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Class 6A football state championship game 12/8 4:30 pm
Manchester High School (Midlothian,VA) 14-0 vs. Freedom High School (Woodbridge,VA) 13-1


I only brought it up because one I'm an alumni of Manchester high school. :) Second, Manchester just beat Ocean Lakes today 43-3 at the Virginia Beach sports complex. This is after Ocean Lakes had just "upset" Oscar Smith last week. Thirdly we have a commit from Manchester, Alston Robinson 6'2 182. Looks like he's played SS and WR. He's graduating in the spring so he'll be on the team next year i'd figure.

Anyone else follow High School football?
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RE: Class 6A football state championship game 12/8 4:30 pm
I graduated from Highland Springs in 1984. We are in the state final game next week, as well, after rolling past Maury. Looking for our third straight 5A championship.
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RE: Class 6A football state championship game 12/8 4:30 pm
(12-01-2018 06:17 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  I graduated from Highland Springs in 1984. We are in the state final game next week, as well, after rolling past Maury. Looking for our third straight 5A championship.

This is great to see, although my kids all went through Clover Hill (one still there), it is close enough.
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(12-01-2018 06:17 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  I graduated from Highland Springs in 1984. We are in the state final game next week, as well, after rolling past Maury. Looking for our third straight 5A championship.

Yeah I saw that. Central Virginia schools looking good this year. I wish ODU could've picked up the QB from Manchester but he's going to Notre Dame.
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I went to Bird so I know all these schools well. One year to shine Manchester lol
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Class 6A football state championship game 12/8 4:30 pm
Lake Taylor in 4A final for 4th time in 7 years

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I went to James River so we don’t know much about these championship football games
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(12-01-2018 09:15 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  I went to Bird so I know all these schools well. One year to shine Manchester lol

Both my boys went to OB Gate ES. As you know, Bird is 200 yards away, yet we are zoned Matoaca. Odd, to say the least.
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(12-01-2018 09:15 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  I went to Bird so I know all these schools well. One year to shine Manchester lol
When I was in school Bird was the real deal, along with Dale. Yeah we finally got over the hump that was beating colonial forge. Lost to them the last two years in the playoffs. I might go down to Hampton for the game next week.

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In a past life I covered some Bird-Dale games that I swear could have had 20,000 people there if the stadiums were good to hold them. Richmond has good rivalries and I've had the fortune of being there for most all of them (Bird-Dale, Petersburg-Hopewell, Varina-Highland Springs, Patrick Henry-Lee-Davis. They know how to grow rivalries up there.
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RE: Class 6A football state championship game 12/8 4:30 pm
I went to Granby. We won in 1966 when I was 11. 03-lmfao

I do remember 1971 though.
We went to the TC Williams/Wilson playoff game with a Granby coach and some of the players. Wilson was by far the big gun in the Eastern Region that year.
I remember Coach Ballard turning to us and saying "be glad you didn't play TC Williams. As good as "Ton" Davis, Baby Howell and Wilson are, it's boys playing men."

Although 'Remember The Titans" took a lot of "literary license", that TC Williams team was just awesome.

OK, old guy rant over.
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Go Lake Taylor Titans!
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RE: Class 6A football state championship game 12/8 4:30 pm
(12-01-2018 11:51 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I went to Granby. We won in 1966 when I was 11. 03-lmfao

I do remember 1971 though.
We went to the TC Williams/Wilson playoff game with a Granby coach and some of the players. Wilson was by far the big gun in the Eastern Region that year.
I remember Coach Ballard turning to us and saying "be glad you didn't play TC Williams. As good as "Ton" Davis, Baby Howell and Wilson are, it's boys playing men."

Although 'Remember The Titans" took a lot of "literary license", that TC Williams team was just awesome.

OK, old guy rant over.
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NO, if your coach said that he was wrong. It was men playing a LOT more men. They merged all the HS Juniors and Seniors in Alexandria (pop. 110,000 1970) into TC Williams that year. As good as the '71 Wilson team was imagine if that team had also had all the players from Norcom, Cradock and Churchland to help fill in the team. Well into the 3rd quarter the score was 20 - 14. Then TCW scored twice more (2 pt PATs both times) to win 36 - 14. The Wilson team where most of the top stars went both ways simply wore down and eventually wore out facing a team that two platooned and still had reserves at every position. TC Williams had 72 players that year all Jrs or Srs., all of whom had played/started at their different HS the previous season. As for the "men" on the Wilson team Steve Philbrick became the 1st ever frosh starter at VT (as a Frosh when VT played AL Bear Bryant said he was the one player on the Tech team he wished played for Alabama) Mike Fagan was ACC lineman of the year, "Baby" Powell started at Maryland and "Ton" played at Missouri. TC Williams was great because they had the experienced players back from multiple HS, they had the biggest school ever in VA and then lucked into getting (moved from California) the star QB that was the one missing piece to their puzzle. Older guy rant who was also there. 03-old
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RE: Class 6A football state championship game 12/8 4:30 pm
(12-02-2018 12:16 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 11:51 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I went to Granby. We won in 1966 when I was 11. 03-lmfao

I do remember 1971 though.
We went to the TC Williams/Wilson playoff game with a Granby coach and some of the players. Wilson was by far the big gun in the Eastern Region that year.
I remember Coach Ballard turning to us and saying "be glad you didn't play TC Williams. As good as "Ton" Davis, Baby Howell and Wilson are, it's boys playing men."

Although 'Remember The Titans" took a lot of "literary license", that TC Williams team was just awesome.

OK, old guy rant over.
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NO, if your coach said that he was wrong. It was men playing a LOT more men. They merged all the HS Juniors and Seniors in Alexandria (pop. 110,000 1970) into TC Williams that year. As good as the '71 Wilson team was imagine if that team had also had all the players from Norcom, Cradock and Churchland to help fill in the team. Well into the 3rd quarter the score was 20 - 14. Then TCW scored twice more (2 pt PATs both times) to win 36 - 14. The Wilson team where most of the top stars went both ways simply wore down and eventually wore out facing a team that two platooned and still had reserves at every position. TC Williams had 72 players that year all Jrs or Srs., all of whom had played/started at their different HS the previous season. As for the "men" on the Wilson team Steve Philbrick became the 1st ever frosh starter at VT (as a Frosh when VT played AL Bear Bryant said he was the one player on the Tech team he wished played for Alabama) Mike Fagan was ACC lineman of the year, "Baby" Powell started at Maryland and "Ton" played at Missouri. TC Williams was great because they had the experienced players back from multiple HS, they had the biggest school ever in VA and then lucked into getting (moved from California) the star QB that was the one missing piece to their puzzle. Older guy rant who was also there. 03-old

I don't disagree with anything you said.
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Its interesting hearing about this stuff from people that lived during that time. I only know of it from the movie lol

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(12-02-2018 12:21 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
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(12-01-2018 11:51 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I went to Granby. We won in 1966 when I was 11. 03-lmfao

I do remember 1971 though.
We went to the TC Williams/Wilson playoff game with a Granby coach and some of the players. Wilson was by far the big gun in the Eastern Region that year.
I remember Coach Ballard turning to us and saying "be glad you didn't play TC Williams. As good as "Ton" Davis, Baby Howell and Wilson are, it's boys playing men."

Although 'Remember The Titans" took a lot of "literary license", that TC Williams team was just awesome.

OK, old guy rant over.
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NO, if your coach said that he was wrong. It was men playing a LOT more men. They merged all the HS Juniors and Seniors in Alexandria (pop. 110,000 1970) into TC Williams that year. As good as the '71 Wilson team was imagine if that team had also had all the players from Norcom, Cradock and Churchland to help fill in the team. Well into the 3rd quarter the score was 20 - 14. Then TCW scored twice more (2 pt PATs both times) to win 36 - 14. The Wilson team where most of the top stars went both ways simply wore down and eventually wore out facing a team that two platooned and still had reserves at every position. TC Williams had 72 players that year all Jrs or Srs., all of whom had played/started at their different HS the previous season. As for the "men" on the Wilson team Steve Philbrick became the 1st ever frosh starter at VT (as a Frosh when VT played AL Bear Bryant said he was the one player on the Tech team he wished played for Alabama) Mike Fagan was ACC lineman of the year, "Baby" Powell started at Maryland and "Ton" played at Missouri. TC Williams was great because they had the experienced players back from multiple HS, they had the biggest school ever in VA and then lucked into getting (moved from California) the star QB that was the one missing piece to their puzzle. Older guy rant who was also there. 03-old

I don't disagree with anything you said.
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Great to hear old fellas talk about the old football days! Reminds me of hearing my father, uncles, and extended cousins talking about past high school football games around the holidays. They all had strong opinions about that 1971 T.C. Williams team too. Calling it a super team. Just recently I attended a celebration of life for Coach John Cooke and the old timers were still talking about that Wilson vs T.C. game. I wasn't alive to witness the game but some there claiming if Wilson didn't fumble I think they said 4 times during the game Wilson would have won. Then again I stop believing anything I hear from old coaches and football players after their 70th birthday as being what really happened in real life due to most having memory disorders. If I believed them Great Bridge would have been a powerhouse from the mid 50s to mid 80s and Coach O'Brien invented the forward pass.
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(12-02-2018 06:23 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(12-02-2018 12:21 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2018 12:16 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 11:51 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  I went to Granby. We won in 1966 when I was 11. 03-lmfao

I do remember 1971 though.
We went to the TC Williams/Wilson playoff game with a Granby coach and some of the players. Wilson was by far the big gun in the Eastern Region that year.
I remember Coach Ballard turning to us and saying "be glad you didn't play TC Williams. As good as "Ton" Davis, Baby Howell and Wilson are, it's boys playing men."

Although 'Remember The Titans" took a lot of "literary license", that TC Williams team was just awesome.

OK, old guy rant over.
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NO, if your coach said that he was wrong. It was men playing a LOT more men. They merged all the HS Juniors and Seniors in Alexandria (pop. 110,000 1970) into TC Williams that year. As good as the '71 Wilson team was imagine if that team had also had all the players from Norcom, Cradock and Churchland to help fill in the team. Well into the 3rd quarter the score was 20 - 14. Then TCW scored twice more (2 pt PATs both times) to win 36 - 14. The Wilson team where most of the top stars went both ways simply wore down and eventually wore out facing a team that two platooned and still had reserves at every position. TC Williams had 72 players that year all Jrs or Srs., all of whom had played/started at their different HS the previous season. As for the "men" on the Wilson team Steve Philbrick became the 1st ever frosh starter at VT (as a Frosh when VT played AL Bear Bryant said he was the one player on the Tech team he wished played for Alabama) Mike Fagan was ACC lineman of the year, "Baby" Powell started at Maryland and "Ton" played at Missouri. TC Williams was great because they had the experienced players back from multiple HS, they had the biggest school ever in VA and then lucked into getting (moved from California) the star QB that was the one missing piece to their puzzle. Older guy rant who was also there. 03-old

I don't disagree with anything you said.
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Great to hear old fellas talk about the old football days! Reminds me of hearing my father, uncles, and extended cousins talking about past high school football games around the holidays. They all had strong opinions about that 1971 T.C. Williams team too. Calling it a super team. Just recently I attended a celebration of life for Coach John Cooke and the old timers were still talking about that Wilson vs T.C. game. I wasn't alive to witness the game but some there claiming if Wilson didn't fumble I think they said 4 times during the game Wilson would have won. Then again I stop believing anything I hear from old coaches and football players after their 70th birthday as being what really happened in real life due to most having memory disorders. If I believed them Great Bridge would have been a powerhouse from the mid 50s to mid 80s and Coach O'Brien invented the forward pass.

Ask them (GB folks) about Lora Hinton (spelling?) and the 1969 Wilson vs GB game. 16,500 at the game and GB pulled the upset (dang, dang, dang). It was one heck of the game and if you were not in the stands 2 hours before the kickoff you did not get into the stadium. Wilson took the other 3 games during my 4 years ('68, '69. '70, '71) but that the Wilson vs GB game was always a biggie.
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(12-02-2018 05:28 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Its interesting hearing about this stuff from people that lived during that time. I only know of it from the movie lol

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Every school/team TC Williams played that year, '71, was already integrated. Wilson had been integrated for years and the team was pretty much 50 - 50 with one black and one white co-captain. Wilson folks have always assumed we were represented in the movie by the team that had 2 HS All-American tackles, because we did that year, but they forgot to mention one was black and that of the 4 big stars on our team 3 were black. It is a great movie and portrays significant issues of those times but much of it is fiction and many of the events in the movie come from other incidents and in some cases other decades or are bent a bit. TCW was loaded and favored in every game they played that season. In the State Final (against Andrew Lewis?) they held their opponent to negative yardage for the game.
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(12-02-2018 05:28 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Its interesting hearing about this stuff from people that lived during that time. I only know of it from the movie lol

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Every school/team TC Williams played that year, '71, was already integrated. Wilson had been integrated for years and the team was pretty much 50 - 50 with one black and one white co-captain. Wilson folks have always assumed we were represented in the movie by the team that had 2 HS All-American tackles, because we did that year, but they forgot to mention one was black and that of the 4 big stars on our team 3 were black. It is a great movie and portrays significant issues of those times but much of it is fiction and many of the events in the movie come from other incidents and in some cases other decades or are bent a bit. TCW was loaded and favored in every game they played that season. In the State Final (against Andrew Lewis?) they held their opponent to negative yardage for the game.

I always wondered about the emphasis of race portrayed in the movie.
Granby was probably close to 50-50 and by 1971 racial tensions were minimal.

I suspect the race angle was substantially exaggerated for dramatic effect.
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(12-02-2018 07:24 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2018 07:11 PM)ETSUDB8-79 Wrote:  
(12-02-2018 05:28 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Its interesting hearing about this stuff from people that lived during that time. I only know of it from the movie lol

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Every school/team TC Williams played that year, '71, was already integrated. Wilson had been integrated for years and the team was pretty much 50 - 50 with one black and one white co-captain. Wilson folks have always assumed we were represented in the movie by the team that had 2 HS All-American tackles, because we did that year, but they forgot to mention one was black and that of the 4 big stars on our team 3 were black. It is a great movie and portrays significant issues of those times but much of it is fiction and many of the events in the movie come from other incidents and in some cases other decades or are bent a bit. TCW was loaded and favored in every game they played that season. In the State Final (against Andrew Lewis?) they held their opponent to negative yardage for the game.

I always wondered about the emphasis of race portrayed in the movie.
Granby was probably close to 50-50 and by 1971 racial tensions were minimal.

I suspect the race angle was substantially exaggerated for dramatic effect.

Yup, the same at Wilson. I guess with the merging of all the HSs in Alexandria and the fact they still had their version of BTW/IC Norcom that ramped it up, plus they also brought in the first black coach in that area. Still it seemed overkill to play it as if they were the first and only school to do it rather than pretty much the very last.
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