I just dont understand...we're about the largest school in Mississippi....why does USM not get more support? why do we have so small an athletic budget? Why do we produce about half the revenue ole miss and state do for football? I know being in the SEC vs CUSA is a reason, but its just frustrating....what can we all do to improve Southern Miss athletics? What are the other guys doing to get such great support?

USMFAN#1 Wrote:I just dont understand...we're about the largest school in Mississippi....why does USM not get more support? why do we have so small an athletic budget? Why do we produce about half the revenue ole miss and state do for football? I know being in the SEC vs CUSA is a reason, but its just frustrating....what can we all do to improve Southern Miss athletics? What are the other guys doing to get such great support?

they got richer alumni than we do for starters and they can get more people too attend their sporting events than we can :bang:

i sure hope football speeds up this board!

Found this @ http://www.secsports.com. All these bowls and tournments really bring in the cash. I'm not trying to be an "arse" but it really does explain how State & Ole Miss has all that money. The SEC shares the money around the conference.

SEC Tops All Conferences in Athletics Success Survey

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07/05/2004


BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- The Southeastern Conference, propelled by at least one of its member institutions placing in the national top eight in 19 of 20 sponsored sports, placed first in a survey of all NCAA Division I-A conferences, comparing athletics success in the 2003-04 academic year.
The survey, compiled by the Big 12 Media Relations Office, gives 20 points for a member institution placing 1st nationally, 19th for second place, 18th for third and down to one point for 20th place. The survey takes into account the 20 sports that are sponsored by the SEC.

The SEC placed first with 1,029.5 points followed by the Pac-10 with 909 points, the Big 12 with 571.9 points, Big Ten with 504.5 points, ACC with 370.5 points and the Big East was sixth with 269.5 points.

The SEC placed first among all conferences in its nine men's sponsored sports with 456 points compared to the Pac-10's 284.5 points and the Big 12's 278.9 points. The SEC has accumulated the most men's sports in each of the last six years and 12 of the last 13 years.

The Pac-10 had more points in the 11 sports that are sponsored by the SEC with 624.5 points to the SEC's 573.5 points. The Big 12 was third with 293 points. It is the eighth straight year and 12th of the last 13 years that the Pac-10 has had the most points in women's sports.

The SEC won six team national championships during the 2003-04 season - football (LSU), men's indoor track & field (LSU), men's outdoor track & field (Arkansas), men's swimming & diving (Auburn), women's swimming & diving (Auburn) and women's indoor track & field (LSU).

The SEC also had team's to finish in the "Final Four" nationally in 13 of its 20 sponsored sports.

For the 2003-04 academic year, the SEC had 170 teams participate in NCAA post-season competition among the 20 league-sponsored sports, an average of more than 8 teams per sport. The SEC also had 498 first-team All-Americas in its 20 team sponsored sports, including 81 individual national champions.

Below is a breakdown of the rankings and how SEC teams finished among the top squads nationally in NCAA competition.



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2003-04 Conference Vs. Conference Athletics' Success Survey

(Based on NCAA and Final Football Top 25 Ratings; Includes 20 Sports In Which Southeastern Conference Teams Compete) [Compiled by Big 12 Conference Media Relations Office]

2003-04 Combined Men's and Women's Conference Points (20 for 1st, 19 for 2nd, etc.)

No. Conference Points
1. SEC 1,029.5
2. Pac-10 909
3. Big 12 571.9
4. Big Ten 504.5
5. ACC 370.5
6. Big East 269.5
7. Mountain West 115
8. WAC 95.5
9. Conference USA 69.5
10. Big West 64.5
11. West Coast 39
12. Big Sky 31
13. Atlantic 10 29
14. Independents 15.5
15. Mid-American 13
16. Sun Belt 11
17. Missouri Valley 7
18. Southern 4
19. Colonial 2



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2003-04 Men's Conference Points (20 for 1st, 19 for 2nd, etc.)

No. Conference Points
1. SEC 456
2. Pac-10 284.5
3. Big 12 278.9
4. Big Ten 270
5. ACC 167.5
6. Big East 97
7. WAC 54.5
8. Conference USA 50.5
9. Mountain West 43
10. Big West 36.5
11. Metro Atlantic 35.5
12. Atlantic 10 29
13. Big Sky 18
14. Independents 15.5
15. Mid-American 13
16. West Coast 11
17. Colonial 2




2003-04 Men's NCAA or BCS Football Champions
Football-LSU
Basketball-Connecticut
Indoor Track-LSU
Outdoor Track-Arkansas
Tennis-Baylor
Cross Country-Stanford
Baseball-Cal State Fullerton
Swimming-Auburn
Golf-California



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2003-04 Women's Conference Points (20 for 1st, 19 for 2nd, etc.)

No. Conference Points
1. Pac-10 624.5
2. SEC 573.5
3. Big 12 293
4. Big Ten 234.5
5. ACC 203
6. Big East 172.5
7. Mountain West 72
8. Western Athletic 41
9. Big West 28
West Coast 28
11. Ivy 20
12. Conference USA 19
13. Big Sky 13
14. Sun Belt 11
15. Missouri Valley 7
16. Southern 4




2003-04 Women's NCAA Champions
Volleyball-Southern California
Basketball-Connecticut
Soccer-North Carolina
Indoor Track-LSU
Outdoor Track-UCLA
Tennis-Stanford
Gymnastics-UCLA
Cross Country-Stanford
Softball-UCLA
Swimming-Auburn
Golf-UCLA



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Previous Conference Men's High Point Finishers
1986-87-Southwest
1987-88-Pacific-10
1988-89-Pac-10
1989-90-Pac-10
1990-91-Pac-10
1991-92-Southeastern
1992-93-SEC
1993-94-SEC
1994-95-SEC
1995-96-SEC
1996-97-SEC
1997-98-Pac-10
1998-99-SEC
1999-00-SEC
2000-01-SEC
2001-02-SEC
2002-03-SEC
2003-04-SEC




Previous Conference Women's High Point Finishers
1986-87-Pacific-10
1987-88-Pac-10
1988-89-Pac-10
1989-90-Pac-10
1990-91-Southeastern
1991-92-Pac-10
1992-93-Pac-10
1993-94-Pac-10
1994-95-Pac-10
1995-96-SEC
1996-97-Pac-10
1997-98-Pac-10
1998-99-Pac-10
1999-00-Pac-10
2000-01-Pac-10
2001-02-Pac-10
2002-03-Pac-10
2003-04-Pac-10



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Highest SEC National Finishes

MEN

Baseball - South Carolina (T3rd), Georgia (T3rd), Arkansas (T7th), LSU (T7th), Florida (Super Regionals), Vanderbilt (Super Regionals), Mississippi State (Regionals), Tennessee (Regionals), Ole Miss (Regionals).

Basketball - Alabama (Regional Finals), Vanderbilt (Regional Semifinals), Kentucky (2nd Round), Mississippi State (2nd Round), Florida (1st Round), South Carolina (1st Round).

Cross Country - Arkansas (5th), Georgia (25th), Kentucky (28th).

Football - LSU (2nd-AP/1st-USA Today-ESPN), Georgia (7th-AP/6th-USA Today-ESPN), Ole Miss (13th-AP/14th-USA Today-ESPN), Tennessee (15th-AP/16th-USA Today-ESPN), Florida (24th-AP/25th-USA Today-ESPN).

Golf - Florida (T6th), Kentucky (8th), Georgia (T11th), Auburn (T21st), Vanderbilt (28th).

Swimming & Diving - Auburn (National Champion), Florida (6th), Tennessee (8th), Georgia (10th), Kentucky (15th), South Carolina (20th), LSU (21st), Alabama (34th).

Tennis - Vanderbilt (Quarterfinals), Arkansas (Round of 16), Florida (Round of 16), Georgia (Round of 16), Kentucky (2nd Round), LSU (2nd Round), Ole Miss (2nd Round), Mississippi State (Second Round), Tennessee (2nd Round), Alabama (1st Round), Auburn (1st Round), South Carolina (1st Round).

Indoor Track & Field - LSU (National Champion), Arkansas (T2nd), Florida (T2nd), South Carolina (14th), Auburn (t16th), Ole Miss (T22nd), Georgia (t34th).

Outdoor Track & Field - Arkansas (National Champion), Florida (2nd), LSU (3rd), Tennessee (13th), Mississippi State (20th), Auburn (23rd), Georgia (26th), South Carolina (31st).




WOMEN

Basketball - Tennessee (2nd), LSU (T3rd), Georgia (Regional Finals), Vanderbilt (Regional Semifinals), Auburn (2nd Round), Florida (2nd Round), Ole Miss (1st Round).

Cross Country - Tennessee (24th).

Golf - Vanderbilt (5th), Georgia (9th), Tennessee (11th).

Gymnastics - Georgia (2nd), Alabama (3rd), Florida (5th), LSU (7th).

Soccer - Florida (Quarterfinals), Tennessee (3rd Round), Auburn (2nd Round), Georgia (2nd Round), Ole Miss (2nd Round).

Softball - LSU (3rd), Alabama (Regional Finals), Georgia (Regional Finals), Florida (Regionals), Mississippi State (Regionals), South Carolina (Regionals), Tennessee (Regionals), Auburn (Regionals).

Swimming & Diving - Auburn (National Champion), Georgia (2nd), Florida (4th), South Carolina (11th), Alabama (21st), LSU (24th), Arkansas (27th), Tennessee (28th).

Tennis - Vanderbilt (t3rd), Georgia (National Quarterfinals), Kentucky (Round of 16), Tennessee (Round of 16), Florida (2nd Round), South Carolina (2nd Round), Alabama (1st Round), LSU (1st Round).

Indoor Track & Field - LSU (National Champion), Florida (2nd), Tennessee (4th), Georgia (6th), Arkansas (t10th), South Carolina (t10th), Mississippi State (t21st), Auburn (t38th), Kentucky (t38th), Vanderbilt (t38th).

Outdoor Track & Field - LSU (2nd), Florida (5th), Georgia (t7th), South Carolina (t7th), Tennessee (t7th), Arkansas (10th), Auburn (18th), Alabama (t22nd), Mississippi State (t22nd).

Volleyball - Florida (2nd), Arkansas (2nd Round).

Yeah, we need to start going to the NCAA b-ball tourney alot more. We've been too dependent on football, which costs more to support the way we do.

The answer is simple.

USM grads about 4-5 women to every 1 male grad. Women don't contribute as much $$ to schools as men do.

Also......

USM grads teachers, nurses etc, MSU grads engeneers, Ole Miss lawyers & doctors. MSU & Ole Miss Alums make more $$ to contribute than what USM Alum do.

Just a couple of thoughts