Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Crosstown Shootout
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
bearcatmark Online
Moderator
*

Posts: 16,430
Joined: Dec 2006
Reputation: 252
I Root For: the Deliverator
Location:
Post: #401
RE: Crosstown Shootout
Bottom line. If you're going to take cherry picked anecdotal evidence you can make any argument you want about almost every team in the country.
 
Yesterday 07:52 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
TubaCat Offline
1st Chair
*

Posts: 1,982
Joined: Sep 2014
Reputation: 76
I Root For: Bearcats, tubas
Location: Cincinnati
Post: #402
RE: Crosstown Shootout
I've been avoiding UC basketball this season, so I'm not sure what's going on here... but considering that this thread is still going, I can only assume that the Crosstown Shootout has been going on for 78 hours.
 
Yesterday 08:16 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Bearcats#1 Offline
σοφός
*

Posts: 41,793
Joined: Jun 2005
Reputation: 988
I Root For: Panicstricken
Location: In your head.
Post: #403
RE: Crosstown Shootout
I've reached my limit....<pulls out gong mallet>


Oldenburgcat: time to visit the negative zone

[Image: GONGSHOW7.jpg]
 
Yesterday 08:59 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
vabearcat Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,458
Joined: Nov 2004
Reputation: 48
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #404
RE: Crosstown Shootout
(Yesterday 06:43 PM)jarr Wrote:  I still maintain that the advanced stats (taking into account competition and pace) still can be skewed. UCs defense simply didnt impress against elite competition, and I realize these teams aren't going to be held in the 50's, but we have gotten torched by some teams. Which is more reason for Mick not to scoff at the need to be able to score and shoot in 2018.

This is a good post. Let's stipulate that UC has an outstanding defense, indeed one that has been consistently among the best in college basketball. Let's say that we get to the Elite 8 or the Final Four and we play a Gonzaga or a Duke or a Kansas or some other offensively talented team. Let's say we hold them to 72 points or 74 or 76. Can our offensively challenged team score enough to beat them? Likely not. Unless our offensive skill level improves substantially, we are unlikely to get to a place where we can have a realistic chance to compete for a national championship.
 
Yesterday 11:35 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Captain Bearcat Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,624
Joined: Jun 2010
Reputation: 211
I Root For: UC
Location: Normal, IL & Cincy
Post: #405
RE: Crosstown Shootout
(Yesterday 02:34 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(Yesterday 01:51 PM)OldenburgCat Wrote:  I cried when Kenyon broke his leg. I was a youngin' but that one hurt. It was out of our control. Last year was brutal. Absolutely brutal. As a grown adult who has kids, a very steady and great job, and an overall busy life, I haven't cared or been 'devastated' by that type of loss since Palmer tore his ACL in '06 when I was in college. Still remember feeling depressed about that one for weeks. But I was still relatively immature in life and was just starting 'on my own' with not many responsibilities so sports still ruled my life.

Last year's loss brought me very close to that feeling I had back in '06. After going through the upset with X in '96, Miles Simon, Iowa State, Northern Arizona, Kenyon, etc, Nevada takes the cake. It was embarrassing to be a UC fan after giving up that type of lead. It was brutal. Mick just doesn't have the ability to calm team down.

I actually laughed after the Nevada game. Basically chuckled and though "UC screwed it up again."

I watch and root and cheer and hope for great things from UC athletics. I do not, however, expect them anymore.

I also cried when Kenyon broke his leg, but the Nevada game takes the cake for me just because of where I was in life at the time.

I was at a bar in San Diego watching the Nevada game with my 4 year old daughter. We're the only UC fans in the bar, both fully decked out in UC gear (she's got a UC cheerleader uniform that she loves). The bar manager (who was actually a student of mine at the time) actually had the gall to come over to discuss my bill during the last 20 seconds of the game and wouldn't leave me alone.

My daughter ends the game by telling me that she wants to be a fan of a different team, because she wants to root for a team that wins. Grrrrrr! Then on the drive home, she started doing delightful cheers of "down the drive" but instead of saying "UC!" at the end, she'd say "We Lost!" Creative little bastard.
 
Today 12:24 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BigDawg Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,544
Joined: Mar 2004
Reputation: 22
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:

Donators
Post: #406
RE: Crosstown Shootout
(Today 12:24 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(Yesterday 02:34 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(Yesterday 01:51 PM)OldenburgCat Wrote:  I cried when Kenyon broke his leg. I was a youngin' but that one hurt. It was out of our control. Last year was brutal. Absolutely brutal. As a grown adult who has kids, a very steady and great job, and an overall busy life, I haven't cared or been 'devastated' by that type of loss since Palmer tore his ACL in '06 when I was in college. Still remember feeling depressed about that one for weeks. But I was still relatively immature in life and was just starting 'on my own' with not many responsibilities so sports still ruled my life.

Last year's loss brought me very close to that feeling I had back in '06. After going through the upset with X in '96, Miles Simon, Iowa State, Northern Arizona, Kenyon, etc, Nevada takes the cake. It was embarrassing to be a UC fan after giving up that type of lead. It was brutal. Mick just doesn't have the ability to calm team down.

I actually laughed after the Nevada game. Basically chuckled and though "UC screwed it up again."

I watch and root and cheer and hope for great things from UC athletics. I do not, however, expect them anymore.

I also cried when Kenyon broke his leg, but the Nevada game takes the cake for me just because of where I was in life at the time.

I was at a bar in San Diego watching the Nevada game with my 4 year old daughter. We're the only UC fans in the bar, both fully decked out in UC gear (she's got a UC cheerleader uniform that she loves). The bar manager (who was actually a student of mine at the time) actually had the gall to come over to discuss my bill during the last 20 seconds of the game and wouldn't leave me alone.

My daughter ends the game by telling me that she wants to be a fan of a different team, because she wants to root for a team that wins. Grrrrrr! Then on the drive home, she started doing delightful cheers of "down the drive" but instead of saying "UC!" at the end, she'd say "We Lost!" Creative little bastard.

That is some serious self control. My kids would have been left on the side of the road. They would have been lucky if I slowed down to less than 25 when I threw them out the car. 03-lmfao
 
Today 09:18 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CallMeSlim Online
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 174
Joined: Dec 2016
Reputation: 6
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #407
RE: Crosstown Shootout
(Yesterday 11:35 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  
(Yesterday 06:43 PM)jarr Wrote:  I still maintain that the advanced stats (taking into account competition and pace) still can be skewed. UCs defense simply didnt impress against elite competition, and I realize these teams aren't going to be held in the 50's, but we have gotten torched by some teams. Which is more reason for Mick not to scoff at the need to be able to score and shoot in 2018.

This is a good post. Let's stipulate that UC has an outstanding defense, indeed one that has been consistently among the best in college basketball. Let's say that we get to the Elite 8 or the Final Four and we play a Gonzaga or a Duke or a Kansas or some other offensively talented team. Let's say we hold them to 72 points or 74 or 76. Can our offensively challenged team score enough to beat them? Likely not. Unless our offensive skill level improves substantially, we are unlikely to get to a place where we can have a realistic chance to compete for a national championship.



theres no doubt you have to score to beat the really good teams. we still run an older style offense instead of the new age style of shoot a 3 or shoot a layup.


the game has evolved a lot the past 10-15 years but its easy to see why. here is a list of our guys shooting % on 2 point shots that aren't dunks or at the rim.

Jenifer - 25%
Cumberland - 37.7%
Scott - 38.7%
Keith - 39.3%
Cane - 58.1%

Last year

Clark - 38.9%
Evans - 36.8%
Cumberland 38.7%
Kwash - 52.5%
Broome - 31.7%
Jenifer - 33.3%

2 point jumpers just aren't good shots. our offense has us taking a lot of them.


to be great you have to be great on both sides. we are amazing on defense, offense does have to come around.
 
Today 10:48 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bearcatmark Online
Moderator
*

Posts: 16,430
Joined: Dec 2006
Reputation: 252
I Root For: the Deliverator
Location:
Post: #408
RE: Crosstown Shootout
(Today 10:48 AM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  
(Yesterday 11:35 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  
(Yesterday 06:43 PM)jarr Wrote:  I still maintain that the advanced stats (taking into account competition and pace) still can be skewed. UCs defense simply didnt impress against elite competition, and I realize these teams aren't going to be held in the 50's, but we have gotten torched by some teams. Which is more reason for Mick not to scoff at the need to be able to score and shoot in 2018.

This is a good post. Let's stipulate that UC has an outstanding defense, indeed one that has been consistently among the best in college basketball. Let's say that we get to the Elite 8 or the Final Four and we play a Gonzaga or a Duke or a Kansas or some other offensively talented team. Let's say we hold them to 72 points or 74 or 76. Can our offensively challenged team score enough to beat them? Likely not. Unless our offensive skill level improves substantially, we are unlikely to get to a place where we can have a realistic chance to compete for a national championship.



theres no doubt you have to score to beat the really good teams. we still run an older style offense instead of the new age style of shoot a 3 or shoot a layup.


the game has evolved a lot the past 10-15 years but its easy to see why. here is a list of our guys shooting % on 2 point shots that aren't dunks or at the rim.

Jenifer - 25%
Cumberland - 37.7%
Scott - 38.7%
Keith - 39.3%
Cane - 58.1%

Last year

Clark - 38.9%
Evans - 36.8%
Cumberland 38.7%
Kwash - 52.5%
Broome - 31.7%
Jenifer - 33.3%

2 point jumpers just aren't good shots. our offense has us taking a lot of them.


to be great you have to be great on both sides. we are amazing on defense, offense does have to come around.

Interesting that Cane and Kyle Washington are particularly adept 2 point shooters.
 
Today 11:35 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CallMeSlim Online
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 174
Joined: Dec 2016
Reputation: 6
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #409
RE: Crosstown Shootout
(Today 11:35 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
(Today 10:48 AM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  theres no doubt you have to score to beat the really good teams. we still run an older style offense instead of the new age style of shoot a 3 or shoot a layup.


the game has evolved a lot the past 10-15 years but its easy to see why. here is a list of our guys shooting % on 2 point shots that aren't dunks or at the rim.

Jenifer - 25%
Cumberland - 37.7%
Scott - 38.7%
Keith - 39.3%
Cane - 58.1%

Last year

Clark - 38.9%
Evans - 36.8%
Cumberland 38.7%
Kwash - 52.5%
Broome - 31.7%
Jenifer - 33.3%

2 point jumpers just aren't good shots. our offense has us taking a lot of them.


to be great you have to be great on both sides. we are amazing on defense, offense does have to come around.

Interesting that Cane and Kyle Washington are particularly adept 2 point shooters.


Cane is 40.6% if you combine the 2 years. he has 1 less make this year on 29 less attempts.
 
Today 11:43 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
levydl Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,152
Joined: Mar 2007
Reputation: 28
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #410
RE: Crosstown Shootout
(Today 10:48 AM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  the game has evolved a lot the past 10-15 years but its easy to see why. here is a list of our guys shooting % on 2 point shots that aren't dunks or at the rim.

Jenifer - 25%
Cumberland - 37.7%
Scott - 38.7%
Keith - 39.3%
Cane - 58.1%

Last year

Clark - 38.9%
Evans - 36.8%
Cumberland 38.7%
Kwash - 52.5%
Broome - 31.7%
Jenifer - 33.3%

2 point jumpers just aren't good shots. our offense has us taking a lot of them.


to be great you have to be great on both sides. we are amazing on defense, offense does have to come around.

Interesting stuff. It seems to me, though, that the NBA has evolved much more on offense than college has (the reverse of football, where college is innovating and the pros piggyback it). You say that our offense takes a lot of 2 point jumpers, and that rings true based on my own observations. Do you know what percentage of UC's shots are 2 pointers not at the rim and how they compare to others and particularly to other good offenses?
 
Today 11:47 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
CallMeSlim Online
Bench Warmer
*

Posts: 174
Joined: Dec 2016
Reputation: 6
I Root For: Cincinnati
Location:
Post: #411
RE: Crosstown Shootout
(Today 11:47 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(Today 10:48 AM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  the game has evolved a lot the past 10-15 years but its easy to see why. here is a list of our guys shooting % on 2 point shots that aren't dunks or at the rim.

Jenifer - 25%
Cumberland - 37.7%
Scott - 38.7%
Keith - 39.3%
Cane - 58.1%

Last year

Clark - 38.9%
Evans - 36.8%
Cumberland 38.7%
Kwash - 52.5%
Broome - 31.7%
Jenifer - 33.3%

2 point jumpers just aren't good shots. our offense has us taking a lot of them.


to be great you have to be great on both sides. we are amazing on defense, offense does have to come around.

Interesting stuff. It seems to me, though, that the NBA has evolved much more on offense than college has (the reverse of football, where college is innovating and the pros piggyback it). You say that our offense takes a lot of 2 point jumpers, and that rings true based on my own observations. Do you know what percentage of UC's shots are 2 pointers not at the rim and how they compare to others and particularly to other good offenses?



we are 334 out of 353 in % of shots that are 2 point jumpers at 34.4%. we are 343 out of 353 in % of shots that are 3 pointers at 27.6%.


Just a quick glance I see North Carolina (321), Kentucky (310), and Tennessee (297) in % of 2 point shots being jumpers
 
(This post was last modified: Today 12:02 PM by CallMeSlim.)
Today 11:58 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: Lush, 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2018 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2018 MyBB Group.