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(12-06-2018 01:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 01:21 PM)Banter Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 12:43 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 11:14 AM)Banter Wrote:  I am sure it will be the same as most years. We probably lose by about 10, and people will point to one guy who gets "hot" against us, but the reality is most good teams beat us because they can shoot. When they get hot we can't keep up because we have never been a good shooting team since I started watching Basketball.

I have only seen us win 3 or 4 times agains Xavier, so I have always considered us the little brother. In my opinion they have a much better program than we do... Though I am sure I will get flamed or called a Xavier fan for my thoughts on the Shootout.

Lol, I'd love to hear your explanation for that. Most of the anger from UC's side should be directed at the fact that we've allowed their program to be on equal footing since they've been winning the H2H games for quite a while now, stealing a couple at our place despite our inability to be competent at Cintas.

What metric do you want me to use? Xavier is better than us in most of them since 2000-2001.

Since 2000-2001:

• 6-13 Head to head record
• less overall wins
• less times ranked to finish the season
• less NCAA tourneys
• less conference titles
• much worse tournament record
• less All Americans
  

But we can always say we have more Final Four appearances...even though as a 30 year old I would have been 4 the last time that happened , and I would have been 8 the last time UC made it to the Elite 8...meanwhile Xavier has made it to the Elite Eight multiple times since the turn of the century.

We have not been the better team or program for over 20 years.

Someone will respond with a Kenpom stat

Dang. 6-13 Is all you need to know. Regardless of the circumstances, rebuild, excuses.

(12-06-2018 09:51 PM)ZCat Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 01:24 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 01:21 PM)Banter Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 12:43 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 11:14 AM)Banter Wrote:  I am sure it will be the same as most years. We probably lose by about 10, and people will point to one guy who gets "hot" against us, but the reality is most good teams beat us because they can shoot. When they get hot we can't keep up because we have never been a good shooting team since I started watching Basketball.

I have only seen us win 3 or 4 times agains Xavier, so I have always considered us the little brother. In my opinion they have a much better program than we do... Though I am sure I will get flamed or called a Xavier fan for my thoughts on the Shootout.

Lol, I'd love to hear your explanation for that. Most of the anger from UC's side should be directed at the fact that we've allowed their program to be on equal footing since they've been winning the H2H games for quite a while now, stealing a couple at our place despite our inability to be competent at Cintas.

What metric do you want me to use? Xavier is better than us in most of them since 2000-2001.

Since 2000-2001:

• 6-13 Head to head record
• less overall wins
• less times ranked to finish the season
• less NCAA tourneys
• less conference titles
• much worse tournament record
• less All Americans
  

But we can always say we have more Final Four appearances...even though as a 30 year old I would have been 4 the last time that happened , and I would have been 8 the last time UC made it to the Elite 8...meanwhile Xavier has made it to the Elite Eight multiple times since the turn of the century.

We have not been the better team or program for over 20 years.

Someone will respond with a Kenpom stat

Dang. 6-13 Is all you need to know. Regardless of the circumstances, rebuild, excuses.

50-35. Soon to be 51.

(12-06-2018 06:09 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  Kanter wasn't some scrub though. 124.2 ORTG player last year that had 15+ 10 times

To be fair, Kanter was averaging 5 points a game coming into the Shootout and was exactly 0% 0-5 from 3.

(12-07-2018 09:34 AM)TheShoeFits Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 06:09 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  Kanter wasn't some scrub though. 124.2 ORTG player last year that had 15+ 10 times

To be fair, Kanter was averaging 5 points a game coming into the Shootout and was exactly 0% 0-5 from 3.

Also a 28% 3 point shooter for his career going into the season.

It'd be like if Fredericks had 20 points in 17 minutes and was 2-2 from three on Saturday. We think Fredericks might be something, but he really hasn't show much yet and XU certainly isn't gameplanning to stop him.

(12-07-2018 09:34 AM)TheShoeFits Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 06:09 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  Kanter wasn't some scrub though. 124.2 ORTG player last year that had 15+ 10 times

To be fair, Kanter was averaging 5 points a game coming into the Shootout and was exactly 0% 0-5 from 3.

To be fair, if a team owns you and there's nothing you can do about it, the millenial thing to do is pretend like you don't care and it's out of your control. Which Mick does to perfection. Kill me.

(12-07-2018 09:50 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:34 AM)TheShoeFits Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 06:09 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  Kanter wasn't some scrub though. 124.2 ORTG player last year that had 15+ 10 times

To be fair, Kanter was averaging 5 points a game coming into the Shootout and was exactly 0% 0-5 from 3.

To be fair, if a team owns you and there's nothing you can do about it, the millenial thing to do is pretend like you don't care and it's out of your control. Which Mick does to perfection. Kill me.

Oh *** ****... who knew we could work a millennial shot into this thread.

(12-07-2018 09:51 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:50 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:34 AM)TheShoeFits Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 06:09 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  Kanter wasn't some scrub though. 124.2 ORTG player last year that had 15+ 10 times

To be fair, Kanter was averaging 5 points a game coming into the Shootout and was exactly 0% 0-5 from 3.

To be fair, if a team owns you and there's nothing you can do about it, the millenial thing to do is pretend like you don't care and it's out of your control. Which Mick does to perfection. Kill me.

Oh *** ****... who knew we could work a millennial shot into this thread.

Joke aside, this is pretty much Mick's attitude. As evidenced by his careless Kanter comment. Probably helps keep him from going insane.

He was talking about being concerned about a guy who normally doesn't make shots, making shots in this specific game. As in, concerned about it happening again. After what we've seen, I'd say that's a legitimate concern.

It's not like he said the only we lost is because enes kanter's brother is terrible basketball player but happened to make shots against us.

This is so stupid that this is even a story.

(12-07-2018 10:23 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  He was talking about being concerned about a guy who normally doesn't make shots, making shots in this specific game. As in, concerned about it happening again. After what we've seen, I'd say that's a legitimate concern.

It's not like he said the only we lost is because enes kanter's brother is terrible basketball player but happened to make shots against us.

This is so stupid that this is even a story.

it was stupid to talk about specific players. he could have easily said "the strange things i worry about are guys that don't typically shoot well making shots." and thats it. you dont need to bring up players from the other team, especially for this game.

(12-07-2018 10:23 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  He was talking about being concerned about a guy who normally doesn't make shots, making shots in this specific game. As in, concerned about it happening again. After what we've seen, I'd say that's a legitimate concern.

It's not like he said the only we lost is because enes kanter's brother is terrible basketball player but happened to make shots against us.

This is so stupid that this is even a story.

Amen

Can we all at least agree Xavier has some of the worst uniforms in college basketball and the worst shorts?

(12-07-2018 11:13 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Can we all at least agree Xavier has some of the worst uniforms in college basketball and the worst shorts?

I agree with ya.

They're just so... plain. You don't even really notice that it's an "X" on the side of the shorts and the font is nothing that anyone would recognize if you don't read it.

Plus, they've really done themselves no favors by going with the dark navy looking blue. They should have stuck with the royal blue with the light blue accents that they had back in the 80's. That was a good look, even though I hated it.

But can you say? It's Xavier. They're stupid.

(12-07-2018 11:23 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 11:13 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Can we all at least agree Xavier has some of the worst uniforms in college basketball and the worst shorts?

I agree with ya.

They're just so... plain. You don't even really notice that it's an "X" on the side of the shorts and the font is nothing that anyone would recognize if you don't read it.

Plus, they've really done themselves no favors by going with the dark navy looking blue. They should have stuck with the royal blue with the light blue accents that they had back in the 80's. That was a good look, even though I hated it.

But can you say? It's Xavier. They're stupid.

everybody tries to do black, or as close to it as they can. they can thank us for that, we made it cool

(12-07-2018 11:13 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Can we all at least agree Xavier has some of the worst uniforms in college basketball and the worst shorts?

I like the powder blue uniforms. The large thin x on the side of their shorts always look like duct tape to me.

(12-07-2018 10:23 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  He was talking about being concerned about a guy who normally doesn't make shots, making shots in this specific game. As in, concerned about it happening again. After what we've seen, I'd say that's a legitimate concern.

It's not like he said the only we lost is because enes kanter's brother is terrible basketball player but happened to make shots against us.

This is so stupid that this is even a story.

I would prefer he say he is concerned about his team, something he can control and take responsibility of. Maybe introspectively ask "Why does one team seem to always have a guy make shots out of the blue, and none of my guys ever do in this game?" Came off as sounding weak IMO. Which given his track record vs X, he is.

X or March. I'd be happy with either, coach. It starts tomorrow.

(12-07-2018 11:26 AM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 11:23 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 11:13 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Can we all at least agree Xavier has some of the worst uniforms in college basketball and the worst shorts?

I agree with ya.

They're just so... plain. You don't even really notice that it's an "X" on the side of the shorts and the font is nothing that anyone would recognize if you don't read it.

Plus, they've really done themselves no favors by going with the dark navy looking blue. They should have stuck with the royal blue with the light blue accents that they had back in the 80's. That was a good look, even though I hated it.

But can you say? It's Xavier. They're stupid.

everybody tries to do black, or as close to it as they can. they can thank us for that, we made it cool

This too!

I think it should be a rule that if black isn't one of your declared colors, you can't have black uniforms.

That's our thing.

(12-07-2018 11:31 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:23 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  He was talking about being concerned about a guy who normally doesn't make shots, making shots in this specific game. As in, concerned about it happening again. After what we've seen, I'd say that's a legitimate concern.

It's not like he said the only we lost is because enes kanter's brother is terrible basketball player but happened to make shots against us.

This is so stupid that this is even a story.

I would prefer he say he is concerned about his team, something he can control and take responsibility of. Maybe introspectively ask "Why does one team seem to always have a guy make shots out of the blue, and none of my guys ever do in this game?" Came off as sounding weak IMO. Which given his track record vs X, he is.

X or March. I'd be happy with either, coach. It starts tomorrow.

The bad faith interpretations by some of you guys are so tiresome. He said immediately after answering the question about strange things, "You gotta find a way to win the game."

(12-06-2018 06:09 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 05:26 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 05:13 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  It's one thing for us fans to point out how X seems to ALWAYS have a player go off who normally doesn't. But Mick????



UC Bearcats' Mick Cronin disrespects former Xavier player Kerem Kanter
Dave Clark, Cincinnati Enquirer Published 4:41 p.m. ET Dec. 6, 2018

As Saturday's Crosstown Shootout gets closer, the back and forth between the two sides is heating up as it does every year.

Cincinnati Bearcats head coach Mick Cronin didn't disrespect any current Xavier Musketeers when asked about anything "strange" happening during the Crosstown Shootout, but did suggest that Kerem Kanter, who scored 17 points a year ago in his only Crosstown Shootout, is a guy who "never makes shots" and refused to refer to him by his name - only as Enes Kanter's brother - per FOX 19's Jeremy Rauch.


@FOX19Jeremy
Mick Cronin asked how he prevents "something strange" from happening on OR off court in Crosstown Shootout:

[i]"Strange things that bother me are guys making shots that never make shots. Enes Kanter's brother getting 17." @fox19 #Bearcats (Courtesy @GoBEARCATS)


Kanter was the Musketeers' third-leading scorer (behind current NBA two-way players Trevon Bluiett and J.P. Macura) during the 2017-18 season, averaging 10.9 points per game.

Kanter plays for JL Bourg Basket of the LNB Pro A in France.[/i]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...231361002/

Typical Mick.

Here's an idea... Answer the damn question for once. Instead of pushing the blame off on fans for having unrealistic expectations, instead of pushing the blame off on to "guys who don't make shots who suddenly make shots," front up and own the fact that every year someone on Xavier seems to find the seams and weakspots in YOUR defensive scheme and make easy buckets.

Oh, and why don't you (Coach Mick Cronin) NOT give Xavier "bulletin board" material ahead of the game? But really this is proof that, while Chris Mack may be gone, he still lives rent-free inside Cronin's head.

Watch the video. What Mick says and how he says it aren't even close to what the trash reporter from the Enquirer is making it out to be.

I am not a Mick guy by any means. Mick says some pretty condescending disrespectful stuff.

However, this this not one of them. Weak of the Enquirer to drum up phony controversy.

(12-07-2018 11:52 AM)levydl Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 11:31 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 10:23 AM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  He was talking about being concerned about a guy who normally doesn't make shots, making shots in this specific game. As in, concerned about it happening again. After what we've seen, I'd say that's a legitimate concern.

It's not like he said the only we lost is because enes kanter's brother is terrible basketball player but happened to make shots against us.

This is so stupid that this is even a story.

I would prefer he say he is concerned about his team, something he can control and take responsibility of. Maybe introspectively ask "Why does one team seem to always have a guy make shots out of the blue, and none of my guys ever do in this game?" Came off as sounding weak IMO. Which given his track record vs X, he is.

X or March. I'd be happy with either, coach. It starts tomorrow.

The bad faith interpretations by some of you guys are so tiresome. He said immediately after answering the question about strange things, "You gotta find a way to win the game."

It's not the bad faith that gets under my skin, though it was a little careless. It's how he continues to downplay the enormity of this game and acts like it's out of his control.