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(04-07-2021 06:07 AM)mac Wrote:  We do have a lot of guards that aren’t exactly tearing it up with shooting. This new bunch coming in next season sounds good but then again, when I read about Oliver coming he sounded like the answer too. Hope they are as good as I hope!

If Trice and Kalu stay, that would sure be a good thing. Now, let’s also hope there is a really good 6’7 - 6’10 transfer stretch type player who wants to play for the Monarchs. That would sure help.

6'10" to 7'0" is what we need and the portal is full of them. The question is can JJ land any of them? Based on his history, I think I already know the answer. BTW getting one of these players would free Kalu and Trice up to play the 4 which is their natural position for their size and abilities.
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(04-07-2021 08:34 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 06:07 AM)mac Wrote:  We do have a lot of guards that aren’t exactly tearing it up with shooting. This new bunch coming in next season sounds good but then again, when I read about Oliver coming he sounded like the answer too. Hope they are as good as I hope!

If Trice and Kalu stay, that would sure be a good thing. Now, let’s also hope there is a really good 6’7 - 6’10 transfer stretch type player who wants to play for the Monarchs. That would sure help.

6'10" to 7'0" is what we need and the portal is full of them. The question is can JJ land any of them? Based on his history, I think I already know the answer. BTW getting one of these players would free Kalu and Trice up to play the 4 which is their natural position for their size and abilities.

Noooooooooooo!!!!!! Trice cannot play the 4 in today's game!
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(04-07-2021 08:34 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 06:07 AM)mac Wrote:  We do have a lot of guards that aren’t exactly tearing it up with shooting. This new bunch coming in next season sounds good but then again, when I read about Oliver coming he sounded like the answer too. Hope they are as good as I hope!

If Trice and Kalu stay, that would sure be a good thing. Now, let’s also hope there is a really good 6’7 - 6’10 transfer stretch type player who wants to play for the Monarchs. That would sure help.

6'10" to 7'0" is what we need and the portal is full of them. The question is can JJ land any of them? Based on his history, I think I already know the answer. BTW getting one of these players would free Kalu and Trice up to play the 4 which is their natural position for their size and abilities.


Neither one of them shoots well enough to be the stretch 4 others on here argue we need (desperately). . . . And there may be a lot of 6-10 and 7-footers out there, how many can play? Really play, not just take up space? I don't know the answer, do you? Name a couple of them who might consider ODU.
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(04-05-2021 05:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 07:43 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I do not want a center if Kalu and Trice come back. We need to focus our attention on a stretch 4 that can actually shoot the basketball.

Absolutely!

If I were designing a basketball team and a system I would completely agree with you guys, but this is JJ's system and we have to accept what it is. It is guards that don't shoot that well, a lot of dribble penetration from guards and a fair amount of shots at the rim, mid range, and a pretty low shooting percentage. With that, I think we would be more successful with guys like Trice and Kalu at the 4, and another big body in the post and just being relentless on the glass. More like the BT/Tom Izzo approach. So, under the circumstances, I would say finding at least one guy in the 1-3 positions who can shoot it from 3 and 1 big rim protector in the post would have a greater positive impact on this team than a stretch 4 that, under JJ, will likely not even be allowed to shoot a ton from the perimeter.
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I've asked before but didn't see an answer. Do we have one slot left? Two? We got a shooting guard. Now I guess they will look to get a replacement for the 6'8" guy that left.
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(04-07-2021 09:09 AM)mac Wrote:  I've asked before but didn't see an answer. Do we have one slot left? Two? We got a shooting guard. Now I guess they will look to get a replacement for the 6'8" guy that left.

We had a slot created by Reece and one created by Alfis. Curry and Strother leaving opens nothing. We have one spot left unless another non-senior leaves.
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(04-07-2021 08:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 05:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 07:43 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I do not want a center if Kalu and Trice come back. We need to focus our attention on a stretch 4 that can actually shoot the basketball.

Absolutely!

If I were designing a basketball team and a system I would completely agree with you guys, but this is JJ's system and we have to accept what it is. It is guards that don't shoot that well, a lot of dribble penetration from guards and a fair amount of shots at the rim, mid range, and a pretty low shooting percentage. With that, I think we would be more successful with guys like Trice and Kalu at the 4, and another big body in the post and just being relentless on the glass. More like the BT/Tom Izzo approach. So, under the circumstances, I would say finding at least one guy in the 1-3 positions who can shoot it from 3 and 1 big rim protector in the post would have a greater positive impact on this team than a stretch 4 that, under JJ, will likely not even be allowed to shoot a ton from the perimeter.

Reece shot a lot from the perimeter. So did Arledge.

Its not like we have 1 system with no wavering from it. We typically run a lot of curls at the elbow with 1 big player and the “4” moving at the top of the key/perimter. It worked really well when we had a good passer like Taylor but he couldnt shoot. If we had someone that could pass and shoot at the top of the key, itnwould be very effective.

Having trice/Ezikpe and another center on the floor hurts all spacing and makes it very tough on defense bc Kalu/Trice are not good perimeter defenders.
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RE: Transfers
(04-07-2021 09:36 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 08:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 05:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 07:43 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I do not want a center if Kalu and Trice come back. We need to focus our attention on a stretch 4 that can actually shoot the basketball.

Absolutely!

If I were designing a basketball team and a system I would completely agree with you guys, but this is JJ's system and we have to accept what it is. It is guards that don't shoot that well, a lot of dribble penetration from guards and a fair amount of shots at the rim, mid range, and a pretty low shooting percentage. With that, I think we would be more successful with guys like Trice and Kalu at the 4, and another big body in the post and just being relentless on the glass. More like the BT/Tom Izzo approach. So, under the circumstances, I would say finding at least one guy in the 1-3 positions who can shoot it from 3 and 1 big rim protector in the post would have a greater positive impact on this team than a stretch 4 that, under JJ, will likely not even be allowed to shoot a ton from the perimeter.

Reece shot a lot from the perimeter. So did Arledge.

Its not like we have 1 system with no wavering from it. We typically run a lot of curls at the elbow with 1 big player and the “4” moving at the top of the key/perimter. It worked really well when we had a good passer like Taylor but he couldnt shoot. If we had someone that could pass and shoot at the top of the key, itnwould be very effective.

Having trice/Ezikpe and another center on the floor hurts all spacing and makes it very tough on defense bc Kalu/Trice are not good perimeter defenders.

Based upon what information are you making that statement? What if it was Kalu & Trice on the floor together? Essentially what you are saying is that 6'7" Denzel Taylor and 6'-7" Aaron Carver could defend that, but 6'-7" (probably not even that tall) Trice can't? He probably didn't play center at Kansas State, so who did he guard there?

Your statement might be true if every team had very quick 6'-3" guys playing the 4 position. Those that do would have their own problems trying to defend Kalu or Trice on the inside as they would be giving up size there.
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(04-07-2021 10:45 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 09:36 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 08:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 05:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 07:43 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I do not want a center if Kalu and Trice come back. We need to focus our attention on a stretch 4 that can actually shoot the basketball.

Absolutely!

If I were designing a basketball team and a system I would completely agree with you guys, but this is JJ's system and we have to accept what it is. It is guards that don't shoot that well, a lot of dribble penetration from guards and a fair amount of shots at the rim, mid range, and a pretty low shooting percentage. With that, I think we would be more successful with guys like Trice and Kalu at the 4, and another big body in the post and just being relentless on the glass. More like the BT/Tom Izzo approach. So, under the circumstances, I would say finding at least one guy in the 1-3 positions who can shoot it from 3 and 1 big rim protector in the post would have a greater positive impact on this team than a stretch 4 that, under JJ, will likely not even be allowed to shoot a ton from the perimeter.

Reece shot a lot from the perimeter. So did Arledge.

Its not like we have 1 system with no wavering from it. We typically run a lot of curls at the elbow with 1 big player and the “4” moving at the top of the key/perimter. It worked really well when we had a good passer like Taylor but he couldnt shoot. If we had someone that could pass and shoot at the top of the key, itnwould be very effective.

Having trice/Ezikpe and another center on the floor hurts all spacing and makes it very tough on defense bc Kalu/Trice are not good perimeter defenders.

Based upon what information are you making that statement? What if it was Kalu & Trice on the floor together? Essentially what you are saying is that 6'7" Denzel Taylor and 6'-7" Aaron Carver could defend that, but 6'-7" (probably not even that tall) Trice can't? He probably didn't play center at Kansas State, so who did he guard there?

Your statement might be true if every team had very quick 6'-3" guys playing the 4 position. Those that do would have their own problems trying to defend Kalu or Trice on the inside as they would be giving up size there.

He guarded only the big men at KSU. Taylor and Carver could both defend on the perimeter. Ezipke cannot guard on the perimeter, because as everyone who complains about him knows that he is foul prone. People on this board say things to fit their narrative. Does anyone remember how bad it was to have Taylor and Carver in the game in the paint? Double teams come and defenses easily recover. Neither one of these guys can play the 4.
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RE: Transfers
(04-07-2021 12:15 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 10:45 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 09:36 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 08:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 05:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Absolutely!

If I were designing a basketball team and a system I would completely agree with you guys, but this is JJ's system and we have to accept what it is. It is guards that don't shoot that well, a lot of dribble penetration from guards and a fair amount of shots at the rim, mid range, and a pretty low shooting percentage. With that, I think we would be more successful with guys like Trice and Kalu at the 4, and another big body in the post and just being relentless on the glass. More like the BT/Tom Izzo approach. So, under the circumstances, I would say finding at least one guy in the 1-3 positions who can shoot it from 3 and 1 big rim protector in the post would have a greater positive impact on this team than a stretch 4 that, under JJ, will likely not even be allowed to shoot a ton from the perimeter.

Reece shot a lot from the perimeter. So did Arledge.

Its not like we have 1 system with no wavering from it. We typically run a lot of curls at the elbow with 1 big player and the “4” moving at the top of the key/perimter. It worked really well when we had a good passer like Taylor but he couldnt shoot. If we had someone that could pass and shoot at the top of the key, itnwould be very effective.

Having trice/Ezikpe and another center on the floor hurts all spacing and makes it very tough on defense bc Kalu/Trice are not good perimeter defenders.

Based upon what information are you making that statement? What if it was Kalu & Trice on the floor together? Essentially what you are saying is that 6'7" Denzel Taylor and 6'-7" Aaron Carver could defend that, but 6'-7" (probably not even that tall) Trice can't? He probably didn't play center at Kansas State, so who did he guard there?

Your statement might be true if every team had very quick 6'-3" guys playing the 4 position. Those that do would have their own problems trying to defend Kalu or Trice on the inside as they would be giving up size there.

He guarded only the big men at KSU. Taylor and Carver could both defend on the perimeter. Ezipke cannot guard on the perimeter, because as everyone who complains about him knows that he is foul prone. People on this board say things to fit their narrative. Does anyone remember how bad it was to have Taylor and Carver in the game in the paint? Double teams come and defenses easily recover. Neither one of these guys can play the 4.

I believe you just did that very thing.
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(04-07-2021 12:38 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 12:15 PM)757ODU Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 10:45 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 09:36 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 08:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  If I were designing a basketball team and a system I would completely agree with you guys, but this is JJ's system and we have to accept what it is. It is guards that don't shoot that well, a lot of dribble penetration from guards and a fair amount of shots at the rim, mid range, and a pretty low shooting percentage. With that, I think we would be more successful with guys like Trice and Kalu at the 4, and another big body in the post and just being relentless on the glass. More like the BT/Tom Izzo approach. So, under the circumstances, I would say finding at least one guy in the 1-3 positions who can shoot it from 3 and 1 big rim protector in the post would have a greater positive impact on this team than a stretch 4 that, under JJ, will likely not even be allowed to shoot a ton from the perimeter.

Reece shot a lot from the perimeter. So did Arledge.

Its not like we have 1 system with no wavering from it. We typically run a lot of curls at the elbow with 1 big player and the “4” moving at the top of the key/perimter. It worked really well when we had a good passer like Taylor but he couldnt shoot. If we had someone that could pass and shoot at the top of the key, itnwould be very effective.

Having trice/Ezikpe and another center on the floor hurts all spacing and makes it very tough on defense bc Kalu/Trice are not good perimeter defenders.

Based upon what information are you making that statement? What if it was Kalu & Trice on the floor together? Essentially what you are saying is that 6'7" Denzel Taylor and 6'-7" Aaron Carver could defend that, but 6'-7" (probably not even that tall) Trice can't? He probably didn't play center at Kansas State, so who did he guard there?

Your statement might be true if every team had very quick 6'-3" guys playing the 4 position. Those that do would have their own problems trying to defend Kalu or Trice on the inside as they would be giving up size there.

He guarded only the big men at KSU. Taylor and Carver could both defend on the perimeter. Ezipke cannot guard on the perimeter, because as everyone who complains about him knows that he is foul prone. People on this board say things to fit their narrative. Does anyone remember how bad it was to have Taylor and Carver in the game in the paint? Double teams come and defenses easily recover. Neither one of these guys can play the 4.

I believe you just did that very thing.

Umm what would my narrative be? I've been calling for Jeff's job all year.
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(04-07-2021 08:34 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 06:07 AM)mac Wrote:  We do have a lot of guards that aren’t exactly tearing it up with shooting. This new bunch coming in next season sounds good but then again, when I read about Oliver coming he sounded like the answer too. Hope they are as good as I hope!

If Trice and Kalu stay, that would sure be a good thing. Now, let’s also hope there is a really good 6’7 - 6’10 transfer stretch type player who wants to play for the Monarchs. That would sure help.

6'10" to 7'0" is what we need and the portal is full of them. The question is can JJ land any of them? Based on his history, I think I already know the answer. BTW getting one of these players would free Kalu and Trice up to play the 4 which is their natural position for their size and abilities.

So all we need it a tall body? Do we care if he can actually catch or shoot the ball or play defense?
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(04-07-2021 01:21 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 08:34 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 06:07 AM)mac Wrote:  We do have a lot of guards that aren’t exactly tearing it up with shooting. This new bunch coming in next season sounds good but then again, when I read about Oliver coming he sounded like the answer too. Hope they are as good as I hope!

If Trice and Kalu stay, that would sure be a good thing. Now, let’s also hope there is a really good 6’7 - 6’10 transfer stretch type player who wants to play for the Monarchs. That would sure help.

6'10" to 7'0" is what we need and the portal is full of them. The question is can JJ land any of them? Based on his history, I think I already know the answer. BTW getting one of these players would free Kalu and Trice up to play the 4 which is their natural position for their size and abilities.

So all we need it a tall body? Do we care if he can actually catch or shoot the ball or play defense?

Anton L. Comes to mind. But he did get good grades and was a good guy.
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(04-07-2021 09:36 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 08:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 05:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 07:43 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I do not want a center if Kalu and Trice come back. We need to focus our attention on a stretch 4 that can actually shoot the basketball.

Absolutely!

If I were designing a basketball team and a system I would completely agree with you guys, but this is JJ's system and we have to accept what it is. It is guards that don't shoot that well, a lot of dribble penetration from guards and a fair amount of shots at the rim, mid range, and a pretty low shooting percentage. With that, I think we would be more successful with guys like Trice and Kalu at the 4, and another big body in the post and just being relentless on the glass. More like the BT/Tom Izzo approach. So, under the circumstances, I would say finding at least one guy in the 1-3 positions who can shoot it from 3 and 1 big rim protector in the post would have a greater positive impact on this team than a stretch 4 that, under JJ, will likely not even be allowed to shoot a ton from the perimeter.

Reece shot a lot from the perimeter. So did Arledge.

Its not like we have 1 system with no wavering from it. We typically run a lot of curls at the elbow with 1 big player and the “4” moving at the top of the key/perimter. It worked really well when we had a good passer like Taylor but he couldnt shoot. If we had someone that could pass and shoot at the top of the key, itnwould be very effective.

Having trice/Ezikpe and another center on the floor hurts all spacing and makes it very tough on defense bc Kalu/Trice are not good perimeter defenders.

It also worked fairly well because Taylor was a double digit rebound machine. You all are pretending that JJ is flexible? That is a lot of wishful thinking. The approach is what it is, and your argument is more of an indictment of how out of touch JJ is with modern basketball than anything else.

Three Point Attempts per game for big players. (Not counting guards that occasionally slipped into the 4.)

JJ Years
20-21 - 2.3
19-20 - 2.28
18-19 - .35 (CUSA Champs)
17-18 - .09
16-17 - .13
15-16 - 1.2 (NIT Run)
14-15 - 2.58 (Arledge 60)
13-14 - .30

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12-13 - 3.7 (Nick Wright attempted more than any JJ player other than Arledge)
11-12 - 1.79
10-11 - 1.87
09-10 - 2.58
08-09 - 4.22
07-08 - 2.88
06-07 - 4.81
05-06 - 5.03
04-05 - 4.06
03-04 - 3.03
02-03 - 1.25
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(04-07-2021 02:48 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 09:36 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 08:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 05:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 07:43 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I do not want a center if Kalu and Trice come back. We need to focus our attention on a stretch 4 that can actually shoot the basketball.

Absolutely!

If I were designing a basketball team and a system I would completely agree with you guys, but this is JJ's system and we have to accept what it is. It is guards that don't shoot that well, a lot of dribble penetration from guards and a fair amount of shots at the rim, mid range, and a pretty low shooting percentage. With that, I think we would be more successful with guys like Trice and Kalu at the 4, and another big body in the post and just being relentless on the glass. More like the BT/Tom Izzo approach. So, under the circumstances, I would say finding at least one guy in the 1-3 positions who can shoot it from 3 and 1 big rim protector in the post would have a greater positive impact on this team than a stretch 4 that, under JJ, will likely not even be allowed to shoot a ton from the perimeter.

Reece shot a lot from the perimeter. So did Arledge.

Its not like we have 1 system with no wavering from it. We typically run a lot of curls at the elbow with 1 big player and the “4” moving at the top of the key/perimter. It worked really well when we had a good passer like Taylor but he couldnt shoot. If we had someone that could pass and shoot at the top of the key, itnwould be very effective.

Having trice/Ezikpe and another center on the floor hurts all spacing and makes it very tough on defense bc Kalu/Trice are not good perimeter defenders.

It also worked fairly well because Taylor was a double digit rebound machine. You all are pretending that JJ is flexible? That is a lot of wishful thinking. The approach is what it is, and your argument is more of an indictment of how out of touch JJ is with modern basketball than anything else.

Three Point Attempts per game for big players. (Not counting guards that occasionally slipped into the 4.)

JJ Years
20-21 - 2.3
19-20 - 2.28
18-19 - .35 (CUSA Champs)
17-18 - .09
16-17 - .13
15-16 - 1.2 (NIT Run)
14-15 - 2.58 (Arledge 60)
13-14 - .30

BT Years
12-13 - 3.7 (Nick Wright attempted more than any JJ player other than Arledge)
11-12 - 1.79
10-11 - 1.87
09-10 - 2.58
08-09 - 4.22
07-08 - 2.88
06-07 - 4.81
05-06 - 5.03
04-05 - 4.06
03-04 - 3.03
02-03 - 1.25

Maybe they didn't shoot the 3 or JJ discouraged it becasue they knew they couldn't hit the three. It isn't like we had any really strong shooters inside the Arc, why would they suddenly want to jack up 3's all night? I mean even Freeman didn't shoot the three very well.
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RE: Transfers
(04-07-2021 02:52 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 02:48 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 09:36 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 08:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 05:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Absolutely!

If I were designing a basketball team and a system I would completely agree with you guys, but this is JJ's system and we have to accept what it is. It is guards that don't shoot that well, a lot of dribble penetration from guards and a fair amount of shots at the rim, mid range, and a pretty low shooting percentage. With that, I think we would be more successful with guys like Trice and Kalu at the 4, and another big body in the post and just being relentless on the glass. More like the BT/Tom Izzo approach. So, under the circumstances, I would say finding at least one guy in the 1-3 positions who can shoot it from 3 and 1 big rim protector in the post would have a greater positive impact on this team than a stretch 4 that, under JJ, will likely not even be allowed to shoot a ton from the perimeter.

Reece shot a lot from the perimeter. So did Arledge.

Its not like we have 1 system with no wavering from it. We typically run a lot of curls at the elbow with 1 big player and the “4” moving at the top of the key/perimter. It worked really well when we had a good passer like Taylor but he couldnt shoot. If we had someone that could pass and shoot at the top of the key, itnwould be very effective.

Having trice/Ezikpe and another center on the floor hurts all spacing and makes it very tough on defense bc Kalu/Trice are not good perimeter defenders.

It also worked fairly well because Taylor was a double digit rebound machine. You all are pretending that JJ is flexible? That is a lot of wishful thinking. The approach is what it is, and your argument is more of an indictment of how out of touch JJ is with modern basketball than anything else.

Three Point Attempts per game for big players. (Not counting guards that occasionally slipped into the 4.)

JJ Years
20-21 - 2.3
19-20 - 2.28
18-19 - .35 (CUSA Champs)
17-18 - .09
16-17 - .13
15-16 - 1.2 (NIT Run)
14-15 - 2.58 (Arledge 60)
13-14 - .30

BT Years
12-13 - 3.7 (Nick Wright attempted more than any JJ player other than Arledge)
11-12 - 1.79
10-11 - 1.87
09-10 - 2.58
08-09 - 4.22
07-08 - 2.88
06-07 - 4.81
05-06 - 5.03
04-05 - 4.06
03-04 - 3.03
02-03 - 1.25

Maybe they didn't shoot the 3 or JJ discouraged it becasue they knew they couldn't hit the three. It isn't like we had any really strong shooters inside the Arc, why would they suddenly want to jack up 3's all night? I mean even Freeman didn't shoot the three very well.

Then recruit dudes that can shoot the damn ball. Richard Ross was shooting more 3s than Kalu. Come on, you can convince me that Richard Ross was a better shooter than anyone.
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RE: Transfers
(04-07-2021 02:48 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 09:36 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 08:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 05:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 07:43 AM)757ODU Wrote:  I do not want a center if Kalu and Trice come back. We need to focus our attention on a stretch 4 that can actually shoot the basketball.

Absolutely!

If I were designing a basketball team and a system I would completely agree with you guys, but this is JJ's system and we have to accept what it is. It is guards that don't shoot that well, a lot of dribble penetration from guards and a fair amount of shots at the rim, mid range, and a pretty low shooting percentage. With that, I think we would be more successful with guys like Trice and Kalu at the 4, and another big body in the post and just being relentless on the glass. More like the BT/Tom Izzo approach. So, under the circumstances, I would say finding at least one guy in the 1-3 positions who can shoot it from 3 and 1 big rim protector in the post would have a greater positive impact on this team than a stretch 4 that, under JJ, will likely not even be allowed to shoot a ton from the perimeter.

Reece shot a lot from the perimeter. So did Arledge.

Its not like we have 1 system with no wavering from it. We typically run a lot of curls at the elbow with 1 big player and the “4” moving at the top of the key/perimter. It worked really well when we had a good passer like Taylor but he couldnt shoot. If we had someone that could pass and shoot at the top of the key, itnwould be very effective.

Having trice/Ezikpe and another center on the floor hurts all spacing and makes it very tough on defense bc Kalu/Trice are not good perimeter defenders.

It also worked fairly well because Taylor was a double digit rebound machine. You all are pretending that JJ is flexible? That is a lot of wishful thinking. The approach is what it is, and your argument is more of an indictment of how out of touch JJ is with modern basketball than anything else.

Three Point Attempts per game for big players. (Not counting guards that occasionally slipped into the 4.)

JJ Years
20-21 - 2.3
19-20 - 2.28
18-19 - .35 (CUSA Champs)
17-18 - .09
16-17 - .13
15-16 - 1.2 (NIT Run)
14-15 - 2.58 (Arledge 60)
13-14 - .30

BT Years
12-13 - 3.7 (Nick Wright attempted more than any JJ player other than Arledge)
11-12 - 1.79
10-11 - 1.87
09-10 - 2.58
08-09 - 4.22
07-08 - 2.88
06-07 - 4.81
05-06 - 5.03
04-05 - 4.06
03-04 - 3.03
02-03 - 1.25

I am the first to post dislike for our offensive approach, we take way too many long 2s. OUr offensive approach is very old school in terms of inefficient jumpers. Luckily our defense/rebounding is typically really good.

When I was referenced Arledge and Reece, I was talking about jumpers outside of the paint. Both took a lot of shots outside of the paint. Ross, Ezikpe, Robinson, Porter did not.

How can anyone watch Ezikpe and Trice and believe either can guard typical 4s in the college game? Its not about height...Carver (who was more like 6-5) guarded guys on the perimeter because of his quickness/agility. Trice cannot. And on the offensive end, neither are good passers or outside shooters so planting them in the paint solves nothing.
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RE: Transfers
(04-07-2021 03:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 02:52 PM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 02:48 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 09:36 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 08:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  If I were designing a basketball team and a system I would completely agree with you guys, but this is JJ's system and we have to accept what it is. It is guards that don't shoot that well, a lot of dribble penetration from guards and a fair amount of shots at the rim, mid range, and a pretty low shooting percentage. With that, I think we would be more successful with guys like Trice and Kalu at the 4, and another big body in the post and just being relentless on the glass. More like the BT/Tom Izzo approach. So, under the circumstances, I would say finding at least one guy in the 1-3 positions who can shoot it from 3 and 1 big rim protector in the post would have a greater positive impact on this team than a stretch 4 that, under JJ, will likely not even be allowed to shoot a ton from the perimeter.

Reece shot a lot from the perimeter. So did Arledge.

Its not like we have 1 system with no wavering from it. We typically run a lot of curls at the elbow with 1 big player and the “4” moving at the top of the key/perimter. It worked really well when we had a good passer like Taylor but he couldnt shoot. If we had someone that could pass and shoot at the top of the key, itnwould be very effective.

Having trice/Ezikpe and another center on the floor hurts all spacing and makes it very tough on defense bc Kalu/Trice are not good perimeter defenders.

It also worked fairly well because Taylor was a double digit rebound machine. You all are pretending that JJ is flexible? That is a lot of wishful thinking. The approach is what it is, and your argument is more of an indictment of how out of touch JJ is with modern basketball than anything else.

Three Point Attempts per game for big players. (Not counting guards that occasionally slipped into the 4.)

JJ Years
20-21 - 2.3
19-20 - 2.28
18-19 - .35 (CUSA Champs)
17-18 - .09
16-17 - .13
15-16 - 1.2 (NIT Run)
14-15 - 2.58 (Arledge 60)
13-14 - .30

BT Years
12-13 - 3.7 (Nick Wright attempted more than any JJ player other than Arledge)
11-12 - 1.79
10-11 - 1.87
09-10 - 2.58
08-09 - 4.22
07-08 - 2.88
06-07 - 4.81
05-06 - 5.03
04-05 - 4.06
03-04 - 3.03
02-03 - 1.25

Maybe they didn't shoot the 3 or JJ discouraged it becasue they knew they couldn't hit the three. It isn't like we had any really strong shooters inside the Arc, why would they suddenly want to jack up 3's all night? I mean even Freeman didn't shoot the three very well.

Then recruit dudes that can shoot the damn ball. Richard Ross was shooting more 3s than Kalu. Come on, you can convince me that Richard Ross was a better shooter than anyone.

Richard Ross may not have been a decent shooter, but we have an offensive rebounding juggernaut that made taking chances on a 3 more palatable becasue we were likely to get the rebound and get an easy 2 or the and 1
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RE: Transfers
(04-07-2021 03:59 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 02:48 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 09:36 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(04-07-2021 08:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(04-05-2021 05:30 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Absolutely!

If I were designing a basketball team and a system I would completely agree with you guys, but this is JJ's system and we have to accept what it is. It is guards that don't shoot that well, a lot of dribble penetration from guards and a fair amount of shots at the rim, mid range, and a pretty low shooting percentage. With that, I think we would be more successful with guys like Trice and Kalu at the 4, and another big body in the post and just being relentless on the glass. More like the BT/Tom Izzo approach. So, under the circumstances, I would say finding at least one guy in the 1-3 positions who can shoot it from 3 and 1 big rim protector in the post would have a greater positive impact on this team than a stretch 4 that, under JJ, will likely not even be allowed to shoot a ton from the perimeter.

Reece shot a lot from the perimeter. So did Arledge.

Its not like we have 1 system with no wavering from it. We typically run a lot of curls at the elbow with 1 big player and the “4” moving at the top of the key/perimter. It worked really well when we had a good passer like Taylor but he couldnt shoot. If we had someone that could pass and shoot at the top of the key, itnwould be very effective.

Having trice/Ezikpe and another center on the floor hurts all spacing and makes it very tough on defense bc Kalu/Trice are not good perimeter defenders.

It also worked fairly well because Taylor was a double digit rebound machine. You all are pretending that JJ is flexible? That is a lot of wishful thinking. The approach is what it is, and your argument is more of an indictment of how out of touch JJ is with modern basketball than anything else.

Three Point Attempts per game for big players. (Not counting guards that occasionally slipped into the 4.)

JJ Years
20-21 - 2.3
19-20 - 2.28
18-19 - .35 (CUSA Champs)
17-18 - .09
16-17 - .13
15-16 - 1.2 (NIT Run)
14-15 - 2.58 (Arledge 60)
13-14 - .30

BT Years
12-13 - 3.7 (Nick Wright attempted more than any JJ player other than Arledge)
11-12 - 1.79
10-11 - 1.87
09-10 - 2.58
08-09 - 4.22
07-08 - 2.88
06-07 - 4.81
05-06 - 5.03
04-05 - 4.06
03-04 - 3.03
02-03 - 1.25

I am the first to post dislike for our offensive approach, we take way too many long 2s. OUr offensive approach is very old school in terms of inefficient jumpers. Luckily our defense/rebounding is typically really good.

When I was referenced Arledge and Reece, I was talking about jumpers outside of the paint. Both took a lot of shots outside of the paint. Ross, Ezikpe, Robinson, Porter did not.

How can anyone watch Ezikpe and Trice and believe either can guard typical 4s in the college game? Its not about height...Carver (who was more like 6-5) guarded guys on the perimeter because of his quickness/agility. Trice cannot. And on the offensive end, neither are good passers or outside shooters so planting them in the paint solves nothing.

Is Trice a legitimate 6'-7" (or actually shorter)? Are you saying that Trice isn't quick and agile? Are you saying that both Aaron Carver and Denzel Taylor could play the 4, but Trice isn't capable of doing it? I'd be surprised if 6'-7" Trice was mostly playing the 5 (if he played any 5 at all) at Kansas State on a team that had 6'-8", 6'-9", 6'-9", 6'-10", and 6'-11" on their roster.

If on the offensive end neither Kalu or Trice "are good passers or outside shooters", and "planting them in the paint solves nothing", where exactly should they be playing on the offensive end (in your opinion of course)?
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So is the plan to start both Kalu and Trice next year? If not, we get smaller then we already are. You can't realistically think you can win games at this level starting a 5'11" PG, 6'2" SG, 6'5" SF, 6'5" PF and 6'7" C? Why even play the games. Everyone seems convinced that we can't recruit a 6'10" to 7'0" quality big man? Maybe with JJ that is true but why not try. Do we always want to be the little guy trying to slay the giant?
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