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(12-13-2018 09:31 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 08:00 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 07:00 PM)Rational Cat Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 06:46 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 06:29 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  Why would the P5 give a spot to the G5?

What he said...

This.

They’re gonna do everything they can to block us out. It’s their show, and while we’re going to be invited, publicly, to try, they will make it impossible to actually make it happen.

The big boys were not amused when UC played in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl games 10 years ago. And neither was ESPN.

Rational indeed

Meh. Some of the better games in the BCS were Boise St/ UCF/ Utah/ etc games. People love a David vs. Goliath narrative. ESPECIALLY when David wins. Our games were unfortunate b/c they just weren't all that competitive. Which in turn unfairly fuels the narrative that we didn't belong.





mc

I agree, but I'd add "when they have a chance to win." That's why I think UCF in the playoff would be a media and rating bonanza. Now, what I think people have no desire in seeing is some 3 loss sunbelt champ being nailed upon a cross in Tuscaloosa or Columbus. That's why I think the demands for a 12 or 16 team playoff with all champs included is mistaken and ill-advised. Get one G5 in the playoff that has a chance to win and take it from there. Get 3 or 4 more in that end up in inevitable blowouts, and it weakens the position of all G5 teams.

(12-14-2018 05:33 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  In follow up to my last post, here is an excellent article highlighting 21 years of “excuses” why teams should be excluded

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnatio...undefeated

This article tho. lololol. So good.



mc

(12-14-2018 08:19 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 09:31 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 08:00 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 07:00 PM)Rational Cat Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 06:46 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  What he said...

This.

They’re gonna do everything they can to block us out. It’s their show, and while we’re going to be invited, publicly, to try, they will make it impossible to actually make it happen.

The big boys were not amused when UC played in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl games 10 years ago. And neither was ESPN.

Rational indeed

Meh. Some of the better games in the BCS were Boise St/ UCF/ Utah/ etc games. People love a David vs. Goliath narrative. ESPECIALLY when David wins. Our games were unfortunate b/c they just weren't all that competitive. Which in turn unfairly fuels the narrative that we didn't belong.





mc

I agree, but I'd add "when they have a chance to win." That's why I think UCF in the playoff would be a media and rating bonanza. Now, what I think people have no desire in seeing is some 3 loss sunbelt champ being nailed upon a cross in Tuscaloosa or Columbus. That's why I think the demands for a 12 or 16 team playoff with all champs included is mistaken and ill-advised. Get one G5 in the playoff that has a chance to win and take it from there. Get 3 or 4 more in that end up in inevitable blowouts, and it weakens the position of all G5 teams.

A format like this will basically guarantee that a G5 never comes close to the championship game, much less wins it. That would entail winning 3 straight games against top shelf size/speed P5 schools. One thing that separates G5 from P5 are depth and size. You may be able to pull off an upset once with an all-in game plan, but not in three straight games in big time college football. Think Boise St would beat an OU in three straight in that year, or UCF would beat Auburn three straight last season? Also factor in the G5 school will always be the #8 seed, and have the toughest path to the CG. Bigger, better athletes usually wins out in the long run. In a four school format, they have an outside shot, in the 8 school format, no way.

(12-14-2018 08:47 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(12-14-2018 08:19 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 09:31 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 08:00 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 07:00 PM)Rational Cat Wrote:  This.

They’re gonna do everything they can to block us out. It’s their show, and while we’re going to be invited, publicly, to try, they will make it impossible to actually make it happen.

The big boys were not amused when UC played in the Orange Bowl and Sugar Bowl games 10 years ago. And neither was ESPN.

Rational indeed

Meh. Some of the better games in the BCS were Boise St/ UCF/ Utah/ etc games. People love a David vs. Goliath narrative. ESPECIALLY when David wins. Our games were unfortunate b/c they just weren't all that competitive. Which in turn unfairly fuels the narrative that we didn't belong.





mc

I agree, but I'd add "when they have a chance to win." That's why I think UCF in the playoff would be a media and rating bonanza. Now, what I think people have no desire in seeing is some 3 loss sunbelt champ being nailed upon a cross in Tuscaloosa or Columbus. That's why I think the demands for a 12 or 16 team playoff with all champs included is mistaken and ill-advised. Get one G5 in the playoff that has a chance to win and take it from there. Get 3 or 4 more in that end up in inevitable blowouts, and it weakens the position of all G5 teams.

A format like this will basically guarantee that a G5 never comes close to the championship game, much less wins it. That would entail winning 3 straight games against top shelf size/speed P5 schools. One thing that separates G5 from P5 are depth and size. You may be able to pull off an upset once with an all-in game plan, but not in three straight games in big time college football. Think Boise St would beat an OU in three straight in that year, or UCF would beat Auburn three straight last season? Also factor in the G5 school will always be the #8 seed, and have the toughest path to the CG. Bigger, better athletes usually wins out in the long run. In a four school format, they have an outside shot, in the 8 school format, no way.

This is probably very true. Would be tough to beat 3 in 3, but at least they would get their shot. Though a lot of these P5 schools don't utilize their depth like they should. They play mostly the same players and your path would get a little easier if you took out #1 since you'd get the 4/5 match-up next. Again, will be a brutally tough game and the odds are long. But I'd rather have a shot then no chance at all.

I figure a non-P5 would need a super special season to have any chance at all of getting in with 4 teams. I still worry that if UC beat O$U next season and both teams ran the table, that we would be 5th at best, while O$U would get in. Even with 2 P5 scalps next season and some solid AAC games, we might not get in. But that is the type of schedule you need to play (Note to UCF).

^^ Agree. The thing I would add is I think access to the CFP would actually improve recruiting and coaching retention for G5 schools, thus improving depth and talent on the G5 rosters. Right now some kids are just dismissing G5 schools they are interested in because they want a chance to go to the CFP.

(12-14-2018 09:01 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  

(12-14-2018 08:47 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(12-14-2018 08:19 AM)Bearcat 1985 Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 09:31 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(12-13-2018 08:00 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Rational indeed

Meh. Some of the better games in the BCS were Boise St/ UCF/ Utah/ etc games. People love a David vs. Goliath narrative. ESPECIALLY when David wins. Our games were unfortunate b/c they just weren't all that competitive. Which in turn unfairly fuels the narrative that we didn't belong.





mc

I agree, but I'd add "when they have a chance to win." That's why I think UCF in the playoff would be a media and rating bonanza. Now, what I think people have no desire in seeing is some 3 loss sunbelt champ being nailed upon a cross in Tuscaloosa or Columbus. That's why I think the demands for a 12 or 16 team playoff with all champs included is mistaken and ill-advised. Get one G5 in the playoff that has a chance to win and take it from there. Get 3 or 4 more in that end up in inevitable blowouts, and it weakens the position of all G5 teams.

A format like this will basically guarantee that a G5 never comes close to the championship game, much less wins it. That would entail winning 3 straight games against top shelf size/speed P5 schools. One thing that separates G5 from P5 are depth and size. You may be able to pull off an upset once with an all-in game plan, but not in three straight games in big time college football. Think Boise St would beat an OU in three straight in that year, or UCF would beat Auburn three straight last season? Also factor in the G5 school will always be the #8 seed, and have the toughest path to the CG. Bigger, better athletes usually wins out in the long run. In a four school format, they have an outside shot, in the 8 school format, no way.

This is probably very true. Would be tough to beat 3 in 3, but at least they would get their shot. Though a lot of these P5 schools don't utilize their depth like they should. They play mostly the same players and your path would get a little easier if you took out #1 since you'd get the 4/5 match-up next. Again, will be a brutally tough game and the odds are long. But I'd rather have a shot then no chance at all.

I figure a non-P5 would need a super special season to have any chance at all of getting in with 4 teams. I still worry that if UC beat O$U next season and both teams ran the table, that we would be 5th at best, while O$U would get in. Even with 2 P5 scalps next season and some solid AAC games, we might not get in. But that is the type of schedule you need to play (Note to UCF).

Bolded, true. But with the eight team scenario and a guaranteed G5 slot, it can't be argued that the best of the G schools didn't have an opportunity to compete for a championship.

With that said, one of Tuberville's few statements that I agreed with over the years was that only 12-15 schools have a realistic chance to compete for a football national championship. Recent history supports his argument. So a guaranteed pathway to a playoff game for the G5 is better than the access bowl. Coupled with some better bowl affiliations and a killer TV deal, it would make the AAC more attractive as our current home.

But the real solution remains the P5 for UC. Not as an easier pathway to the elusive playoff, but to provide an exciting regular season schedule, access to higher profile bowl games and the financial resources to continue pursuing championships in multiple men's and women's sports.

(12-14-2018 12:03 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I mean, David v. Goliath games sell, but it needs to be the right fit. The Boise St.-Oklahoma game drew excellent ratings. It's one of the most memorable CFB games in recent memory. I still see clips of it til this day. The statue of liberty may forever be tied to Boise St. because of it.

What they want to avoid are the stinkers. Colt Brennan and Hawaii getting blown out by Georgia does nothing for nobody. But UCF getting a shot at Bama? That's another story. They don't care about splitting the pot if it's filled with more gold.

Today ESPN is selling 3 games to their advertisers without a Cinderella team. ESPN can sell 7 games to advertisers with a Cinderella (G-5) team, probably as an 6 to 8 seed. And how to you ensure the best G-5 brand? You give the AAC $13M - $15M per team with the addition of BYU and Boise.

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(12-14-2018 09:30 AM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  

(12-14-2018 12:03 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I mean, David v. Goliath games sell, but it needs to be the right fit. The Boise St.-Oklahoma game drew excellent ratings. It's one of the most memorable CFB games in recent memory. I still see clips of it til this day. The statue of liberty may forever be tied to Boise St. because of it.

What they want to avoid are the stinkers. Colt Brennan and Hawaii getting blown out by Georgia does nothing for nobody. But UCF getting a shot at Bama? That's another story. They don't care about splitting the pot if it's filled with more gold.

Today ESPN is selling 3 games to their advertisers without a Cinderella team. ESPN can sell 7 games to advertisers with a Cinderella (G-5) team, probably as an 6 to 8 seed. And how to you ensure the best G-5 brand? You give the AAC $13M - $15M per team with the addition of BYU and Boise.

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BYU and Boise? Yes; let's go all in and take those as the remaining big brands so the AAC would at least be the de facto G5 slot, if not the explicit one. If those are football only, the travel can be managed.

So long as UC must remain in the American, we want it to be as strong as possible. If you put those two schools in a western division, UC would only play each twice in a four year window and only make the trip west once every four years. Heck, in four years, we all may be in different conferences. Let's go for it and continue the P6 narrative.

The only reason the SEC would agree to 8 is if they had a chance to get 3 teams in. So any system would have to allow for that.

(12-14-2018 11:31 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  The only reason the SEC would agree to 8 is if they had a chance to get 3 teams in. So any system would have to allow for that.

Conference champ plus the two wild cards, so in that scenario they could get three in the mix.

Wouldn't it be great if in the first year of an 8 team playoff with a G5 auto bid... we kick a last second FG to beat UCF and take the spot.

Man, that would be hilarious.

With Boise and BYU in the AAC West, what team's would shift on the East?
Navy, Memphis, or Tulane?

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(12-14-2018 01:49 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  With Boise and BYU in the AAC West, what team's would shift on the East?
Navy, Memphis, or Tulane?

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My understanding is that Navy forced themselves into the west for recruiting purposes. Memphis would most likely prefer the switch as I'm doubting many of their players/ students come from west of Memphis. And Tulane is dog **** so they will do what they are told.

ND's Brian Kelly sees "appetite" to expand CFP. Favors 8 team Playoff

(12-14-2018 03:28 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  

(12-14-2018 01:49 PM)Bearcatdh58 Wrote:  With Boise and BYU in the AAC West, what team's would shift on the East?
Navy, Memphis, or Tulane?

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My understanding is that Navy forced themselves into the west for recruiting purposes. Memphis would most likely prefer the switch as I'm doubting many of their players/ students come from west of Memphis. And Tulane is dog **** so they will do what they are told.

Move Tulane and Navy and if Navy objects invite Army to replace them.

Good. Bearcat fans got to hear from the head of the largest cartel. Brett Sankey, "NO PLAYOFF EXPANSION!!!"

Thread can now go away.

(12-15-2018 09:05 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Good. Bearcat fans got to hear from the head of the largest cartel. Brett Sankey, "NO PLAYOFF EXPANSION!!!"

Thread can now go away.

Back at in the day I used to thin Notre Damev and BYU were the biggest problems in college sports due to how demanding they were with semi-special status. Those two don’t even come close to the SEC, Big Ten, Texas, ESPN, and FOX. That group is why college sports has become the modern day cartel it is today.

(12-14-2018 12:50 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Wouldn't it be great if in the first year of an 8 team playoff with a G5 auto bid... we kick a last second FG to beat UCF and take the spot.

Man, that would be hilarious.

You have seen our kicking game, right?

(12-16-2018 12:27 PM)bearcatseminole Wrote:  

(12-14-2018 12:50 PM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  Wouldn't it be great if in the first year of an 8 team playoff with a G5 auto bid... we kick a last second FG to beat UCF and take the spot.

Man, that would be hilarious.

You have seen our kicking game, right?

Have you seen it in the year 2030?

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Talk is talk. Action is another thing entirely. The P5 won't easily change from their kung fu money grip. Put it another way, we're the guys making $60k a year trying to get a date with a Supermodel...

Quote:If you think (hope?) the College Football Playoff is expanding anytime soon, don't be so sure. Despite a recent brouhaha about the size of the playoff -- a discussion that has been percolating for a while -- the sport's decision-makers sound content with the status quo. Speaking to USA Today's George Schroeder, Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby was one of many power conference commissioners who repeated that there was no widespread need among university presidents to expand the playoff from four to eight.

The Power Five conference commissioners -- who created the system and would make any alterations -- say they remain largely satisfied, that it is working as intended. And although some say they would not be opposed to considering something different at some point, they see no reason – and insist there is no impetus – to explore significant change now.

"Four works," Bowlsby told USA TODAY by text message on Sunday, reiterating a point he has consistently made. "It was hard to get to four with lots of compromises. We should be thoughtful, but shouldn't refuse to discuss."

Of course, it's easy for Bowlsby to find the positive spin in this. Big 12 champion Oklahoma is in the playoff for the third time in four years, and will take on top-seeded Alabama in the Orange Bowl on Dec. 29. Moreover, the return of the Big 12 Championship Game ended up being beneficial this season in the Sooners' playoff campaign. Theoretically, Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany, whose conference has missed the playoff for two straight seasons and whose champion has been omitted in three straight years, and Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott should be the ones grandstanding for an expanded field. Combined, those two conferences had just three teams appear in the past four years and have been shut out in two straight years.

However, Scott told reporters as recently as this month "Felt then, feel now, four is absolutely the right number," and Delany echoed a similar sentiment following the announcement of this year's playoff field. Then again, Delany is a well-documented advocate for the Rose Bowl being the biggest end game of them all. Even in disappointment of being left out, the men who should be the playoff's biggest critics find ways to toe the line.

There's an understandable reason as to why. The playoff was created and shaped to increase revenues for power conferences, not grant access to more teams, especially those from outside the chosen few. Moreover, there's almost nothing a Group of Five team can do to make the top four, try as it may.

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