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RE: Big Ten targeting Texas and Oklahoma?
(01-21-2019 07:24 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
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(01-20-2019 04:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  SEC North: UK, L'ville, WVU, VT, UVA, UNC, Duke
A northern division in the SEC is not allowed. SEC Highland division? Midland?

Call it the Appalachian Division and it's a deal. 03-wink

or the Bootleg Division...
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RE: Big Ten targeting Texas and Oklahoma?
(01-21-2019 10:34 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 07:24 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 06:55 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(01-20-2019 04:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  SEC North: UK, L'ville, WVU, VT, UVA, UNC, Duke
A northern division in the SEC is not allowed. SEC Highland division? Midland?

Call it the Appalachian Division and it's a deal. 03-wink

or the Bootleg Division...
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Just call it the Hillbilly division and be done with it. After all the mascot of UNC is a goat.
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Off the wall thought, although probably completely dumb: what if Nebraska is pushing FOX and the Big Ten to add Oklahoma and Oklahoma is wanting the PAC 12 to pick up part of the Texoma 4 (Texas, Texas Tech, & Oklahoma State) to keep its rivalry with Texas?? (See Big Ten-Pac 12 relationship). I don’t know who #4 would be though, and the SEC is going to demand a big prize to let this go down also, IMO. A big prize like Clemson, FSU, and/or VT...
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RE: Big Ten targeting Texas and Oklahoma?
I like the big 10 inviting Kansas and Missouri as a combo move for spots 15-16. Than if you get those 2 in the fold, go after Texas and OU as another combo move for spots 17-18. If the big 10 added Missouri, I would assume the sec would add either WVU or an ACC school as a replacement. I think the only ACC school that the ACC or ESPN would be willing to let out to the sec would be Louisville, the acc would probably Bring in WVU to replace the cards. I do think by taking Missouri out of the sec and putting WVU or Louisville in you diminish the odds Texas, OU, UVA, or UNC join the sec. I’m not sure what Texas and OU would do if the big 12 lost KU to the big 10 and WVU to the sec/acc. You could have a P4 of

Big 10 : KU, Missouri
PAC 12: Texas, Texas tech, OU, OK state
Sec: Louisville
Acc: WVU

Big 12 leftovers team up with aac, Mwc, BYU to form best of the rest
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(01-24-2019 11:32 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I like the big 10 inviting Kansas and Missouri as a combo move for spots 15-16. Than if you get those 2 in the fold, go after Texas and OU as another combo move for spots 17-18. If the big 10 added Missouri, I would assume the sec would add either WVU or an ACC school as a replacement. I think the only ACC school that the ACC or ESPN would be willing to let out to the sec would be Louisville, the acc would probably Bring in WVU to replace the cards. I do think by taking Missouri out of the sec and putting WVU or Louisville in you diminish the odds Texas, OU, UVA, or UNC join the sec. I’m not sure what Texas and OU would do if the big 12 lost KU to the big 10 and WVU to the sec/acc. You could have a P4 of

Big 10 : KU, Missouri
PAC 12: Texas, Texas tech, OU, OK state
Sec: Louisville
Acc: WVU

Big 12 leftovers team up with aac, Mwc, BYU to form best of the rest

if the B1G is going after Texas and OU, then they'll likely go after them first and have their input on who else to expand with amongst their B12 and former B12 peers. The conference isn't interested in KU and Mizzou are primary candidates, they don't expand just for the sake of expansion.
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I’m going with there needs to be a destabilizing move first to get Texas to consider leaving the big 12 for the big 10. The big 10 tried the shot for the top tier, unc and uva move in the acc and ended up with Maryland. If the big is waiting for Texas and OU to be teams 15 and 16 than they will probably wait like they did for ND to be team 12.
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(01-24-2019 11:32 AM)bluesox Wrote:  I like the big 10 inviting Kansas and Missouri as a combo move for spots 15-16. Than if you get those 2 in the fold, go after Texas and OU as another combo move for spots 17-18. If the big 10 added Missouri, I would assume the sec would add either WVU or an ACC school as a replacement. I think the only ACC school that the ACC or ESPN would be willing to let out to the sec would be Louisville, the acc would probably Bring in WVU to replace the cards. I do think by taking Missouri out of the sec and putting WVU or Louisville in you diminish the odds Texas, OU, UVA, or UNC join the sec. I’m not sure what Texas and OU would do if the big 12 lost KU to the big 10 and WVU to the sec/acc. You could have a P4 of

Big 10 : KU, Missouri
PAC 12: Texas, Texas tech, OU, OK state
Sec: Louisville
Acc: WVU

Big 12 leftovers team up with aac, Mwc, BYU to form best of the rest

Objection from SEC and ACC. This proposal aids B1G and PAC12, but SEC gains nothing and ACC loses a little bit.
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(01-24-2019 12:36 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I’m going with there needs to be a destabilizing move first to get Texas to consider leaving the big 12 for the big 10. The big 10 tried the shot for the top tier, unc and uva move in the acc and ended up with Maryland. If the big is waiting for Texas and OU to be teams 15 and 16 than they will probably wait like they did for ND to be team 12.

that's probably what would happen then... they aren't going to just add Kansas/Mizzou regardless. The conference is already huge with 14 and its pretty much the most prestigious and influential conference in college football, so they are basically only going to be after the big boys (ND, UT, OU amongst "free agent franchise players" when the BXII GOR ends) or none at all. KU is a possibility if OU decided they want to bring them along (just like OSU could potentially be a tag along partner if OU really demands hard and the conference weighs the value of OU vs not having OU), but its not going to be a primary target without one of the big boys. Every expansion move by the Big Ten has been strategic, patient and targeted... they aren't going to add schools in order to hypothetically destabilize another conference (BXII losing Kansas would not achieve this anyway) unless its guaranteed that their end goal already agreed to it.

What could potentially happen is that the B1G adds Oklahoma by itself as #15 which would destabilize the BXII, especially since OU has been making overtures at the conference for years, and then leverage the fact that the conference has Oklahoma and Nebraska to convince Texas to join, and would be willing to offer Texas two other Texas schools to tag along (Texas Tech, Rice, Houston, etc) to get to 18.
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(01-24-2019 05:14 PM)AntiG Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 12:36 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I’m going with there needs to be a destabilizing move first to get Texas to consider leaving the big 12 for the big 10. The big 10 tried the shot for the top tier, unc and uva move in the acc and ended up with Maryland. If the big is waiting for Texas and OU to be teams 15 and 16 than they will probably wait like they did for ND to be team 12.

that's probably what would happen then... they aren't going to just add Kansas/Mizzou regardless. The conference is already huge with 14 and its pretty much the most prestigious and influential conference in college football, so they are basically only going to be after the big boys (ND, UT, OU amongst "free agent franchise players" when the BXII GOR ends) or none at all. KU is a possibility if OU decided they want to bring them along (just like OSU could potentially be a tag along partner if OU really demands hard and the conference weighs the value of OU vs not having OU), but its not going to be a primary target without one of the big boys. Every expansion move by the Big Ten has been strategic, patient and targeted... they aren't going to add schools in order to hypothetically destabilize another conference (BXII losing Kansas would not achieve this anyway) unless its guaranteed that their end goal already agreed to it.

What could potentially happen is that the B1G adds Oklahoma by itself as #15 which would destabilize the BXII, especially since OU has been making overtures at the conference for years, and then leverage the fact that the conference has Oklahoma and Nebraska to convince Texas to join, and would be willing to offer Texas two other Texas schools to tag along (Texas Tech, Rice, Houston, etc) to get to 18.

The Big Ten is not going to admit tag along school in Texas. 3 schools in that state have the academics for the Big Ten: Texas, TAMU, and Rice and that third option is a definite no go.
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(01-24-2019 06:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 05:14 PM)AntiG Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 12:36 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I’m going with there needs to be a destabilizing move first to get Texas to consider leaving the big 12 for the big 10. The big 10 tried the shot for the top tier, unc and uva move in the acc and ended up with Maryland. If the big is waiting for Texas and OU to be teams 15 and 16 than they will probably wait like they did for ND to be team 12.

that's probably what would happen then... they aren't going to just add Kansas/Mizzou regardless. The conference is already huge with 14 and its pretty much the most prestigious and influential conference in college football, so they are basically only going to be after the big boys (ND, UT, OU amongst "free agent franchise players" when the BXII GOR ends) or none at all. KU is a possibility if OU decided they want to bring them along (just like OSU could potentially be a tag along partner if OU really demands hard and the conference weighs the value of OU vs not having OU), but its not going to be a primary target without one of the big boys. Every expansion move by the Big Ten has been strategic, patient and targeted... they aren't going to add schools in order to hypothetically destabilize another conference (BXII losing Kansas would not achieve this anyway) unless its guaranteed that their end goal already agreed to it.

What could potentially happen is that the B1G adds Oklahoma by itself as #15 which would destabilize the BXII, especially since OU has been making overtures at the conference for years, and then leverage the fact that the conference has Oklahoma and Nebraska to convince Texas to join, and would be willing to offer Texas two other Texas schools to tag along (Texas Tech, Rice, Houston, etc) to get to 18.

The Big Ten is not going to admit tag along school in Texas. 3 schools in that state have the academics for the Big Ten: Texas, TAMU, and Rice and that third option is a definite no go.


Don’t assume that Rice would decline a B1G invitation. To the contrary, even though we have demurred SEC overtures in the past, I believe that we would entertain an interest in joining the B1G, if offered.

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(01-25-2019 09:15 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 06:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 05:14 PM)AntiG Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 12:36 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I’m going with there needs to be a destabilizing move first to get Texas to consider leaving the big 12 for the big 10. The big 10 tried the shot for the top tier, unc and uva move in the acc and ended up with Maryland. If the big is waiting for Texas and OU to be teams 15 and 16 than they will probably wait like they did for ND to be team 12.

that's probably what would happen then... they aren't going to just add Kansas/Mizzou regardless. The conference is already huge with 14 and its pretty much the most prestigious and influential conference in college football, so they are basically only going to be after the big boys (ND, UT, OU amongst "free agent franchise players" when the BXII GOR ends) or none at all. KU is a possibility if OU decided they want to bring them along (just like OSU could potentially be a tag along partner if OU really demands hard and the conference weighs the value of OU vs not having OU), but its not going to be a primary target without one of the big boys. Every expansion move by the Big Ten has been strategic, patient and targeted... they aren't going to add schools in order to hypothetically destabilize another conference (BXII losing Kansas would not achieve this anyway) unless its guaranteed that their end goal already agreed to it.

What could potentially happen is that the B1G adds Oklahoma by itself as #15 which would destabilize the BXII, especially since OU has been making overtures at the conference for years, and then leverage the fact that the conference has Oklahoma and Nebraska to convince Texas to join, and would be willing to offer Texas two other Texas schools to tag along (Texas Tech, Rice, Houston, etc) to get to 18.

The Big Ten is not going to admit tag along school in Texas. 3 schools in that state have the academics for the Big Ten: Texas, TAMU, and Rice and that third option is a definite no go.


Don’t assume that Rice would decline a B1G invitation. To the contrary, even though we have demurred SEC overtures in the past, I believe that we would entertain an interest in joining the B1G, if offered.

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I honestly believe Rice could be a very nice fit in the BIG. A lot of money would have to be invested in sports facilities but I think Rice can afford it. I picture Rice vs Northwestern could be a great rivalry game over time and Rice vs Purdue would be fun too. I believe, off the top of my head, that Purdue recruits down there fairly well?
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(01-25-2019 09:15 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 06:22 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 05:14 PM)AntiG Wrote:  
(01-24-2019 12:36 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I’m going with there needs to be a destabilizing move first to get Texas to consider leaving the big 12 for the big 10. The big 10 tried the shot for the top tier, unc and uva move in the acc and ended up with Maryland. If the big is waiting for Texas and OU to be teams 15 and 16 than they will probably wait like they did for ND to be team 12.

that's probably what would happen then... they aren't going to just add Kansas/Mizzou regardless. The conference is already huge with 14 and its pretty much the most prestigious and influential conference in college football, so they are basically only going to be after the big boys (ND, UT, OU amongst "free agent franchise players" when the BXII GOR ends) or none at all. KU is a possibility if OU decided they want to bring them along (just like OSU could potentially be a tag along partner if OU really demands hard and the conference weighs the value of OU vs not having OU), but its not going to be a primary target without one of the big boys. Every expansion move by the Big Ten has been strategic, patient and targeted... they aren't going to add schools in order to hypothetically destabilize another conference (BXII losing Kansas would not achieve this anyway) unless its guaranteed that their end goal already agreed to it.

What could potentially happen is that the B1G adds Oklahoma by itself as #15 which would destabilize the BXII, especially since OU has been making overtures at the conference for years, and then leverage the fact that the conference has Oklahoma and Nebraska to convince Texas to join, and would be willing to offer Texas two other Texas schools to tag along (Texas Tech, Rice, Houston, etc) to get to 18.

The Big Ten is not going to admit tag along school in Texas. 3 schools in that state have the academics for the Big Ten: Texas, TAMU, and Rice and that third option is a definite no go.


Don’t assume that Rice would decline a B1G invitation. To the contrary, even though we have demurred SEC overtures in the past, I believe that we would entertain an interest in joining the B1G, if offered.

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Wouldn't the B1G realize we are just using them as a stepping stone to the Ivy League?
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