legs and admitting they are less of a program than Florida. If they don’t take it then they are scared of better competition.

All of this is talk. The only way you convince folks is to WIN GAMES! And to win games you have to play them. FSU used to be one of us but Bowden played OSU, NE & whoever would play FSU - on the road & guess where FSU is now. They played the games........

Remember though...that was when DOZENS of teams were "Independent", like FSU, Memphis State, Penn State, South Carolina, Miami, Boston College,Navy, Pitt, West Virginia, Syracuse, Rutgers, etc...and ALL of them needed 11 "non-conf" games per year back in the 70's and much of the 80's till many finally joined conferences later on.

LOL the guy had to go back 40 YEARS to find an example. Back to before there was a P5 or BCS and most conferences were made up of only 8 teams. What worked in those days do not work these days due to the strong monopoly by the P5 conferences.

We should take that deal today

(06-04-2019 01:41 PM)memphisike Wrote:  We should take that deal today

Yep. Win that road game and you’re gold.

(06-03-2019 08:43 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-24-2018 10:41 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:25 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-19-2018 05:57 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  UCF is damned if they do and damned if they don’t in this situation. If they take it they are putting their tail between their legs and admitting they are less of a program than Florida. If they don’t take it then they are scared of better competition.

All of this is talk. The only way you convince folks is to WIN GAMES! And to win games you have to play them. FSU used to be one of us but Bowden played OSU, NE & whoever would play FSU - on the road & guess where FSU is now. They played the games........

Remember though...that was when DOZENS of teams were "Independent", like FSU, Memphis State, Penn State, South Carolina, Miami, Boston College,Navy, Pitt, West Virginia, Syracuse, Rutgers, etc...and ALL of them needed 11 "non-conf" games per year back in the 70's and much of the 80's till many finally joined conferences later on.

LOL the guy had to go back 40 YEARS to find an example. Back to before there was a P5 or BCS and most conferences were made up of only 8 teams. What worked in those days do not work these days due to the strong monopoly by the P5 conferences.

Apparently you are incapable of critical thinking. There are many factors that go into recognition & consideration of a step up in conference affiliation. The strength of your opponents is just one of them. And unfortunately in today's environment, there are several G5 schools that are more worthy of P5 status than approx 20% of the P5. But a certainty is you have to win games & they need to be against successful P5 schools OOC in order to get media & P5 attention - and in Memphis to get fans to the games. Most importantly, from the P5 prospective, you have to make them money.

(06-05-2019 03:59 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  

(06-04-2019 01:41 PM)memphisike Wrote:  We should take that deal today

Yep. Win that road game and you’re gold.

Agree. Get these games anyway you can. If we travel there twice so be it. We can still have 7 home games. Schedule is improved. Chances to improve ranking increase. Exposure increases. DO IT!

Besides, a trip to talent rich Florida a couple of times is great for recruiting.