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RE: Big Ten targeting Texas and Oklahoma?
All you need to know here:

That could be the case, according to one report by Minnesota insider Greg Flugaur,
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(12-06-2018 01:15 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/A...ssion=true

They're quoting FLug? Oh my goodness how the news media has fallen.
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Next thing you know Sports Illustrated will be quoting DavidSt
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Lol funny that they directly linked to his twitter account
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(12-06-2018 01:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Next thing you know Sports Illustrated will be quoting DavidSt

That would probably raise their subscriptions. He has an incredible track record.
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(12-06-2018 01:15 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/A...ssion=true

They're no more or less crazy than some of the "realignment" theories posted on here.

Like I said on the B1G thread it's just as likely as it is unlikely that it's true.

Guess we'll find out in a couple years.
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(12-06-2018 01:36 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 01:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Next thing you know Sports Illustrated will be quoting DavidSt

That would probably raise their subscriptions. He has an incredible track record.

It’d be more interesting than most sports writing these days
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(12-06-2018 01:20 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 01:15 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/A...ssion=true

They're quoting FLug? Oh my goodness how the news media has fallen.

Actually it's worse than that. They are quoting Flug who is quoting his fictitious excuse for making up crap to drive his twitter feed hits, BTM (Big Ten Man). ESPN knew that the LHN wasn't a great venture when they created it. It was just a vehicle to keep UT in the ESPN fold through turbulent times which is why the 15 million a year extortion is paid.

Texas has the most successful business model in college sports and it is largely predicated on playing as many games as possible (home and away) inside the state of Texas so that their alums can see them as often as possible. It's worked marvelously for them and it's not changing. If they ever move anywhere it will be to a place that accommodates that business model. That isn't the Big 10.

There is such a detachment from reality in Fluguar's claims that it boggles the mind. Oklahoma would be the worst academically rated school in the Big 10 overnight surpassing Nebraska and it wouldn't even be close.

The reality here is twofold:
1. Every conference would love to have Texas and probably Oklahoma, but want them without their other state school baggage.
2. The Big 10 just lost Urban at their top football school, just whiffed on their second CFP in a row, and interest heading into bowl season is tepid to poor for the Big 10 as a whole. They have some good stories going on with some individual schools like Purdue, Northwestern, etc. But my point is Fluguar's traffic on his twitter feed was lousy. So he uses his fictitious creation BTM to tell everyone what they want to hear. And in the absence of real news he gets a boost.

There isn't going to be a bunch of real news leaks heading into the 2022-3 time period. The networks don't want leaks because they don't want the FAANG corporations getting into their game early and if ESPN and FOX can create a reason for contract re-negotiations (like additions to the Big 10, SEC, and ACC) they can re-calculate values, sign contract extensions, and lock up product before the main contracts expire.

The SEC's T1 contract with CBS is up in 2024-5. The Big 10's six year deal with FOX is up in 2023. The PAC's contract expires in 2024. The ACC is sewed up until 2037. And the Big 12's contract expires in 2024. Until then nothing will be spoken of.

It looks like if there is movement it will again come out of the Big 12, although the PAC is experiencing carriage and profitability issues. But then that might just make them more of a player. I have no doubts that everyone will make plays for Texas and Oklahoma and I know back door discussions have been going on for years now with both of those schools. Part of it is due diligence (the schools finding their relative value to others) and part of it is just in case talks. But even if they are inclined to move (which they may not be) they will by their GOR and conference rules have to give a 2 year notice before doing so and it will have to come appropriately toward the end of their GOR. So around 2022 if something is going to happen FOX and ESPN will have laid out their offers via the conferences and it will all stay totally under wraps because of NDA's with the conferences involved, the stipulations in the GOR's and the Networks' caution over tortuous interference suits. So there is no way in hell that some jock sniffer in the Minnesota athletic world is going to spill the beans to an ex football player who plays his role as the next Dude of West Virginia and indeed debates the Dude to drive interest.

Fluguar is the internet equivalent of professional wrestling. Sometimes he goes solo, sometimes he screams into the camera talking about made up stories, and sometimes he tag teams with the Dude of West Virginia.

I might watch if the two of them hit each other with chairs and spurted fake blood!
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(12-06-2018 01:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 01:20 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 01:15 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/A...ssion=true

They're quoting FLug? Oh my goodness how the news media has fallen.

Actually it's worse than that. They are quoting Flug who is quoting his fictitious excuse for making up crap to drive his twitter feed hits, BTM (Big Ten Man). ESPN knew that the LHN wasn't a great venture when they created it. It was just a vehicle to keep UT in the ESPN fold through turbulent times which is why the 15 million a year extortion is paid.

Texas has the most successful business model in college sports and it is largely predicated on playing as many games as possible (home and away) inside the state of Texas so that their alums can see them as often as possible. It's worked marvelously for them and it's not changing. If they ever move anywhere it will be to a place that accommodates that business model. That isn't the Big 10.

There is such a detachment from reality in Fluguar's claims that it boggles the mind. Oklahoma would be the worst academically rated school in the Big 10 overnight surpassing Nebraska and it wouldn't even be close.

The reality here is twofold:
1. Every conference would love to have Texas and probably Oklahoma, but want them without their other state school baggage.
2. The Big 10 just lost Urban at their top football school, just whiffed on their second CFP in a row, and interest heading into bowl season is tepid to poor for the Big 10 as a whole. They have some good stories going on with some individual schools like Purdue, Northwestern, etc. But my point is Fluguar's traffic on his twitter feed was lousy. So he uses his fictitious creation BTM to tell everyone what they want to hear. And in the absence of real news he gets a boost.

There isn't going to be a bunch of real news leaks heading into the 2022-3 time period. The networks don't want leaks because they don't want the FAANG corporations getting into their game early and if ESPN and FOX can create a reason for contract re-negotiations (like additions to the Big 10, SEC, and ACC) they can re-calculate values, sign contract extensions, and lock up product before the main contracts expire.

The SEC's T1 contract with CBS is up in 2024-5. The Big 10's six year deal with FOX is up in 2023. The PAC's contract expires in 2024. The ACC is sewed up until 2037. And the Big 12's contract expires in 2024. Until then nothing will be spoken of.

It looks like if there is movement it will again come out of the Big 12, although the PAC is experiencing carriage and profitability issues. But then that might just make them more of a player. I have no doubts that everyone will make plays for Texas and Oklahoma and I know back door discussions have been going on for years now with both of those schools. Part of it is due diligence (the schools finding their relative value to others) and part of it is just in case talks. But even if they are inclined to move (which they may not be) they will by their GOR and conference rules have to give a 2 year notice before doing so and it will have to come appropriately toward the end of their GOR. So around 2022 if something is going to happen FOX and ESPN will have laid out their offers via the conferences and it will all stay totally under wraps because of NDA's with the conferences involved, the stipulations in the GOR's and the Networks' caution over tortuous interference suits. So there is no way in hell that some jock sniffer in the Minnesota athletic world is going to spill the beans to an ex football player who plays his role as the next Dude of West Virginia and indeed debates the Dude to drive interest.

Fluguar is the internet equivalent of professional wrestling. Sometimes he goes solo, sometimes he screams into the camera talking about made up stories, and sometimes he tag teams with the Dude of West Virginia.

I might watch if the two of them hit each other with chairs and spurted fake blood!

https://youtu.be/jKECiyIsq3I?t=12
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(12-06-2018 01:36 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 01:15 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/A...ssion=true

They're no more or less crazy than some of the "realignment" theories posted on here.

Like I said on the B1G thread it's just as likely as it is unlikely that it's true.

Guess we'll find out in a couple years.

Except it is crazy. Texas needs to be in control of their conference. In the Big Ten, they'll be just another school. Their conference options are ACC or PAC but only if major concessions are involved. More likely to go the ND route with guaranteed games vs OK, TT, TCU, Baylor, etc.
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Tell me that the B1G is considering divisionless football to accommodate USC, UCLA, Stanford, and a pick 3 and I'd buy that more than UT/OU to Big Ten.

UT has ZERO incentive to leave as long as OU is in place and can't see the Big Ten taking OU on spec.
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(12-06-2018 02:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Tell me that the B1G is considering divisionless football to accommodate USC, UCLA, Stanford, and a pick 3 and I'd buy that more than UT/OU to Big Ten.

UT has ZERO incentive to leave as long as OU is in place and can't see the Big Ten taking OU on spec.

I'm not at all sure Texas would follow Oklahoma to the B1G even if they were invited to do so.
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Never trust some one who bills himself as the godfather of smacks. Bleacher report I could see this, 247 I thought cared about credibility.

The dude blocked me 3 years ago because I called him out on being wrong about ND joining in full soon. The dude throws junk against the wall and hopes something sticks.
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(12-06-2018 02:08 PM)Scoochpooch1 Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 01:36 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 01:15 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/A...ssion=true

They're no more or less crazy than some of the "realignment" theories posted on here.

Like I said on the B1G thread it's just as likely as it is unlikely that it's true.

Guess we'll find out in a couple years.

Except it is crazy. Texas needs to be in control of their conference. In the Big Ten, they'll be just another school. Their conference options are ACC or PAC but only if major concessions are involved. More likely to go the ND route with guaranteed games vs OK, TT, TCU, Baylor, etc.

I'm not saying it isn't crazy, but it's not any more crazy than some fellow posters that offer theories about how Rice will be invited to the B1G or PAC........
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If Texas goes anywhere? They would get the Notre Dame type of deal in the ACC.

I think Oklahoma would go to the SEC.

Big 10 eyes are on east coast targets like Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech and Florida State. Yes, Florida State. The Big 10 wants to get into big market areas on the east coast for their network. The AAC are just being groomed by ESPN as replacements for the ACC if they get raided. They could still used the Big 12 as a P5 to bring in the top G5 schools to build on.

As for the Big 10 to get into Texas? Rice and Tulane are top choices. It would be hard for them to get Big 12 schools.
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(12-06-2018 01:59 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 01:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 01:20 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 01:15 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  https://247sports.com/college/oklahoma/A...ssion=true

They're quoting FLug? Oh my goodness how the news media has fallen.

Actually it's worse than that. They are quoting Flug who is quoting his fictitious excuse for making up crap to drive his twitter feed hits, BTM (Big Ten Man). ESPN knew that the LHN wasn't a great venture when they created it. It was just a vehicle to keep UT in the ESPN fold through turbulent times which is why the 15 million a year extortion is paid.

Texas has the most successful business model in college sports and it is largely predicated on playing as many games as possible (home and away) inside the state of Texas so that their alums can see them as often as possible. It's worked marvelously for them and it's not changing. If they ever move anywhere it will be to a place that accommodates that business model. That isn't the Big 10.

There is such a detachment from reality in Fluguar's claims that it boggles the mind. Oklahoma would be the worst academically rated school in the Big 10 overnight surpassing Nebraska and it wouldn't even be close.

The reality here is twofold:
1. Every conference would love to have Texas and probably Oklahoma, but want them without their other state school baggage.
2. The Big 10 just lost Urban at their top football school, just whiffed on their second CFP in a row, and interest heading into bowl season is tepid to poor for the Big 10 as a whole. They have some good stories going on with some individual schools like Purdue, Northwestern, etc. But my point is Fluguar's traffic on his twitter feed was lousy. So he uses his fictitious creation BTM to tell everyone what they want to hear. And in the absence of real news he gets a boost.

There isn't going to be a bunch of real news leaks heading into the 2022-3 time period. The networks don't want leaks because they don't want the FAANG corporations getting into their game early and if ESPN and FOX can create a reason for contract re-negotiations (like additions to the Big 10, SEC, and ACC) they can re-calculate values, sign contract extensions, and lock up product before the main contracts expire.

The SEC's T1 contract with CBS is up in 2024-5. The Big 10's six year deal with FOX is up in 2023. The PAC's contract expires in 2024. The ACC is sewed up until 2037. And the Big 12's contract expires in 2024. Until then nothing will be spoken of.

It looks like if there is movement it will again come out of the Big 12, although the PAC is experiencing carriage and profitability issues. But then that might just make them more of a player. I have no doubts that everyone will make plays for Texas and Oklahoma and I know back door discussions have been going on for years now with both of those schools. Part of it is due diligence (the schools finding their relative value to others) and part of it is just in case talks. But even if they are inclined to move (which they may not be) they will by their GOR and conference rules have to give a 2 year notice before doing so and it will have to come appropriately toward the end of their GOR. So around 2022 if something is going to happen FOX and ESPN will have laid out their offers via the conferences and it will all stay totally under wraps because of NDA's with the conferences involved, the stipulations in the GOR's and the Networks' caution over tortuous interference suits. So there is no way in hell that some jock sniffer in the Minnesota athletic world is going to spill the beans to an ex football player who plays his role as the next Dude of West Virginia and indeed debates the Dude to drive interest.

Fluguar is the internet equivalent of professional wrestling. Sometimes he goes solo, sometimes he screams into the camera talking about made up stories, and sometimes he tag teams with the Dude of West Virginia.

I might watch if the two of them hit each other with chairs and spurted fake blood!

https://youtu.be/jKECiyIsq3I?t=12
Flugaur and the Dude fight with each other over twitter.

The Dude actually believes the nonsense he puts out. So he has more credibility than Flugaur who is the source of this story.
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(12-06-2018 03:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If Texas goes anywhere? They would get the Notre Dame type of deal in the ACC.

I think Oklahoma would go to the SEC.

Big 10 eyes are on east coast targets like Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech and Florida State. Yes, Florida State. The Big 10 wants to get into big market areas on the east coast for their network. The AAC are just being groomed by ESPN as replacements for the ACC if they get raided. They could still used the Big 12 as a P5 to bring in the top G5 schools to build on.

As for the Big 10 to get into Texas? Rice and Tulane are top choices. It would be hard for them to get Big 12 schools.

Rice is not anyone's top choice at this point. And Tulane is hundreds of miles from Texas.
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(12-06-2018 01:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Next thing you know Sports Illustrated will be quoting DavidSt


The nation collectively says “what did I just read????”
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(12-06-2018 05:06 PM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 03:16 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If Texas goes anywhere? They would get the Notre Dame type of deal in the ACC.

I think Oklahoma would go to the SEC.

Big 10 eyes are on east coast targets like Virginia, North Carolina, Clemson, Georgia Tech and Florida State. Yes, Florida State. The Big 10 wants to get into big market areas on the east coast for their network. The AAC are just being groomed by ESPN as replacements for the ACC if they get raided. They could still used the Big 12 as a P5 to bring in the top G5 schools to build on.

As for the Big 10 to get into Texas? Rice and Tulane are top choices. It would be hard for them to get Big 12 schools.

Rice is not anyone's top choice at this point. And Tulane is hundreds of miles from Texas.


Yeah, Rice has very little brand in football compared to even the AAC Texas schools and it’s living alumni base fits inside its stadium when you take the tarps off. No chance the B1G grabs them.
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