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RE: Frazier extended to 2023
(12-04-2018 03:00 PM)cawoo22 Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 02:30 PM)HuskieBowWow Wrote:  In general, I support Frazier and believe he is doing a good job in spite of our lack of financial support. My only problem with him is in his hesitation to replace coaches who are under performing (Monty, Carey). I know most of you think Carey is doing a good job. I happen to disagree and think there are better options to replace him.

And an absolute metric s*^t-ton of worse options, too, but it's been so long since NIU rolled snake eyes on a football coach that you seem to think it's impossible for them to hire a program killer.

Virtually every other MAC school seems to do it once a decade, if not more.

You just watched the football team fight their asses off and bring home a championship 5 days ago. But hey, fake punt, right?

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RE: Frazier extended to 2023
In absence of brilliance, stability is paramount.
Love or hate Carey, we have remained a viable, if not a good program, under his watch.

Having a stable head coach keeps recruits. A high turnover in coaches means good recruits de-commit.

Look at the turmoil in other MAC teams and their coaches at this point. Even a flash in the pan like Fleck, who brought great success to WMU, left behind a certain amount of chaos. The whole boat-rower thing was an embarrassment.

Having stability at the AD position is important too. Frazier put together a great schedule this year, and we easily could have been 2-2 in OOC play against high-level teams. He does a lot with the few resources he has.

Sagarin has our SOS at 73, which is pretty good for a mid-major.

We just had a spectacular comeback to win yet another MACC. I'm going to enjoy that and the upcoming bowl game, and give Carey/Frazier the benefit of the doubt.
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RE: Frazier extended to 2023
(12-04-2018 01:06 PM)klake87 Wrote:  He is a solid administrator. With budget issues in state of Illinois, declining enrollment etc. he has done a good job. This is not Texas, TheOSU, Notre Dame, Alabama etc, who have huge Athletic budgets, NIU has limited resources.

In addition, our student athletes graduate and many have very high GPAs. That should be applauded.

Well said. I’m glad he’s extended!
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RE: Frazier extended to 2023
(12-04-2018 03:45 PM)MiamiHuskie Wrote:  In absence of brilliance, stability is paramount.
Love or hate Carey, we have remained a viable, if not a good program, under his watch.

Having a stable head coach keeps recruits. A high turnover in coaches means good recruits de-commit.

Look at the turmoil in other MAC teams and their coaches at this point. Even a flash in the pan like Fleck, who brought great success to WMU, left behind a certain amount of chaos. The whole boat-rower thing was an embarrassment.

Having stability at the AD position is important too. Frazier put together a great schedule this year, and we easily could have been 2-2 in OOC play against high-level teams. He does a lot with the few resources he has.

Sagarin has our SOS at 73, which is pretty good for a mid-major.

We just had a spectacular comeback to win yet another MACC. I'm going to enjoy that and the upcoming bowl game, and give Carey/Frazier the benefit of the doubt.

Well said. The times I have talked to STF he has been very pleasant and his passion for the Huskies is real.
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RE: Frazier extended to 2023
(12-04-2018 02:47 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 02:38 PM)sportsfan Wrote:  And, where does it actually say that a school must disclose any extensions promptly. My take is that it's none of anybody's business. If someone stumbles upon it or if there's an indication that something might have happened and files for the information so be it. But this thing about people having their shorts out of wack because they weren't told first is nonsense. Nothing says that the university has to clear it with anyone on this board or advise this board of any process.
None of us are that important so live with it.

The university is a government institution and should be transparent to the taxpayers by proactively communicating, especially when the football coach and the athletic direction are such high profile, highly compensated state employees.
And, if that is your opinion, I certainly respect it. But, my point is that it is not required. "Should" is one thing but "must" is another.
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(12-04-2018 04:58 PM)sportsfan Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 02:47 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 02:38 PM)sportsfan Wrote:  And, where does it actually say that a school must disclose any extensions promptly. My take is that it's none of anybody's business. If someone stumbles upon it or if there's an indication that something might have happened and files for the information so be it. But this thing about people having their shorts out of wack because they weren't told first is nonsense. Nothing says that the university has to clear it with anyone on this board or advise this board of any process.
None of us are that important so live with it.

The university is a government institution and should be transparent to the taxpayers by proactively communicating, especially when the football coach and the athletic direction are such high profile, highly compensated state employees.
And, if that is your opinion, I certainly respect it. But, my point is that it is not required. "Should" is one thing but "must" is another.

I agree that governments should be transparent, and certainly do not agree it is not anybody's business. That would be a very strange attitude to have toward the fans and in the long run would hurt the programs.
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RE: Frazier extended to 2023
(12-04-2018 03:00 PM)cawoo22 Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 02:30 PM)HuskieBowWow Wrote:  In general, I support Frazier and believe he is doing a good job in spite of our lack of financial support. My only problem with him is in his hesitation to replace coaches who are under performing (Monty, Carey). I know most of you think Carey is doing a good job. I happen to disagree and think there are better options to replace him.

And an absolute metric s*^t-ton of worse options, too, but it's been so long since NIU rolled snake eyes on a football coach that you seem to think it's impossible for them to hire a program killer.

Virtually every other MAC school seems to do it once a decade, if not more.

You just watched the football team fight their asses off and bring home a championship 5 days ago. But hey, fake punt, right?

Fake news! Our last football championship was 4 days ago.
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MD,

Your unbridled passion and resourcefulness for NIU athletics is appreciated and valued. You calling your shot at making the Orange Bowl in 2012 solidified yourself as an NIU legend forever in my books. You have a permanently open invitation for free drinks at any Huskie FB, BB, Detroit trips in the future to chew my ears off with 90s classics from Chick Evans.

Thought to add positive energy after one member requesting with dancing emoticons for another member of the NIU community to kill himself in this thread has gone unchecked.
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RE: Frazier extended to 2023
(12-04-2018 07:23 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  MD,

Your unbridled passion and resourcefulness for NIU athletics is appreciated and valued. You calling your shot at making the Orange Bowl in 2012 solidified yourself as an NIU legend forever in my books. You have a permanently open invitation for free drinks at any Huskie FB, BB, Detroit trips in the future to chew my ears off with 90s classics from Chick Evans.

Thought to add positive energy after one member requesting with dancing emoticons for another member of the NIU community to kill himself in this thread has gone unchecked.

Oh come on Woke Up, you can’t be serious that I meant that even remotely.

MD is certainly in the top tier of those with NIU passion. He’s also notorious for hijacking threads with negative points repeated on end. (Hence his five month hiatus from this board earlier this year.)

Apologies to MD, Woke Up and anyone else on this board who found my “tongue in cheek” comment offensive.

Go Huskies.
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RE: Frazier extended to 2023
(12-04-2018 04:58 PM)sportsfan Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 02:47 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 02:38 PM)sportsfan Wrote:  And, where does it actually say that a school must disclose any extensions promptly. My take is that it's none of anybody's business. If someone stumbles upon it or if there's an indication that something might have happened and files for the information so be it. But this thing about people having their shorts out of wack because they weren't told first is nonsense. Nothing says that the university has to clear it with anyone on this board or advise this board of any process.
None of us are that important so live with it.

The university is a government institution and should be transparent to the taxpayers by proactively communicating, especially when the football coach and the athletic direction are such high profile, highly compensated state employees.
And, if that is your opinion, I certainly respect it. But, my point is that it is not required. "Should" is one thing but "must" is another.

Actually, transparency is a "must" since the school is an entity of state government.

No one said this board should be consulted first.
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(12-04-2018 09:52 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 04:58 PM)sportsfan Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 02:47 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 02:38 PM)sportsfan Wrote:  And, where does it actually say that a school must disclose any extensions promptly. My take is that it's none of anybody's business. If someone stumbles upon it or if there's an indication that something might have happened and files for the information so be it. But this thing about people having their shorts out of wack because they weren't told first is nonsense. Nothing says that the university has to clear it with anyone on this board or advise this board of any process.
None of us are that important so live with it.

The university is a government institution and should be transparent to the taxpayers by proactively communicating, especially when the football coach and the athletic direction are such high profile, highly compensated state employees.
And, if that is your opinion, I certainly respect it. But, my point is that it is not required. "Should" is one thing but "must" is another.

Actually, transparency is a "must" since the school is an entity of state government.

No one said this board should be consulted first.

Depending on your definition of transparency, yes and no. They didn't miss any 'rules' or 'laws'...so they 'must' not have needed to.
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Next time STF considers a football schedule-palooza, I hope he targets games to bring in good Saturday crowds. I applaud him trying with the Utahs and Nebraskas and BYUs, I liked those ideas when I saw 'em. But now I'd like to see us have one good OOC money game, and the rest be nice Saturday at home games against very local team. Bring in the Illinois regionals and the few thousands more fans they will bring, the SIUs, ISUs, etc.. Bring in the Northern Iowas. I want to try those types of teams now, Saturday home games when the weather is warmer, and focus on the crowds.

Am i off base? will we loose recruits doing that?
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(12-04-2018 10:30 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  Next time STF considers a football schedule-palooza, I hope he targets games to bring in good Saturday crowds. I applaud him trying with the Utahs and Nebraskas and BYUs, I liked those ideas when I saw 'em. But now I'd like to see us have one good OOC money game, and the rest be nice Saturday at home games against very local team. Bring in the Illinois regionals and the few thousands more fans they will bring, the SIUs, ISUs, etc.. Bring in the Northern Iowas. I want to try those types of teams now, Saturday home games when the weather is warmer, and focus on the crowds.

Am i off base? will we loose recruits doing that?

Illinois State is at Huskie Stadium next year.
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RE: Frazier extended to 2023
(12-04-2018 10:35 PM)Doggone Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 10:30 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  Next time STF considers a football schedule-palooza, I hope he targets games to bring in good Saturday crowds. I applaud him trying with the Utahs and Nebraskas and BYUs, I liked those ideas when I saw 'em. But now I'd like to see us have one good OOC money game, and the rest be nice Saturday at home games against very local team. Bring in the Illinois regionals and the few thousands more fans they will bring, the SIUs, ISUs, etc.. Bring in the Northern Iowas. I want to try those types of teams now, Saturday home games when the weather is warmer, and focus on the crowds.

Am i off base? will we loose recruits doing that?

Illinois State is at Huskie Stadium next year.

I like the idea of bringing in the ISU, SIU, Westerns, etc...I agree, but don't think it has to stop the others.

We had Utah here, who just played in the PAC-12 champ game...and we couldn't break what, 17k? It's just a bigger problem than the 'who' at this point.
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(12-04-2018 07:23 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  MD,

Your unbridled passion and resourcefulness for NIU athletics is appreciated and valued. You calling your shot at making the Orange Bowl in 2012 solidified yourself as an NIU legend forever in my books. You have a permanently open invitation for free drinks at any Huskie FB, BB, Detroit trips in the future to chew my ears off with 90s classics from Chick Evans.

Thought to add positive energy after one member requesting with dancing emoticons for another member of the NIU community to kill himself in this thread has gone unchecked.

I, too, appreciate MD's opinions and passion on this board.
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(12-04-2018 10:35 PM)Doggone Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 10:30 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  Next time STF considers a football schedule-palooza, I hope he targets games to bring in good Saturday crowds. I applaud him trying with the Utahs and Nebraskas and BYUs, I liked those ideas when I saw 'em. But now I'd like to see us have one good OOC money game, and the rest be nice Saturday at home games against very local team. Bring in the Illinois regionals and the few thousands more fans they will bring, the SIUs, ISUs, etc.. Bring in the Northern Iowas. I want to try those types of teams now, Saturday home games when the weather is warmer, and focus on the crowds.

Am i off base? will we loose recruits doing that?

Illinois State is at Huskie Stadium next year.

Hope Spack in gone. Anyone know if he's in line for a promotion?
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(12-04-2018 02:58 PM)HuskieBowWow Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 02:41 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  If he's extended, hope he feels extra pressure to close on some naming rights.

I think he's trying but nobody wants to pony up enough $ to make it worthwhile for NIU. Rather than sell rights for 10 years or more at bargain basement prices he's waiting for someone to meet his target price. It would be interesting to know what that target is.

Naming rights for Convo will be in the $500k range a year not in the Millions.
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(12-04-2018 09:52 PM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 04:58 PM)sportsfan Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 02:47 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 02:38 PM)sportsfan Wrote:  And, where does it actually say that a school must disclose any extensions promptly. My take is that it's none of anybody's business. If someone stumbles upon it or if there's an indication that something might have happened and files for the information so be it. But this thing about people having their shorts out of wack because they weren't told first is nonsense. Nothing says that the university has to clear it with anyone on this board or advise this board of any process.
None of us are that important so live with it.

The university is a government institution and should be transparent to the taxpayers by proactively communicating, especially when the football coach and the athletic direction are such high profile, highly compensated state employees.
And, if that is your opinion, I certainly respect it. But, my point is that it is not required. "Should" is one thing but "must" is another.

Actually, transparency is a "must" since the school is an entity of state government.

No one said this board should be consulted first.
Making the information available is one thing. Promoting it is another. In a state were funds are of high focus. Promoting Athletic spending is a negative. The university is not hiding that they are spending the money. They just choose not to publicly promote the expenses. If they had the 110 million to do the stadium, most of you would not be upset if they didn't promote the spending and just did it.
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I think coaches should get the credit when athletes go to class and get good grades.
I like the extension.
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(12-05-2018 09:29 AM)badmoonrising13 Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 10:35 PM)Doggone Wrote:  
(12-04-2018 10:30 PM)NIU84 Wrote:  Next time STF considers a football schedule-palooza, I hope he targets games to bring in good Saturday crowds. I applaud him trying with the Utahs and Nebraskas and BYUs, I liked those ideas when I saw 'em. But now I'd like to see us have one good OOC money game, and the rest be nice Saturday at home games against very local team. Bring in the Illinois regionals and the few thousands more fans they will bring, the SIUs, ISUs, etc.. Bring in the Northern Iowas. I want to try those types of teams now, Saturday home games when the weather is warmer, and focus on the crowds.

Am i off base? will we loose recruits doing that?

Illinois State is at Huskie Stadium next year.

Hope Spack in gone. Anyone know if he's in line for a promotion?

He's gone 6-6, 6-5, 6-5 the last 3 years at ISU and missed the playoffs the last 2 years. I don't think any bigger programs are going to hire him.
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