(12-04-2018 09:38 PM)Usajags Wrote:  KSU has the same dilemma as GaSt. If GaSt can’t get attention, KSU is going to get a fraction of what GaSt gets. It’s just how it is in a city like that, bigger things going on.

Alumni and student support at KSU is where GSU was in 1990-1992. I remember for our first time in the NCAAs nobody on campus was even mentioning it.

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(12-04-2018 11:20 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 11:08 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  Southern played Texas State in FCS as well.


I don't think this is a FCS issue, but a program/AD issue. There are plenty of FCS teams that draw well.

Pretty much every Georgia Southern fan remembers that November night in 2005.

The original Georgia team melt down.

Makes the Falcons and Georgia look like amateurs.

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(12-04-2018 11:20 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 11:08 PM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  Southern played Texas State in FCS as well.


I don't think this is a FCS issue, but a program/AD issue. There are plenty of FCS teams that draw well.

Pretty much every Georgia Southern fan remembers that November night in 2005.

The point was as a casual fan of the sport at the time. I had no idea the game even took place.

(12-04-2018 09:23 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  It's atlanta...none of you draw worth a damn other than the united.

This. A Metro where 50% of residents are not from Georgia. State will NEVER have decent attendance.

Be grateful for the corporate money and political clout.

(12-05-2018 08:10 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:23 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  It's atlanta...none of you draw worth a damn other than the united.

This. A Metro where 50% of residents are not from Georgia. State will NEVER have decent attendance.

Be grateful for the corporate money and political clout.

you realize none of the schools in our conference are state flagship schools that have represented the pride of the state against other state's teams for a hundred or more years and none of us can be Boise state and sneak into that role. It is what it is. each has their following to try and maximize but the sky is actually not the limit for any of us.

It always took a lot of effort to follow FCS football. There used to be better websites that gave good coverage but they are gone. Game were never on TV and I remember running bootleg streams of TXST games that ran from our video board. In Texas, no one cares about FCS. SHSU had how many great years in a row and it's not even a blip on the radar here in Houston and they had lower attendance than back when we used to play them. Maybe it is bigger in the northeast where there is a larger cluster of FCS teams and no real massive FBS teams outside of Penn St. I enjoyed our FCS days and the 2005 year cemented me as a TXST fan but I am so much happier in the SBC even if most people can't name 3 schools in it.

(12-05-2018 08:47 AM)slycat Wrote:  It always took a lot of effort to follow FCS football. There used to be better websites that gave good coverage but they are gone. Game were never on TV and I remember running bootleg streams of TXST games that ran from our video board. In Texas, no one cares about FCS. SHSU had how many great years in a row and it's not even a blip on the radar here in Houston and they had lower attendance than back when we used to play them. Maybe it is bigger in the northeast where there is a larger cluster of FCS teams and no real massive FBS teams outside of Penn St. I enjoyed our FCS days and the 2005 year cemented me as a TXST fan but I am so much happier in the SBC even if most people can't name 3 schools in it.

That's more than any Southland schools though. The only reason I had heard about them was because we played a semifinal game there and ran our regional track meets there in high school.

I at least knew the Sun Belt schools from the NCAA games before we joined.

The simple truth is some people don't care about their school and its athletics unless ESPN tells them they should.

(12-05-2018 09:08 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  The simple truth is some people don't care about their school and its athletics unless ESPN tells them they should.

And ESPN has now removed FCS teams from the tracker this year IRRC.

I wouldn't mind having P5, G5, FCS systems.

AAC should remain in the G5 (+BYU) and we could have our own Top 25 / playoff system, etc

P5 and G5 teams should still schedule OOC games however.

I know most people don't like this idea, but I would be open to it...

G5 Top 25 would still be attractive:
Boise St / Fresno St / ECU / Memphis / Houston / UCF / USF / BYU / Marshall / USM / Troy / App St / Ark St etc etc

(12-05-2018 09:22 AM)T2003 Wrote:  I wouldn't mind having P5, G5, FCS systems.

AAC should remain in the G5 (+BYU) and we could have our own Top 25 / playoff system, etc

P5 and G5 teams should still schedule OOC games however.

I know most people don't like this idea, but I would be open to it...

G5 Top 25 would still be attractive:
Boise St / Fresno St / ECU / Memphis / Houston / UCF / USF / BYU / Marshall / USM / Troy / App St / Ark St etc etc

There's absolutely no reason why D1-A football can't follow the same structure as D1 basketball. There's no need to split the D1 into three separate subdivisions. This is why the College basketball post season is infinitely more fun to watch.

(12-05-2018 08:53 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 08:47 AM)slycat Wrote:  It always took a lot of effort to follow FCS football. There used to be better websites that gave good coverage but they are gone. Game were never on TV and I remember running bootleg streams of TXST games that ran from our video board. In Texas, no one cares about FCS. SHSU had how many great years in a row and it's not even a blip on the radar here in Houston and they had lower attendance than back when we used to play them. Maybe it is bigger in the northeast where there is a larger cluster of FCS teams and no real massive FBS teams outside of Penn St. I enjoyed our FCS days and the 2005 year cemented me as a TXST fan but I am so much happier in the SBC even if most people can't name 3 schools in it.

That's more than any Southland schools though. The only reason I had heard about them was because we played a semifinal game there and ran our regional track meets there in high school.

I at least knew the Sun Belt schools from the NCAA games before we joined.

Oh I agree. I had honestly never heard of SWT until I was applying to colleges and then learned the SLC was a thing too. I grew up in the DFW area. I didn't know I-AA or FCS existed at the time.

(12-05-2018 09:22 AM)T2003 Wrote:  I wouldn't mind having P5, G5, FCS systems.

AAC should remain in the G5 (+BYU) and we could have our own Top 25 / playoff system, etc

P5 and G5 teams should still schedule OOC games however.

I know most people don't like this idea, but I would be open to it...

G5 Top 25 would still be attractive:
Boise St / Fresno St / ECU / Memphis / Houston / UCF / USF / BYU / Marshall / USM / Troy / App St / Ark St etc etc

Uhh no thanks.. there is a way to get P5/G5 together..

(12-05-2018 09:59 AM)slycat Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 08:53 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  

(12-05-2018 08:47 AM)slycat Wrote:  It always took a lot of effort to follow FCS football. There used to be better websites that gave good coverage but they are gone. Game were never on TV and I remember running bootleg streams of TXST games that ran from our video board. In Texas, no one cares about FCS. SHSU had how many great years in a row and it's not even a blip on the radar here in Houston and they had lower attendance than back when we used to play them. Maybe it is bigger in the northeast where there is a larger cluster of FCS teams and no real massive FBS teams outside of Penn St. I enjoyed our FCS days and the 2005 year cemented me as a TXST fan but I am so much happier in the SBC even if most people can't name 3 schools in it.

That's more than any Southland schools though. The only reason I had heard about them was because we played a semifinal game there and ran our regional track meets there in high school.

I at least knew the Sun Belt schools from the NCAA games before we joined.

Oh I agree. I had honestly never heard of SWT until I was applying to colleges and then learned the SLC was a thing too. I grew up in the DFW area. I didn't know I-AA or FCS existed at the time.

TBH I probably wouldn't have heard of us either except my mom went to SWT and was super proud of those nattys. I can't even imagine a d2 school putting 15k in the stands nowadays. That must've been an awesome time.

I'm sure North Dakota State winning every year isn't helping either. Massey has those dudes at #24.

There's be a big drain on FCS powerhouses in the last few decades, from programs falling behind to other programs transitioning to FBS.

Look at all the FCS champions:

Since 1978 there's only been 21 different champions. Out of those 21 there have been 7 transition to FBS.

That's 33%. Now with the total domination of NDSU and way too expanded playoffs it just seems even more watered down

(12-05-2018 11:13 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  There's be a big drain on FCS powerhouses in the last few decades, from programs falling behind to other programs transitioning to FBS.

Look at all the FCS champions:

Since 1978 there's only been 21 different champions. Out of those 21 there have been 7 transition to FBS.

That's 33%. Now with the total domination of NDSU and way too expanded playoffs it just seems even more watered down

The biggest shock to me is the downfall of Montana. Maybe NDSU's success in that region has taken the talent Montana used to get but they have just not been the power they once were.

Montana made a horrible coaching hire, had some key injuries, and got into some NCAA trouble too I think.


Montana, Montana State, Delaware, 'Nova, Furman and Chatty all stinkin up the place recently.

I've always been jealous of Montana's stadium

(12-05-2018 11:32 AM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  Montana made a horrible coaching hire, had some key injuries, and got into some NCAA trouble too I think.


Montana, Montana State, Delaware, 'Nova, Furman and Chatty all stinkin up the place recently.

Delaware success was right before I really got involved with FCS. To be fair so was GS's. But The Eagles were still good and had fans on the messages boards to know they existed. Chatty to me were always a bad team. Furman and Nova put up a lot of good teams. McNeese St was the SLC power that went on decline as SHSU took the FBS transfer route to dominate that conference. EWU had a good run too but I never took them seriously because of that red field.