(12-08-2018 03:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The AAC isn't getting 2 million a year. Their CONFERENCE PAYOUTS are between 3-5 million....

LOL ... that must be mostly soon to dry up legacy payments from the old Big East.

Uh no. That's for the 9 non legacy teams..... Cute try though.

Uh yes, because where else is it coming from?

College football playoff money, NCAA tourney money, TV money, etc.

TV money is peanuts, $2 million per. CFP money is basically the same that the MAC gets. Yes, there's an incentive in their for getting the Access slot but it doesn't add up to much per team.

So that leaves NCAA tournament, which is legacy money from when the old Big East was earning credits hand over fist, before 2014.

And that is drying up. IIRC, in 2016, the AAC was paid a whopping $30 million from the NCAA tournament, for the 2011 - 2016 period. That's legacy money. That's more money than the TV deal.

I think we need to ask this question in about 2024.

UConn is holding onto the possibility of joining a P5 conference. And the American is banking on building to be the 6th best conference, closer to 5th than 7th. But come 2024-25 when OU and Texas make their decisions, we will almost certainly see the final crushing death blow to UConn's P5 dream, and after the B12 back fills, likely with American schools, the AAC will become much diminished in hoops and football, likely diluted more by their own back fill of CUSA schools.

If Hurley is still around at UConn it will be his 7th season when the issue comes to the fore. But honestly for the next 5 years it makes little sense to move at this time. The American is a pretty solid 7th conference which should pretty much be a 2 bid conference on really down years and 3 bid most every year. And it gives football a home. Take a sleep on this one. Check back in 5 years.

(12-07-2018 11:31 AM)stever20 Wrote:  It totally matters to UConn what the money is only going to be going forward. Who gives a rip if the Big East had a 500 million 12 year deal if all that is left going forward is 225 million for the last 6 years... Or whatever the number is. THAT is the number that matters to UConn.... What money the Big East would pay vs what they would get in the AAC going fowards.... That and that alone is what matters. What's been paid out in the past is just that- paid out in the past.

And the distributing only 28.6 million to the schools is pathetic. You do understand that's for EVERYTHING? TV, NCAA tourney distros, everything. For it to be not even 3 million is extremely low.

And if the AAC gets a new 6 million per school per year deal- that would take the AAC's distros from the current 3.5-5.5 million and take those up to 7.5-9.5 million(and more when AAC gets G5 spot in the access bowl- which has happened now in 3 of the 5 years).

There will be a contract after this one and UConn nor any other program would be so short sighted as to think the present is going to always be the norm. The conference has improved from what many thought was possible after the realignment. No doubt Fox re-ups the contract and the conference makes more money going forward, especially with UConn in the fold.

(12-08-2018 03:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:15 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The AAC isn't getting 2 million a year. Their CONFERENCE PAYOUTS are between 3-5 million....

LOL ... that must be mostly soon to dry up legacy payments from the old Big East.

Uh no. That's for the 9 non legacy teams..... Cute try though.

Uh yes, because where else is it coming from?

College football playoff money, NCAA tourney money, TV money, etc.

But you're not counting NCAA tourny money for the BE just the TV money.

(12-09-2018 10:05 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  LOL ... that must be mostly soon to dry up legacy payments from the old Big East.

Uh no. That's for the 9 non legacy teams..... Cute try though.

Uh yes, because where else is it coming from?

College football playoff money, NCAA tourney money, TV money, etc.

But you're not counting NCAA tourny money for the BE just the TV money.

The money you get from the conference IS for everything... So you can get 35-36 million dollars in revenue and then the conference expenses take out quite a bit of it.

For the AAC they get over 20 million for the college football playoff- and more in a year like this with the access bowl- so over 24 million. Then add in the TV money and NCAA tourney money and they have a good bit of revenue.

(12-08-2018 04:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  LOL ... that must be mostly soon to dry up legacy payments from the old Big East.

Uh no. That's for the 9 non legacy teams..... Cute try though.

Uh yes, because where else is it coming from?

College football playoff money, NCAA tourney money, TV money, etc.

TV money is peanuts, $2 million per. CFP money is basically the same that the MAC gets. Yes, there's an incentive in their for getting the Access slot but it doesn't add up to much per team.

So that leaves NCAA tournament, which is legacy money from when the old Big East was earning credits hand over fist, before 2014.

And that is drying up. IIRC, in 2016, the AAC was paid a whopping $30 million from the NCAA tournament, for the 2011 - 2016 period. That's legacy money. That's more money than the TV deal.

um- 2016 would be 2010-15 from only the AAC teams plus the non C7/ND teams that left. So no, they weren't paid anywhere close to 30 million.

Cute try though.

(12-09-2018 10:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 04:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Uh no. That's for the 9 non legacy teams..... Cute try though.

Uh yes, because where else is it coming from?

College football playoff money, NCAA tourney money, TV money, etc.

TV money is peanuts, $2 million per. CFP money is basically the same that the MAC gets. Yes, there's an incentive in their for getting the Access slot but it doesn't add up to much per team.

So that leaves NCAA tournament, which is legacy money from when the old Big East was earning credits hand over fist, before 2014.

And that is drying up. IIRC, in 2016, the AAC was paid a whopping $30 million from the NCAA tournament, for the 2011 - 2016 period. That's legacy money. That's more money than the TV deal.

um- 2016 would be 2010-15 from only the AAC teams plus the non C7/ND teams that left. So no, they weren't paid anywhere close to 30 million.

Cute try though.

http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/...ney-makers

"So which conference received a $29.3-million check from the NCAA’s $200-million basketball fund last spring? The American Athletic Conference, which still has its offices a jump shot away from the Rhode Island State House. The American’s take from the pot was the largest in the country, easily eclipsing the total earned by the Big 10 ($24.5 million) and the Big 12 ($20.1)."

The article also says that the AAC got to keep Louisville's tournament money, which was big in 2012 and 2013 when they made the final 4 both years.

This makes sense. The AAC has reported overall conference revenue of around $75 million the last few seasons. A quick and dirty breakdown would be about $20m for TV, $25m for CFP (when getting the Access Bowl), and $25m for NCAA tournament legacy money.

That NCAA tournament money is likely to fall significantly as the poor showings of 2015 - 2018 became a bigger factor and the great years of 2010 - 2014 fall off.

(12-10-2018 10:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 10:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 04:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:36 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Uh yes, because where else is it coming from?

College football playoff money, NCAA tourney money, TV money, etc.

TV money is peanuts, $2 million per. CFP money is basically the same that the MAC gets. Yes, there's an incentive in their for getting the Access slot but it doesn't add up to much per team.

So that leaves NCAA tournament, which is legacy money from when the old Big East was earning credits hand over fist, before 2014.

And that is drying up. IIRC, in 2016, the AAC was paid a whopping $30 million from the NCAA tournament, for the 2011 - 2016 period. That's legacy money. That's more money than the TV deal.

um- 2016 would be 2010-15 from only the AAC teams plus the non C7/ND teams that left. So no, they weren't paid anywhere close to 30 million.

Cute try though.

http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/...ney-makers

"So which conference received a $29.3-million check from the NCAA’s $200-million basketball fund last spring? The American Athletic Conference, which still has its offices a jump shot away from the Rhode Island State House. The American’s take from the pot was the largest in the country, easily eclipsing the total earned by the Big 10 ($24.5 million) and the Big 12 ($20.1)."

The article also says that the AAC got to keep Louisville's tournament money, which was big in 2012 and 2013 when they made the final 4 both years.

This makes sense. The AAC has reported overall conference revenue of around $75 million the last few seasons. A quick and dirty breakdown would be about $20m for TV, $25m for CFP (when getting the Access Bowl), and $25m for NCAA tournament legacy money.

That NCAA tournament money is likely to fall significantly as the poor showings of 2015 - 2018 became a bigger factor and the great years of 2010 - 2014 fall off.

The Article is wrong. The Big East did have about 120 units there- HOWEVER, the C7 units were a part of that and reverted to the C7 schools- meaning the AAC schools had to take that money and give the C7 schools their share from it.

So for the 2016 season- that's NCAA tourney performance 2010-15
Marquette- 11 units
Villanova- 4 units
Georgetown- 5 units
St John's- 1 unit
Notre Dame- 5 units

so a good 26 of those units the AAC never saw......

The payout for 2019 is based on the 2013-18 tourney.

Also would note that the legacy teams were getting about 7-8 million dollars.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/c...story.html

In 2016-17, South Florida received $8.877 million from the AAC, followed by UConn ($8.088 million), Cincinnati ($7.659 million), Houston ($5.410 million), Tulsa ($4.937 million) and Temple ($4.920 million). USF, UConn and Cincinnati are still receiving payments as part of the $70 million in exit fees for being former members of the Big East Conference, according to the Hartford Courant.

Memphis ($4.684 million), UCF ($4.042 million) East Carolina ($3.737 million), SMU ($3.701 million), Tulane ($3.587 million) and Navy ($2.623 million) account for the rest of the league’s revenue breakdown.

(12-10-2018 10:41 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-10-2018 10:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 10:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 04:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  College football playoff money, NCAA tourney money, TV money, etc.

TV money is peanuts, $2 million per. CFP money is basically the same that the MAC gets. Yes, there's an incentive in their for getting the Access slot but it doesn't add up to much per team.

So that leaves NCAA tournament, which is legacy money from when the old Big East was earning credits hand over fist, before 2014.

And that is drying up. IIRC, in 2016, the AAC was paid a whopping $30 million from the NCAA tournament, for the 2011 - 2016 period. That's legacy money. That's more money than the TV deal.

um- 2016 would be 2010-15 from only the AAC teams plus the non C7/ND teams that left. So no, they weren't paid anywhere close to 30 million.

Cute try though.

http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/...ney-makers

"So which conference received a $29.3-million check from the NCAA’s $200-million basketball fund last spring? The American Athletic Conference, which still has its offices a jump shot away from the Rhode Island State House. The American’s take from the pot was the largest in the country, easily eclipsing the total earned by the Big 10 ($24.5 million) and the Big 12 ($20.1)."

The article also says that the AAC got to keep Louisville's tournament money, which was big in 2012 and 2013 when they made the final 4 both years.

This makes sense. The AAC has reported overall conference revenue of around $75 million the last few seasons. A quick and dirty breakdown would be about $20m for TV, $25m for CFP (when getting the Access Bowl), and $25m for NCAA tournament legacy money.

That NCAA tournament money is likely to fall significantly as the poor showings of 2015 - 2018 became a bigger factor and the great years of 2010 - 2014 fall off.

The Article is wrong.

BTW, the Orlando Sentinel article is fine, I've seen that too. It comports with what I said - in 2017 the AAC got about about $43m in CFP and NCAA distribution, and then add on another $20m+ for TV, and then a few million more in whatever miscellaneous funds.

That's enabled the AAC to distribute about $4m per school to the newbies and $8m to to USF/Cincy/UConn.

That gravy train for USF is now over. And NCAA hoops units will keep falling, too, until the AAC starts to win again.

The OS article says AAC revenues fell from $80m to $75m between 2016 and 2017. That's not good.

CFP is going to hold steady at around $20m to $25m per year depending on whether AAC gets the Access bid. That's important, almost $2m per year per school. But hoops is much more variable, and of course the new TV deal is critical.

(12-10-2018 10:41 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-10-2018 10:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 10:44 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 04:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 03:38 PM)stever20 Wrote:  College football playoff money, NCAA tourney money, TV money, etc.

TV money is peanuts, $2 million per. CFP money is basically the same that the MAC gets. Yes, there's an incentive in their for getting the Access slot but it doesn't add up to much per team.

So that leaves NCAA tournament, which is legacy money from when the old Big East was earning credits hand over fist, before 2014.

And that is drying up. IIRC, in 2016, the AAC was paid a whopping $30 million from the NCAA tournament, for the 2011 - 2016 period. That's legacy money. That's more money than the TV deal.

um- 2016 would be 2010-15 from only the AAC teams plus the non C7/ND teams that left. So no, they weren't paid anywhere close to 30 million.

Cute try though.

http://www.providencejournal.com/sports/...ney-makers

"So which conference received a $29.3-million check from the NCAA’s $200-million basketball fund last spring? The American Athletic Conference, which still has its offices a jump shot away from the Rhode Island State House. The American’s take from the pot was the largest in the country, easily eclipsing the total earned by the Big 10 ($24.5 million) and the Big 12 ($20.1)."

The article also says that the AAC got to keep Louisville's tournament money, which was big in 2012 and 2013 when they made the final 4 both years.

This makes sense. The AAC has reported overall conference revenue of around $75 million the last few seasons. A quick and dirty breakdown would be about $20m for TV, $25m for CFP (when getting the Access Bowl), and $25m for NCAA tournament legacy money.

That NCAA tournament money is likely to fall significantly as the poor showings of 2015 - 2018 became a bigger factor and the great years of 2010 - 2014 fall off.

The Article is wrong. The Big East did have about 120 units there- HOWEVER, the C7 units were a part of that and reverted to the C7 schools- meaning the AAC schools had to take that money and give the C7 schools their share from it.

I don't know that we KNOW that for a fact actually. We have it on pretty good authority that the pre-nup said that. But we don't know what agreement the C7 and Aresco made about the credits--we retained the name, which is a valuable thing, and the MSG tournament, which also has value. We may have paid for those with our NCAA tournament credits.

Furthering the divorce analogy, the prenup said I keep my pension. But that doesn't stop us from agreeing in the divorce settlement that I give you half my pension check every month in exchange for your half of the jointly-owned house.

EDIT: Stever and Quo, you're BOTH wrong.

1. The article is not wrong. (AFAIK). We just didn't actually read it.
2. The C7 DID keep our credits.

Quote:As part of the agreement, the basketball schools retained the Big East name, the right to play their conference tournament at Madison Square Garden and leftover unit money that remained with the schools that earned it, primarily Marquette and Villanova. But the American retained millions of dollars in NCAA units earned by schools such as Louisville, West Virginia and Syracuse.

That may also solve the mystery of why Big East conference distributions are suspiciously low--the NCAA tournament credits from 2013 and before are getting mailed straight to the schools.