(12-09-2018 12:41 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  I wish we knew the details about why UCF paid to end the UF series early.

Here's what I do know. When that series was signed, UCF was playing in the Citrus Bowl with no intention of ever leaving. The game that was bought was a UCF home game. I cannot imagine CUSA pressuring a team to give up a home game vs the SEC. Even in a blow out loss, a home game against an SEC looks good for the conference. Also as a MAC / CUSA team 100K is a lot of money, not to mention what the game would have made in tickets and concessions.

Here's my theory: The contract was for the game to be played @ the Citrus Bowl. Which was either being renovated at the time or going to cost UCF a butt load to rent for 1 game. Plus UCF and Florida Citrus Sports were not on good terms (run by Gators)

You cancelled twice after getting smoked 42-0. You can come up with as many hypotheses as you want but the most likely reason is you would rather take 100k then play a team that was at the top of cfb

UF made an offer and UCF said no. It isn't a big deal.. UCF fans for the most part don't care, and either do UF fans.

I don't think a 1 n 1 would be good for UF, and don't think a 2 for 1 is good for UCF. So no deal was made.

(12-09-2018 01:47 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  What else would mean most valuable besides money? Spiritually?

Dude just give it a rest, you are wrong. Uf doesn't need ucf, they are not equals. Maybe in the future if realignment occurs. ucf should've taken the deal. Beating UF 1-3 times does a lot more for them then claiming anything.

I was talking about on the field and how much a team is worth to networks. Eyeballs watching a team, nationally. Florida is a regional power, not national. So we are talking apples and oranges whether you want to admit it or not.

If 'Bama, Oklahoma, or ND make an offer of 2 for 1 than by all means yes. Temple takes that offer from Penn State when offered and they've taken it from Notre Dame. The LINC is full, with scalpers, when those teams come there. I doubt it would be 2/3 full for Florida.

Those are national programs, not Florida, which is regional power, and would not draw anywhere but in the south east. I can't remember the last time I tuned in for a Florida game. I can't remember anyone from my home area talking about Florida. There simply is no interest here. 'Bama, Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma get talked about often here.

(12-09-2018 09:09 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Play the games, beat UF, they shut up & UCF get more respect. Long before there was UCF playing FCS level FB, FSU was one of us & Bowden played the big boys of the day anywhere they'd play. Now FSU is a member of the club.

Totally different era. There was no BCS then, no Power 5 conferences, bowls could pick any team they wanted. No “playoff” committee.

Florida State could never do what they did in the current climate. They’d be treated just like UCF- as an outsider who can’t break the glass ceiling.

Let’s be honest- UCF could take Florida’s deal, beat their ass 3 times in a row and what will change? Nothing. Then everyone will say Florida sucks and UCF didn’t play enough power 5 teams. UCF couldn’t play an SEC schedule, blah blah blah.

And you could insert any other AAC team in UCFs spot. Houston has made runs, USF, ECU has beaten a ton of P5 teams over the years. It doesn’t matter the powers that be will always come up with another excuse and move the goalposts on us. The only hope is the expanded playoff with an auto bid for the best G5 champ. We have to get that.

It’s a joke

(12-09-2018 02:18 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 01:47 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  What else would mean most valuable besides money? Spiritually?

Dude just give it a rest, you are wrong. Uf doesn't need ucf, they are not equals. Maybe in the future if realignment occurs. ucf should've taken the deal. Beating UF 1-3 times does a lot more for them then claiming anything.

I was talking about on the field and how much a team is worth to networks. Eyeballs watching a team, nationally. Florida is a regional power, not national. So we are talking apples and oranges whether you want to admit it or not.

If 'Bama, Oklahoma, or ND make an offer of 2 for 1 than by all means yes. Temple takes that offer from Penn State when offered and they've taken it from Notre Dame. The LINC is full, with scalpers, when those teams come there. I doubt it would be 2/3 full for Florida.

Those are national programs, not Florida, which is regional power, and would not draw anywhere but in the south east. I can't remember the last time I tuned in for a Florida game. I can't remember anyone from my home area talking about Florida. There simply is no interest here. 'Bama, Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma get talked about often here.

Penn State game would sell out in Pennsylvania? Crazy! That would be a psu home game lol

Every school can be considered a regional power. I would say the only national school would be ND.

Your interest has nothing to do with how big a program is.

I gave you facts. You talk out of your ass

(12-09-2018 02:09 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  UF made an offer and UCF said no. It isn't a big deal.. UCF fans for the most part don't care, and either do UF fans.

I don't think a 1 n 1 would be good for UF, and don't think a 2 for 1 is good for UCF. So no deal was made.

Every time CFP rankings are discussed next season on TV, everyone will be reminded that UCF refused to play UF........

(12-07-2018 11:27 PM)First Mate Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 07:21 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  That’s a great sound bite...why not compromise with a 3-2? UF-UCF-UF-UCF-UF

Why not home and home? UCF is right. I’m so sick of these P5 ******** thinking they are better than everyone and don’t have to do a fair deal.

Agreed. And if they are that much better they shouldn't be afraid to play us on our field. They already have a financial and recruiting advantage. And let's not forget the ESPN advantage. Home field advantage is worth at least a touchdown in a game like that.

UCF made the right decision in turning down the 2:1. But talking about it in the media... I’m not so sure that was the right decision.

(12-09-2018 02:42 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 02:18 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 01:47 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  What else would mean most valuable besides money? Spiritually?

Dude just give it a rest, you are wrong. Uf doesn't need ucf, they are not equals. Maybe in the future if realignment occurs. ucf should've taken the deal. Beating UF 1-3 times does a lot more for them then claiming anything.

I was talking about on the field and how much a team is worth to networks. Eyeballs watching a team, nationally. Florida is a regional power, not national. So we are talking apples and oranges whether you want to admit it or not.

If 'Bama, Oklahoma, or ND make an offer of 2 for 1 than by all means yes. Temple takes that offer from Penn State when offered and they've taken it from Notre Dame. The LINC is full, with scalpers, when those teams come there. I doubt it would be 2/3 full for Florida.

Those are national programs, not Florida, which is regional power, and would not draw anywhere but in the south east. I can't remember the last time I tuned in for a Florida game. I can't remember anyone from my home area talking about Florida. There simply is no interest here. 'Bama, Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma get talked about often here.

Penn State game would sell out in Pennsylvania? Crazy! That would be a psu home game lol

Every school can be considered a regional power. I would say the only national school would be ND.

Your interest has nothing to do with how big a program is.

I gave you facts. You talk out of your ass

I'm just saying that I wouldn't take a Florida two for one regardless. There is nothing to gain there, no recruiting advantage, nothing to gain.

If Memphis was offered the same deal, they should turn it down too. They are a program that went over two decades without playing an ooc game outside the state of Florida (I know UCF is in Florida but just stating how regional they are). They would never complete the deal. They are not a good trading partner, can't be trusted.

(12-09-2018 03:30 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  UCF made the right decision in turning down the 2:1. But talking about it in the media... I’m not so sure that was the right decision.

Well hang on, all this ever was was talking about stuff in the media.
It's not like some intrepid reporter uncovered emails or meeting minutes of an exchange between the two. Florida's AD was asked about it in a Peach Bowl media event and said what he said, which could certainly have been construed as a bit of a power play.
White then responded with a statement staking out UCF's position.

It was a hypothetical, not an actual offer.

(12-09-2018 06:06 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 03:30 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  UCF made the right decision in turning down the 2:1. But talking about it in the media... I’m not so sure that was the right decision.

Well hang on, all this ever was was talking about stuff in the media.
It's not like some intrepid reporter uncovered emails or meeting minutes of an exchange between the two. Florida's AD was asked about it in a Peach Bowl media event and said what he said, which could certainly have been construed as a bit of a power play.
White then responded with a statement staking out UCF's position.

It was a hypothetical, not an actual offer.

Hit the nail on the head. He also stated "in the right situation." This is all hypothetical.

(12-09-2018 06:18 PM)otown Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 06:06 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 03:30 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  UCF made the right decision in turning down the 2:1. But talking about it in the media... I’m not so sure that was the right decision.

Well hang on, all this ever was was talking about stuff in the media.
It's not like some intrepid reporter uncovered emails or meeting minutes of an exchange between the two. Florida's AD was asked about it in a Peach Bowl media event and said what he said, which could certainly have been construed as a bit of a power play.
White then responded with a statement staking out UCF's position.

It was a hypothetical, not an actual offer.

Hit the nail on the head. He also stated "in the right situation." This is all hypothetical.

Right situation is 2-1 with Citrus Bowl being one. The guy is taking heat for ducking UCF in the Peach so he is trying to say...see we are trying...lol

There is no offer

(12-09-2018 08:30 AM)Ocalabull Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 11:18 PM)atsKnight Wrote:   What makes you think that we wouldn't have been left out if we had a better schedule? Because the P5 told you?

If you would've had some top 25 wins in there, you would've been in. I hate the P5 just as much as the next guy in here but if you play a cupcake schedule you shouldn't get in above a one loss team that is playing a good schedule.

This is not an answer to the question. I'm asking for a reason, any possible reason, why you would think that the P5 is good for their word on this.

Yes, I know that they SAID that they would let us in if our schedule was better, but last year they SAID that they would take us seriously if we went undefeated again. Then they SAID that they couldn't count last year and each year had to stand on it's own.

Semi-real question: Are you from some small rural town and you were taught to trust everything anyone says?

(12-08-2018 11:02 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 10:44 PM)atsKnight Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 10:34 PM)Ocalabull Wrote:  Obviously you don't understand, fair or not, blueblood P5 schools don't have to play ucf or any AAC schools.

ucf can't have their cake and eat it too. Either, play anyone anywhere and play for a real championship or only make "fair deals" and play a bad schedule with mediocre P5 schools and be left out.

I think the point we're trying to make is that we're going to be left out no matter what happens. Why not take the program building route if they're going to bash us, regardless?

Otherwise, we're just negotiating with ourselves.
"Oh, G5s need to beat P5s in NY6 Bowls before we get respect? Ok.
Oh, you meant that we need to have one team do well two years in a row before we're considered? Ok.
Oh, you meant that the team needs to go undefeated twice? Ok.
Oh, you meant we need to take every 2for1 offered, THEN go undefeated twice in a row? Sounds like a plan."

Out of your 25 wins, the only one they will respect is the Auburn game.

If you played a better schedule, you wouldn't have been left out.

LOL!!

Says who?

You sound like a Gator or Bama fan of a team that will never sign a home-home with UCF (i.e. complain about their schedule but NEVER schedule them in a home-home).

PS. Maybe if UCF wouldn't beat so many teams like Cinci and Pitt this year or Memphis (twice) and usf last year, those teams would have been ranked high and then UCF could have had quality "losses" that seem all the rage these days.

The guy was stretching hard to justify the cfp calling it transparent. He had to leave the room when UF was discussed...lol. only sport that is settled by old guys in a closed room. Nobody from the AAC involved. Sure it would be fair...

I'm sorry but this is stupid when your team is on the outside looking in 2 years in a row for not having played any decent teams out of conference.

(12-09-2018 08:03 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  I'm sorry but this is stupid when your team is on the outside looking in 2 years in a row for not having played any decent teams out of conference.

So Pitt's 9 national championships don't count? How about their 12-3-2 record against the SEC, does that count? How about their 51 consensus all-americans, good for 9th place, does that count? How about the 20th place they sit in for all time wins, does that count? They all list high in NFL draft picks and weeks ranked in the AP poll. When the schedules are made, they are made in advance. How good or bad a team will be isn't known when the game is actually played.

(12-07-2018 07:12 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

http://www.espn.com/college-football/sto...cf-knights

UCF AD was wise: Why do Great teams always have to play in their sandbox. We play in your sandbox once, them you play in our sandbox once. Don't let these folks treat us like we are second class football schools. We are not, just ask Auburn, Oklahoma, UCLA, Arizona and a few others.

(12-09-2018 08:21 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 08:03 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  I'm sorry but this is stupid when your team is on the outside looking in 2 years in a row for not having played any decent teams out of conference.

So Pitt's 9 national championships don't count? How about their 12-3-2 record against the SEC, does that count? How about their 51 consensus all-americans, good for 9th place, does that count? How about the 20th place they sit in for all time wins, does that count? They all list high in NFL draft picks and weeks ranked in the AP poll. When the schedules are made, they are made in advance. How good or bad a team will be isn't known when the game is actually played.

UCONN has a 5-4 all-time record vs Pitt.

(12-09-2018 03:30 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  UCF made the right decision in turning down the 2:1. But talking about it in the media... I’m not so sure that was the right decision.

EGGactly.......