(12-20-2018 10:59 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:49 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:45 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:40 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:33 AM)3601 Wrote:  Why? Because I think schools like Florida and Oregon have leverage and are going to start demanding 2 for 1 deals in the future. Time will tell.

Boise may have set a precedent.

Because Bowen doesn’t want to play a tough non-conference schedule.

Maybe Norvell doesn't either? Word was that Fuente was not happy with the UCLA series.

Which is why coaches are not in charge of the non-conference schedule.

Don't fool yourself. Some coaches at some schools have a lot of say in the matter.

Not really and for sure not at Memphis, which is the point. OOC games are set years in advance, and the head coach almost certainly won't be here by the time we play the crap games Bowen has scheduled for us through 2025.

(12-20-2018 11:00 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:45 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:40 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:33 AM)3601 Wrote:  Why? Because I think schools like Florida and Oregon have leverage and are going to start demanding 2 for 1 deals in the future. Time will tell.

Boise may have set a precedent.

Because Bowen doesn’t want to play a tough non-conference schedule.

Maybe Norvell doesn't either? Word was that Fuente was not happy with the UCLA series.

yep... that UCLA series was a terrible one for Memphis.

I didn't say that, did I? I was all for it. However, word was that Fuente didn't have the same opinion.

And he was wrong. Tom Bowen will be bragging about that UCLA win for the next decade... about the time he finally nuts up and schedules another home and home with a p5 school.

(12-20-2018 11:02 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:59 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:49 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:45 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:40 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Because Bowen doesn’t want to play a tough non-conference schedule.

Maybe Norvell doesn't either? Word was that Fuente was not happy with the UCLA series.

Which is why coaches are not in charge of the non-conference schedule.

Don't fool yourself. Some coaches at some schools have a lot of say in the matter.

Not really and for sure not at Memphis, which is the point. OOC games are set years in advance, and the head coach almost certainly won't be here by the time we play the crap games Bowen has scheduled for us through 2025.

Don't fool yourself. You don't think Tommy had some sway over who RC scheduled? You don't think Saban has some input?

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index...chang.html

(12-20-2018 11:04 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 11:00 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:45 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:40 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Because Bowen doesn’t want to play a tough non-conference schedule.

Maybe Norvell doesn't either? Word was that Fuente was not happy with the UCLA series.

yep... that UCLA series was a terrible one for Memphis.

I didn't say that, did I? I was all for it. However, word was that Fuente didn't have the same opinion.

And he was wrong. Tom Bowen will be bragging about that UCLA win for the next decade... about the time he finally nuts up and schedules another home and home with a p5 school.

Mississippi State is on the books.

(12-20-2018 11:29 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 11:02 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:59 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:49 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:45 AM)3601 Wrote:  Maybe Norvell doesn't either? Word was that Fuente was not happy with the UCLA series.

Which is why coaches are not in charge of the non-conference schedule.

Don't fool yourself. Some coaches at some schools have a lot of say in the matter.

Not really and for sure not at Memphis, which is the point. OOC games are set years in advance, and the head coach almost certainly won't be here by the time we play the crap games Bowen has scheduled for us through 2025.

Don't fool yourself. You don't think Tommy had some sway over who RC scheduled? You don't think Saban has some input?

There are a lot of nutty comments on this board. But the nuttiest are when someone compares the football coaching situation at Memphis to Nick Saban and Alabama, and then think they have made a point.

(12-20-2018 11:29 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 11:04 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 11:00 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:45 AM)3601 Wrote:  Maybe Norvell doesn't either? Word was that Fuente was not happy with the UCLA series.

yep... that UCLA series was a terrible one for Memphis.

I didn't say that, did I? I was all for it. However, word was that Fuente didn't have the same opinion.

And he was wrong. Tom Bowen will be bragging about that UCLA win for the next decade... about the time he finally nuts up and schedules another home and home with a p5 school.

Mississippi State is on the books.

Over the course of the next 7 years, we have 5 decent non-conference games (Mississippi State x2, @ Purdue, Missouri, Ole Miss) on the schedule. We have had seasons in the past.. granted we were an independent... where that was half of a single season's schedule.

That is absolutely awful.

1991's schedule...

https://gotigersgo.com/mobile/schedule.a...hedule=140

(12-20-2018 09:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:28 AM)3601 Wrote:  2 for 1 deals are probably the future for schools like Memphis and UCF if they want series with upper echelon P5 schools. Boise just signed a 2:1 with Oregon.

Why? Have you not seen other AAC team’s non conference schedules? I see plenty of P5 home and home series.

Quite frankly, we’re the only top program going cream puff.

There is absolutely no incentive for a P5 program to schedule a 1:1 with a G5 school. SEC is pressuring their schools to focus more on P5 non-conference opponents and cupcake buy games. The other conferences will be following suit.

If you were a P5 school, would you schedule a 1:1 with Memphis, UCF, or another G5 school? What's the incentive to do so? Memphis is not a recruiting hotbed, it's perceived as a lesser opponent than a comparable P5 school, and you have the risk of losing.

The divide is getting larger.

(12-20-2018 11:33 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 11:29 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 11:02 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:59 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:49 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Which is why coaches are not in charge of the non-conference schedule.

Don't fool yourself. Some coaches at some schools have a lot of say in the matter.

Not really and for sure not at Memphis, which is the point. OOC games are set years in advance, and the head coach almost certainly won't be here by the time we play the crap games Bowen has scheduled for us through 2025.

Don't fool yourself. You don't think Tommy had some sway over who RC scheduled? You don't think Saban has some input?

There are a lot of nutty comments on this board. But the nuttiest are when someone compares the football coaching situation at Memphis to Nick Saban and Alabama, and then think they have made a point.

Some coaches at some schools have a lot of say in the matter. Bama and Memphis are just two examples. There are plenty of others out there. K State, Navy, TCU and others. Next.

(12-20-2018 12:49 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:28 AM)3601 Wrote:  2 for 1 deals are probably the future for schools like Memphis and UCF if they want series with upper echelon P5 schools. Boise just signed a 2:1 with Oregon.

Why? Have you not seen other AAC team’s non conference schedules? I see plenty of P5 home and home series.

Quite frankly, we’re the only top program going cream puff.

There is absolutely no incentive for a P5 program to schedule a 1:1 with a G5 school. SEC is pressuring their schools to focus more on P5 non-conference opponents and cupcake buy games. The other conferences will be following suit.

If you were a P5 school, would you schedule a 1:1 with Memphis, UCF, or another G5 school? What's the incentive to do so? Memphis is not a recruiting hotbed, it's perceived as a lesser opponent than a comparable P5 school, and you have the risk of losing.

The divide is getting larger.

Then why are so many other AAC schools getting home and home’s against P5 programs?

(12-20-2018 11:40 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 11:29 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 11:04 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 11:00 AM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 10:59 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  yep... that UCLA series was a terrible one for Memphis.

I didn't say that, did I? I was all for it. However, word was that Fuente didn't have the same opinion.

And he was wrong. Tom Bowen will be bragging about that UCLA win for the next decade... about the time he finally nuts up and schedules another home and home with a p5 school.

Mississippi State is on the books.

Over the course of the next 7 years, we have 5 decent non-conference games (Mississippi State x2, @ Purdue, Missouri, Ole Miss) on the schedule. We have had seasons in the past.. granted we were an independent... where that was half of a single season's schedule.

That is absolutely awful.

1991's schedule...

https://gotigersgo.com/mobile/schedule.a...hedule=140

I was at most of those games in 1991...and the entire decade of the 1990's. We played plenty of name teams and lost about 85% of those games.

It was a different world. We weren't in a conference back then. Trust me...the past few football seasons under Fuente and Norvell have been much more enjoyable than the early 90's when I was in school and Stobart was the coach.

(12-20-2018 02:04 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 12:49 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:28 AM)3601 Wrote:  2 for 1 deals are probably the future for schools like Memphis and UCF if they want series with upper echelon P5 schools. Boise just signed a 2:1 with Oregon.

Why? Have you not seen other AAC team’s non conference schedules? I see plenty of P5 home and home series.

Quite frankly, we’re the only top program going cream puff.

There is absolutely no incentive for a P5 program to schedule a 1:1 with a G5 school. SEC is pressuring their schools to focus more on P5 non-conference opponents and cupcake buy games. The other conferences will be following suit.

If you were a P5 school, would you schedule a 1:1 with Memphis, UCF, or another G5 school? What's the incentive to do so? Memphis is not a recruiting hotbed, it's perceived as a lesser opponent than a comparable P5 school, and you have the risk of losing.

The divide is getting larger.

Then why are so many other AAC schools getting home and home’s against P5 programs?

There some on the books now. Let's see how many new home and home deals get done over the next few seasons. I hope I'm wrong, but I think these 2 for 1 deals are going to become the norm. Boise/Oregon and USF/Florida have set a precedent.

USF has actually recently entered into three different 2 for 1 football series. With Florida, Texas and Louisville.

Florida ain't gonna do a home and home with UCF if USF will give them a 2 for 1.

It appears that Pandora's box is officially open on these 2 for 1 deals.

(12-20-2018 02:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 02:04 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 12:49 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:28 AM)3601 Wrote:  2 for 1 deals are probably the future for schools like Memphis and UCF if they want series with upper echelon P5 schools. Boise just signed a 2:1 with Oregon.

Why? Have you not seen other AAC team’s non conference schedules? I see plenty of P5 home and home series.

Quite frankly, we’re the only top program going cream puff.

There is absolutely no incentive for a P5 program to schedule a 1:1 with a G5 school. SEC is pressuring their schools to focus more on P5 non-conference opponents and cupcake buy games. The other conferences will be following suit.

If you were a P5 school, would you schedule a 1:1 with Memphis, UCF, or another G5 school? What's the incentive to do so? Memphis is not a recruiting hotbed, it's perceived as a lesser opponent than a comparable P5 school, and you have the risk of losing.

The divide is getting larger.

Then why are so many other AAC schools getting home and home’s against P5 programs?

There some on the books now. Let's see how many new home and home deals get done over the next few seasons. I hope I'm wrong, but I think these 2 for 1 deals are going to become the norm. Boise/Oregon and USF/Florida have set a precedent.

Just a couple of quick google searches


https://www.google.com/amp/www.philly.co...utType=amp

https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ohio-state...n-2018-19/

Another one...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ralphie...-2025-2026

And another...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theucon...jeff-brohm

(12-20-2018 02:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 02:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 02:04 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 12:49 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Why? Have you not seen other AAC team’s non conference schedules? I see plenty of P5 home and home series.

Quite frankly, we’re the only top program going cream puff.

There is absolutely no incentive for a P5 program to schedule a 1:1 with a G5 school. SEC is pressuring their schools to focus more on P5 non-conference opponents and cupcake buy games. The other conferences will be following suit.

If you were a P5 school, would you schedule a 1:1 with Memphis, UCF, or another G5 school? What's the incentive to do so? Memphis is not a recruiting hotbed, it's perceived as a lesser opponent than a comparable P5 school, and you have the risk of losing.

The divide is getting larger.

Then why are so many other AAC schools getting home and home’s against P5 programs?

There some on the books now. Let's see how many new home and home deals get done over the next few seasons. I hope I'm wrong, but I think these 2 for 1 deals are going to become the norm. Boise/Oregon and USF/Florida have set a precedent.

Just a couple of quick google searches


https://www.google.com/amp/www.philly.co...utType=amp

https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ohio-state...n-2018-19/

The OSU link was for BBall, not football. And Penn State's 'away' game will be at Temple's 'home stadium' whereby 65% of the crowd (minimum) will be Penn State fans.

The other two links are a much better comparison. Purdue has a home-and-home with UCONN and Houston has a home-and-home with Colorado.

In the case of UCONN, they are a dreadful team and Purdue won't need to spend money to get a road win and pad their records. All the benefits of a 'buy' game without having to spend the money.

Colorado gets a big plus for recruiting with their home-and-home with Houston. Everyone wants in on the Texas (and Florida) recruiting areas.

I agree that we should step up our efforts to schedule P5 opponents, but don't hold your breath for home-and-homes. My feeling is that the best we can do is a home-and-home with Ole Myth/Misstake/UT (like before).

I would think after 5 straight bowls (and most likely 6), we can start in on scheduling P5's and even take some 2-for-1 type of deals.

Our program is probably on the most solid footing in its history. Decent conference that is unlikely to change for the next 5 years, winning tradition (I know that sounds strange, but it's very likely we'll go bowling for 6 straight years, at which time recruits were only 12 years old) and solid (although need for improvement) fan support. Crappy bowl tie-ins, but our media coverage is really good for a G5. We are on TV quite a bit and weblinks are available for every game.

Compared to 1991: horrid media coverage, no conference, zero bowl tie-ins, virtually no direction for the team (so, you wanna play for the Tigers in FB? Great, we really only have a couple of marquee games and we haven't been to a bowl game since 1971 in the Pasadena Bowl) and, pretty bad attendance.

(12-20-2018 03:09 PM)ddramone Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 02:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 02:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 02:04 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 12:49 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  There is absolutely no incentive for a P5 program to schedule a 1:1 with a G5 school. SEC is pressuring their schools to focus more on P5 non-conference opponents and cupcake buy games. The other conferences will be following suit.

If you were a P5 school, would you schedule a 1:1 with Memphis, UCF, or another G5 school? What's the incentive to do so? Memphis is not a recruiting hotbed, it's perceived as a lesser opponent than a comparable P5 school, and you have the risk of losing.

The divide is getting larger.

Then why are so many other AAC schools getting home and home’s against P5 programs?

There some on the books now. Let's see how many new home and home deals get done over the next few seasons. I hope I'm wrong, but I think these 2 for 1 deals are going to become the norm. Boise/Oregon and USF/Florida have set a precedent.

Just a couple of quick google searches


https://www.google.com/amp/www.philly.co...utType=amp

https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ohio-state...n-2018-19/

The OSU link was for BBall, not football. And Penn State's 'away' game will be at Temple's 'home stadium' whereby 65% of the crowd (minimum) will be Penn State fans.

The other two links are a much better comparison. Purdue has a home-and-home with UCONN and Houston has a home-and-home with Colorado.

In the case of UCONN, they are a dreadful team and Purdue won't need to spend money to get a road win and pad their records. All the benefits of a 'buy' game without having to spend the money.

Colorado gets a big plus for recruiting with their home-and-home with Houston. Everyone wants in on the Texas (and Florida) recruiting areas.

I agree that we should step up our efforts to schedule P5 opponents, but don't hold your breath for home-and-homes. My feeling is that the best we can do is a home-and-home with Ole Myth/Misstake/UT (like before).

I would think after 5 straight bowls (and most likely 6), we can start in on scheduling P5's and even take some 2-for-1 type of deals.

Our program is probably on the most solid footing in its history. Decent conference that is unlikely to change for the next 5 years, winning tradition (I know that sounds strange, but it's very likely we'll go bowling for 6 straight years, at which time recruits were only 12 years old) and solid (although need for improvement) fan support. Crappy bowl tie-ins, but our media coverage is really good for a G5. We are on TV quite a bit and weblinks are available for every game.

Compared to 1991: horrid media coverage, no conference, zero bowl tie-ins, virtually no direction for the team (so, you wanna play for the Tigers in FB? Great, we really only have a couple of marquee games and we haven't been to a bowl game since 1971 in the Pasadena Bowl) and, pretty bad attendance.

Also, there were no SEC teams mentioned.

Again, there is little incentive for a high-level P5 team to schedule home-home series with competitive G5 schools (unless they are in a recruiting hotbed).

Memphis will be able to schedule P5 home-and-homes. The problem is not the availability of P5 teams, the problem is the policy on one P5 OOC game per year set by our Athletic Director.

USF is not Memphis. USF plays in an NFL town, and in an NFL stadium, 10 miles from campus. They averaged 20,000 fans in 2017. They are trying to find the funds to build an on-campus stadium and indoor practice facility, just completed their study this fall. For them, since they don't have fans going to Raymond James Stadium anyway, two-for-ones might work in the interim. Doesn't mean its a good decision for Memphis. Or for UCF.

It's no Pandora's box. Look at just about all of our peers, they have 2 P5s scheduled year after year. Even USF has 3 P5 equivalents next year, Wisconsin, Georgia Tech and BYU, and South Carolina State.

Some good news for the future is that these P5s are almost all having attendance problems. Their fans don't like crap OOC schedules any more than we do. Depending on whose stats you use, 2018 will be the 8th straight year that college football in-game attendance has dropped. This WSJ from August says the problem is even greater than the schools say, since scanned tickets are much less than announced attendance. https://www.wsj.com/articles/college-foo...1535634001

(12-20-2018 09:48 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:40 AM)ballhog Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:25 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-19-2018 05:57 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  UCF is damned if they do and damned if they don’t in this situation. If they take it they are putting their tail between their legs and admitting they are less of a program than Florida. If they don’t take it then they are scared of better competition.

All of this is talk. The only way you convince folks is to WIN GAMES! And to win games you have to play them. FSU used to be one of us but Bowden played OSU, NE & whoever would play FSU - on the road & guess where FSU is now. They played the games........

Southern Miss did the same thing and won some of the games. It didn't work out for them to put it mildly.

Winning games isn't going to convince anyone. There will always be another excuse to not include a team like UCF.

Winning games is the ONLY way you convince anyone - it's the way we crown conference & national champs - and it's the only way you get respect. Sure it will be resisted by the P5 but winning consistently takes away excuses like nothing else. And USM? They have no market, no money and are stuck in FB purgatory while the AAC schools are on the cusp, gaining credibility - as they play & win against P5 - see FSU, TCU, Utah, UWV, VT, etc.

Who are you trying to convince?
The CFP committee? Doesn't matter - they do what they want and us or UCF winning one more game won't matter.
The media and fans? Just talking heads not leading to anything.
Conference expansion committees? They don't care about winning games, tv markets matter to them.
What is the goal?

(12-20-2018 02:30 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 02:07 PM)3601 Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 02:04 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 12:49 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(12-20-2018 09:51 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Why? Have you not seen other AAC team’s non conference schedules? I see plenty of P5 home and home series.

Quite frankly, we’re the only top program going cream puff.

There is absolutely no incentive for a P5 program to schedule a 1:1 with a G5 school. SEC is pressuring their schools to focus more on P5 non-conference opponents and cupcake buy games. The other conferences will be following suit.

If you were a P5 school, would you schedule a 1:1 with Memphis, UCF, or another G5 school? What's the incentive to do so? Memphis is not a recruiting hotbed, it's perceived as a lesser opponent than a comparable P5 school, and you have the risk of losing.

The divide is getting larger.

Then why are so many other AAC schools getting home and home’s against P5 programs?

There some on the books now. Let's see how many new home and home deals get done over the next few seasons. I hope I'm wrong, but I think these 2 for 1 deals are going to become the norm. Boise/Oregon and USF/Florida have set a precedent.

Just a couple of quick google searches


https://www.google.com/amp/www.philly.co...utType=amp

https://ohiostatebuckeyes.com/ohio-state...n-2018-19/

That second one is over two years old. Like I said...I hope I'm wrong, but let's see what happens in the future. I still think 2 for 1 deals may become the new norm for AAC/MWC schools wanting to play upper level P5 opponents. USF obviously doesn't mind. They've done three of them.

(12-20-2018 02:35 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Another one...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ralphie...-2025-2026

And another...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theucon...jeff-brohm

I don't consider Colorado or Purdue to be upper level P5, do you? I do consider Florida, Penn State and Washington.