(12-03-2018 11:26 AM)AllForDukes Wrote:  1. head coaching experience is not necessary. The typical path to a head coach is from a coordinators position. Looke at Dabo Sweeney, Kirby Smart and many more. First and foremost you are hiring a man and a philosophy. JMU puts a lot of weight on character, as they should. I am not suggesting just any coordinator but lack of head coaching experience is defintely not a requirement.

2. Previous record. Houston was 14-11 at Citadel. Not really a stellar record. Many on here would have discounted his DII experience because it wasn't at our level.

3. JMU ties or recruiting ties to the mid-atlantic are not required either. Any good head coach would use his first year to transfer the relationship with our former staff to his staff. Character wins in recruiting.

Disagree here. And I will bet you JMU will hire someone who has mid atlantic and/or south recruiting ties.

(12-03-2018 10:08 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  We have a ton of coaching threads and most of them focus on the people themselves. However, there are a lot of things in this search that give me concerns. These are my top 3:

-No head coaching experience. This is a big one for me. If we are looking at a guy that has none, I am very concerned about his ability to be a head coach. A great coordinator doesn't mean a guy will be a great coach. We are at the top of the FCS and a program that has been referred to as one of the elite jobs. We shouldn't be a learning tool. We need a guy that knows how to be a head coach and a good one.

-Lack of success. This one goes without saying. This doesn't mean only W's and L's. What was he able to do with what he was responsible for in the past? If he was an offensive coordinator at one time, was his offense a success? While Withers had coaching experience and was a part of a national contender, his defense was suspect. While he was co-defensive coordinator at Ohio State he was in charge of the secondary, which was the weakest part of that defense.

-Over-emphasis on JMU ties. This one concerns me quite a lot. Nothing wrong with getting a guy with ties to JMU, but I get this bad feeling too much weight may be put on it. Will a guy with less experience get the nod over another more experienced coach purely due to the guys previous ties to JMU? I have a bad feeling its going to be a guy with a JMU connection but with no experience as a head coach. That terrifies me.

Agree? Disagree? I'd like to know your thoughts in addition to any other concerns.

Agree on all three - especially the JMU ties. We need to get the best guy. Leaning on the JMU thing got us Dillard.

Head coaching experience and a proven ability to assemble a successful staff is a must. No coordinators.

(12-04-2018 12:09 AM)91Alum Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 10:08 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  We have a ton of coaching threads and most of them focus on the people themselves. However, there are a lot of things in this search that give me concerns. These are my top 3:

-No head coaching experience. This is a big one for me. If we are looking at a guy that has none, I am very concerned about his ability to be a head coach. A great coordinator doesn't mean a guy will be a great coach. We are at the top of the FCS and a program that has been referred to as one of the elite jobs. We shouldn't be a learning tool. We need a guy that knows how to be a head coach and a good one.

-Lack of success. This one goes without saying. This doesn't mean only W's and L's. What was he able to do with what he was responsible for in the past? If he was an offensive coordinator at one time, was his offense a success? While Withers had coaching experience and was a part of a national contender, his defense was suspect. While he was co-defensive coordinator at Ohio State he was in charge of the secondary, which was the weakest part of that defense.

-Over-emphasis on JMU ties. This one concerns me quite a lot. Nothing wrong with getting a guy with ties to JMU, but I get this bad feeling too much weight may be put on it. Will a guy with less experience get the nod over another more experienced coach purely due to the guys previous ties to JMU? I have a bad feeling its going to be a guy with a JMU connection but with no experience as a head coach. That terrifies me.

Agree? Disagree? I'd like to know your thoughts in addition to any other concerns.

Agree on all three - especially the JMU ties. We need to get the best guy. Leaning on the JMU thing got us Dillard.

Head coaching experience and a proven ability to assemble a successful staff is a must. No coordinators.

Yeah hiring a coordinator is dumb. Look at Georgia..

(12-04-2018 12:58 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 12:09 AM)91Alum Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 10:08 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  We have a ton of coaching threads and most of them focus on the people themselves. However, there are a lot of things in this search that give me concerns. These are my top 3:

-No head coaching experience. This is a big one for me. If we are looking at a guy that has none, I am very concerned about his ability to be a head coach. A great coordinator doesn't mean a guy will be a great coach. We are at the top of the FCS and a program that has been referred to as one of the elite jobs. We shouldn't be a learning tool. We need a guy that knows how to be a head coach and a good one.

-Lack of success. This one goes without saying. This doesn't mean only W's and L's. What was he able to do with what he was responsible for in the past? If he was an offensive coordinator at one time, was his offense a success? While Withers had coaching experience and was a part of a national contender, his defense was suspect. While he was co-defensive coordinator at Ohio State he was in charge of the secondary, which was the weakest part of that defense.

-Over-emphasis on JMU ties. This one concerns me quite a lot. Nothing wrong with getting a guy with ties to JMU, but I get this bad feeling too much weight may be put on it. Will a guy with less experience get the nod over another more experienced coach purely due to the guys previous ties to JMU? I have a bad feeling its going to be a guy with a JMU connection but with no experience as a head coach. That terrifies me.

Agree? Disagree? I'd like to know your thoughts in addition to any other concerns.

Agree on all three - especially the JMU ties. We need to get the best guy. Leaning on the JMU thing got us Dillard.

Head coaching experience and a proven ability to assemble a successful staff is a must. No coordinators.

Yeah hiring a coordinator is dumb. Look at Georgia..

From Bourne's press conference yesterday it seems he wants to go with someone with head coaching experience. Ties to JMU also didnt seem to be an important requirement since he brought up Houston didnt have any