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05-stirthepot This is probably all BS. But if true, it would destroy the big 12. 07-coffee3
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(12-06-2018 08:38 PM)esayem Wrote:  Now that Notre Dame proved all a blueblood needs to do is go undefeated I think Texas becoming independent is more likely than them joining a conference they don’t run.

Oklahoma has been doing just fine, but being reunited with Nebraska would be pretty cool for rivalry week.

Except OU is extremely unlikely to be reunited with Nebraska unless they are going in with Texas or MAYBE if B1G concludes that its next big play for BTN is hoops and needs a dance partner for Kansas.
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Not much of a news flash the big 10 wants Texas and OU,so does the pac 12 and SEC. The real issue is what the pac 12 and sec would offer to counter the big 10. The best move would be to offer OU and OK state a combo package. Would OU ditch OK state for the big 10 if those 2 could join the SEC or PAC 12 together? The other thing is maybe the big 10/sec and espn/fox work together to shuffle all the name schools into those 2 leagues. In that case you have 20+ leagues. I’d like to see a big ten at 40 with 4 divisions of 10 and and a sec at 20 with 2 divisions of 10. Than have a 16 team playoff of 6 division winners and 10 at large.
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(12-06-2018 02:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 02:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Tell me that the B1G is considering divisionless football to accommodate USC, UCLA, Stanford, and a pick 3 and I'd buy that more than UT/OU to Big Ten.

UT has ZERO incentive to leave as long as OU is in place and can't see the Big Ten taking OU on spec.

I'm not at all sure Texas would follow Oklahoma to the B1G even if they were invited to do so.

Texas cannot afford to lose the Red River shootout. The donation value of being in line to get one of the seats at the Cotton Bowl is extremely valuable to UT.

With TAMU off the schedule, losing OU would be untenable. The impact on the value of the TV contract would be significant. The Sugar Bowl pays $17 million+ to take the Big XII champion if the champion is not in the CFP or to take the highest rated available team from the Big XII if the champion is in the playoff.

With OU out of the lineup that looks like a much shakier investment.

Texas doesn't have to follow OU, in fact it wouldn't be surprising if Texas opted to NOT follow, but the Big XII without OU is much less viable.
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(12-06-2018 07:20 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 02:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Tell me that the B1G is considering divisionless football to accommodate USC, UCLA, Stanford, and a pick 3 and I'd buy that more than UT/OU to Big Ten.

UT has ZERO incentive to leave as long as OU is in place and can't see the Big Ten taking OU on spec.

As one who think neither Oklahoma or Texas is going anywhere--I tend to agree with you. That said, I will admit that both going to the Big10 makes legions more sense than the "thier moving to the Pac12" non-sense I see thrown around regularly.

Given the issues that have emerged from the Pac-12 regarding salaries, rent, expenses, and revenue a defection of Pac-12 schools to Big XII seems more plausible.
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I read Greg's stuff when I want a chuckle. In this case he's really not going out on a limb predicting a conference would be targeting Oklahoma and Texas. You could easily insert The SEC, ACC or PAC and write the same piece with the same premise. The fact 247 linked and quoted Greg is well comical.
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(12-07-2018 10:34 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Not much of a news flash the big 10 wants Texas and OU,so does the pac 12 and SEC. The real issue is what the pac 12 and sec would offer to counter the big 10. The best move would be to offer OU and OK state a combo package. Would OU ditch OK state for the big 10 if those 2 could join the SEC or PAC 12 together? The other thing is maybe the big 10/sec and espn/fox work together to shuffle all the name schools into those 2 leagues. In that case you have 20+ leagues. I’d like to see a big ten at 40 with 4 divisions of 10 and and a sec at 20 with 2 divisions of 10. Than have a 16 team playoff of 6 division winners and 10 at large.

Too many political hurdles. We've seen this story before. The state legislatures will never allow a breakup unless a program or school has a major scandal within the top ranks or the performance drops off dramatically academically or otherwise.

Why leave for the SEC unless they payout is SIGNIFICANTLY higher? OU Ok St simply will not get a massive contract moving alone. It needs to be a package deal with Texas to really move the needle.

I think the Big 12 is safe. They can expand if necessary to solidify an East footprint, but for now, it's looking good. I'd like to see UC Memphis in there eventually, but the major players are quite happy considering how much of a success the revamped Big 12 CCG has been.
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(12-07-2018 10:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 02:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 02:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Tell me that the B1G is considering divisionless football to accommodate USC, UCLA, Stanford, and a pick 3 and I'd buy that more than UT/OU to Big Ten.

UT has ZERO incentive to leave as long as OU is in place and can't see the Big Ten taking OU on spec.

I'm not at all sure Texas would follow Oklahoma to the B1G even if they were invited to do so.

Texas cannot afford to lose the Red River shootout. The donation value of being in line to get one of the seats at the Cotton Bowl is extremely valuable to UT.

With TAMU off the schedule, losing OU would be untenable. The impact on the value of the TV contract would be significant. The Sugar Bowl pays $17 million+ to take the Big XII champion if the champion is not in the CFP or to take the highest rated available team from the Big XII if the champion is in the playoff.

With OU out of the lineup that looks like a much shakier investment.

Texas doesn't have to follow OU, in fact it wouldn't be surprising if Texas opted to NOT follow, but the Big XII without OU is much less viable.

Lifelong OU fan here, but not an insider at all.

Today's status quo works for OU football: we generate enough revenue to be nationally competitive while playing regional rivals. The B12 gets a bad rap nationally (partially deserved), but OU has now qualified for three CFP's as part of it (or in spite of it).

When the B12 GOR and TV contracts expire, all bets are off. I seriously doubt the ability of the B12 to score similar media deals in the next round of negotiations. OU will listen to both the B1G and SEC. I will not be surprised to see OU in either conference.

Texas is the 800 pound gorilla. It's the largest school in the second largest state, with a massive alumni and fan base. In addition, it has the academic reputation that college presidents like. If a conference sees the need to expand, they need to make a play for Texas, whether they think they will succeed or not.

The B1G needs OU's football program. But, OU's academic reputation is inferior to the members of the B1G. If the B1G makes a play for OU, it has to make a play for Texas first. For the presidents and academic leaders, it has to be an academic move. UT checks those boxes. OU would be a tagalong, academically. The B1G cannot pursue OU alone. They have to pursue OU in a package with UT and/or Kansas. Even as part of a package deal, the consideration of OU is a stretch for the academically minded leadership of the B1G.

OU's academic leaders would looovvvve to be associated with the B1G. It would be a harder sell to the fan base, even if the B1G were able to do away with divisions and arrange more games with tOSU, UM, and PSU. The SEC would be a much easier sell to the fan base. The SEC is a better cultural and institutional fit, as well.

It will be a bidding war between the B1G and SEC. If these tweets are true, the B1G is taking steps to get ready.
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(12-07-2018 11:47 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  
(12-07-2018 10:34 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Not much of a news flash the big 10 wants Texas and OU,so does the pac 12 and SEC. The real issue is what the pac 12 and sec would offer to counter the big 10. The best move would be to offer OU and OK state a combo package. Would OU ditch OK state for the big 10 if those 2 could join the SEC or PAC 12 together? The other thing is maybe the big 10/sec and espn/fox work together to shuffle all the name schools into those 2 leagues. In that case you have 20+ leagues. I’d like to see a big ten at 40 with 4 divisions of 10 and and a sec at 20 with 2 divisions of 10. Than have a 16 team playoff of 6 division winners and 10 at large.

Too many political hurdles. We've seen this story before. The state legislatures will never allow a breakup unless a program or school has a major scandal within the top ranks or the performance drops off dramatically academically or otherwise.

Why leave for the SEC unless they payout is SIGNIFICANTLY higher? OU Ok St simply will not get a massive contract moving alone. It needs to be a package deal with Texas to really move the needle.

I think the Big 12 is safe. They can expand if necessary to solidify an East footprint, but for now, it's looking good. I'd like to see UC Memphis in there eventually, but the major players are quite happy considering how much of a success the revamped Big 12 CCG has been.

Not sure of the validity of it, but the other day Brett McMurphy tweeted a quote from B12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby that said he still believes none of the potential expansion schools "move the meter".

I say I question it because McMurphy has been known to troll the AAC schools in the past, he didn't provide a video link to an interview and nobody else has quoted it.
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(12-06-2018 06:59 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  OU and Texas don't want to join a different conference. They just want to make a lot of revenue and win.

After Notre Dame showed they can make CFP, to maximize the revenue, Texas will go independent. Oklahoma will stay with Big 12 which will add three schools to replace Texas. I think they will take USF, UCF and Cincinnati.
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(12-07-2018 11:57 AM)johnintx Wrote:  
(12-07-2018 10:58 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 02:21 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(12-06-2018 02:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Tell me that the B1G is considering divisionless football to accommodate USC, UCLA, Stanford, and a pick 3 and I'd buy that more than UT/OU to Big Ten.

UT has ZERO incentive to leave as long as OU is in place and can't see the Big Ten taking OU on spec.

I'm not at all sure Texas would follow Oklahoma to the B1G even if they were invited to do so.

Texas cannot afford to lose the Red River shootout. The donation value of being in line to get one of the seats at the Cotton Bowl is extremely valuable to UT.

With TAMU off the schedule, losing OU would be untenable. The impact on the value of the TV contract would be significant. The Sugar Bowl pays $17 million+ to take the Big XII champion if the champion is not in the CFP or to take the highest rated available team from the Big XII if the champion is in the playoff.

With OU out of the lineup that looks like a much shakier investment.

Texas doesn't have to follow OU, in fact it wouldn't be surprising if Texas opted to NOT follow, but the Big XII without OU is much less viable.

Lifelong OU fan here, but not an insider at all.

Today's status quo works for OU football: we generate enough revenue to be nationally competitive while playing regional rivals. The B12 gets a bad rap nationally (partially deserved), but OU has now qualified for three CFP's as part of it (or in spite of it).

When the B12 GOR and TV contracts expire, all bets are off. I seriously doubt the ability of the B12 to score similar media deals in the next round of negotiations. OU will listen to both the B1G and SEC. I will not be surprised to see OU in either conference.

Texas is the 800 pound gorilla. It's the largest school in the second largest state, with a massive alumni and fan base. In addition, it has the academic reputation that college presidents like. If a conference sees the need to expand, they need to make a play for Texas, whether they think they will succeed or not.

The B1G needs OU's football program. But, OU's academic reputation is inferior to the members of the B1G. If the B1G makes a play for OU, it has to make a play for Texas first. For the presidents and academic leaders, it has to be an academic move. UT checks those boxes. OU would be a tagalong, academically. The B1G cannot pursue OU alone. They have to pursue OU in a package with UT and/or Kansas. Even as part of a package deal, the consideration of OU is a stretch for the academically minded leadership of the B1G.

OU's academic leaders would looovvvve to be associated with the B1G. It would be a harder sell to the fan base, even if the B1G were able to do away with divisions and arrange more games with tOSU, UM, and PSU. The SEC would be a much easier sell to the fan base. The SEC is a better cultural and institutional fit, as well.

It will be a bidding war between the B1G and SEC. If these tweets are true, the B1G is taking steps to get ready.

I agree with your assessment. The hard sell for the Big 10 will be Texas. The Texas business model which is the strongest in college football would be alien to the Big 10 and Big 10 revenue sharing even from just a % of ticket sales would be anathema to Texas. And that doesn't even take into consideration the desire of Texas to play as many games at home or away at other Texas venues as possible. Since the Big 10 would be unlikely to take any other Big 12 Texas school with Texas that creates a major hurdle where the Horns are concerned.

Kansas would be a likely fit for the Big 10 culturally, academically, and athletically with regard to hoops prestige. However, Kansas may not be able to pay its way into the Big 10 with lousy football, and not much to offer outside of basketball which isn't a Big 10 need. The Big 10 already carries the major markets in Kansas and that too doesn't work in the Jayhawks favor. The old farm adage is apropos here, "Why buy the cow when you are already stealing the milk?"

That said I absolutely expect the Big 10 to make a run at Texas and Oklahoma. But I'm not sure they are headed anywhere. They tried to outlast the ACC to see who folded first thinking that if it was the ACC they could pick up the markets and brands they needed to survive. Why would that kind of thinking change now that the PAC seems vulnerable? They would make even better additions than schools from the ACC would have.

I think Texas continues to slow play realignment to see what might shake loose from the PAC. Oklahoma could move on their own, but they've made the CFP for the last two years and probably feel little athletic pressure to do so.

In the end I expect the SEC will get a fairly significant bump for an undervalued T1 contract. I expect the Big 10 to get a much smaller bump on the renewal of their 6 year deal with FOX. And both conferences will continue to increase the revenue gaps they have with respect to the ACC and PAC and that eventually they'll expand again because of it, but possibly not in 2024-5.

But, if the networks come in with a stagnant offer to the Big 12 that might be enough to knock OU and Kansas off of a static position and if so then Texas may have to be proactive.

So movement in 2022-3 (which is when I think it will happen if it is going to happen) is possible. I just don't see it as probable without a catalyst besides the desires of the SEC or Big 10.
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OU + Kansas --> Big Ten
Texas + TT ---> SEC
WVU + ??? ---> ACC
The rest of the Big XII --> call ups from AAC
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Feels like the B1G targeting UVa/UNC/GT and ending up with Rutgers/Maryland (latter a solid add).

B1G targets Oklahoma/Texas but ends up with Colorado/Kansas as OU/UT realize they have it made with the status quo.

You could actually get a somewhat cohesive 3x6 (5+2/6+2/6 for 9 games) if you managed all 4.

Iowa
Nebraska
Colorado
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas

Minnesota
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana

Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland

You would play each cross-divisional team twice in 6 years...which is the exact same as the current situation (6+1+2/6).
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(12-07-2018 05:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  OU + Kansas --> Big Ten
Texas + TT ---> SEC
WVU + ??? ---> ACC
The rest of the Big XII --> call ups from AAC

This is my prediction on next alighment.

Texas goes independent like Notre Dame.

UCF + USF + Cincinnati + Memphis --> Big 12
Missouri + UConn -- > B1G
UNLV + Boise State --> PAC 14
NC State --> SEC
West Virginia --> ACC

Also possibly,

North Dakota State + South Dakota --> Big 12 (to make 14 team conference)
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(12-07-2018 06:15 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Feels like the B1G targeting UVa/UNC/GT and ending up with Rutgers/Maryland (latter a solid add).

B1G targets Oklahoma/Texas but ends up with Colorado/Kansas as OU/UT realize they have it made with the status quo.

You could actually get a somewhat cohesive 3x6 (5+2/6+2/6 for 9 games) if you managed all 4.

Iowa
Nebraska
Colorado
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas

Minnesota
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana

Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland

You would play each cross-divisional team twice in 6 years...which is the exact same as the current situation (6+1+2/6).

Would they prefer that, or this:

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia
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ACC already passed on WVU once. Their academics aren’t up to snuff and neither is their reputation. I have also heard the Kansas to the B1G rumor also. Makes sense. The question is....who else goes with them? Doubt it’s OU because the state legislature won’t allow them to separate from OSU (IMHO).

A perfect partner would have been Mizzou, but that’s out. Perhaps they try to poach UVA from the east.
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(12-07-2018 06:30 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  ACC already passed on WVU once. Their academics aren’t up to snuff and neither is their reputation. I have also heard the Kansas to the B1G rumor also. Makes sense. The question is....who else goes with them? Doubt it’s OU because the state legislature won’t allow them to separate from OSU (IMHO).

A perfect partner would have been Mizzou, but that’s out. Perhaps they try to poach UVA from the east.

My prediction is that the next alignment will take place in 2037 or later.
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(12-07-2018 06:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-07-2018 06:15 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Feels like the B1G targeting UVa/UNC/GT and ending up with Rutgers/Maryland (latter a solid add).

B1G targets Oklahoma/Texas but ends up with Colorado/Kansas as OU/UT realize they have it made with the status quo.

You could actually get a somewhat cohesive 3x6 (5+2/6+2/6 for 9 games) if you managed all 4.

Iowa
Nebraska
Colorado
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas

Minnesota
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana

Michigan
Michigan State
Ohio State
Penn State
Rutgers
Maryland

You would play each cross-divisional team twice in 6 years...which is the exact same as the current situation (6+1+2/6).

Would they prefer that, or this:

Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M

Alabama, Auburn, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, West Virginia


The issue is that Colorado, Nebraska, Missouri and Texas A&M will fight to keep Texas out. ACC might put up with their bs. They got Notre Dame issue already. The other 3 power conferences would tell Texas to be completely equals with lowly schools like Rutgers, Minnesota, Washington State, Oregon State, Kentucky and so forth. I read an article that the schools with the most power in the Big 12 are Texas and Oklahoma, and the other 8 agreed to that arrangement.
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Colorado and Missouri will not fight that since they will not be leaving their current conferences.

By the way, Colorado never had a problem with Texas.
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