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Up 9 at half. By the way, congratulations to Kenston and Kirtland on earning an OHSAA State Championship!
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A KSU KO! A little bird told me Whittington can play. 7-1 ain’t bad.
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This is a fun team to watch. It's too bad the attendance isn't reflecting that, but that's what we've come to expect. The sequence late in the game where Williamson stole it and fed Williams for a break away dunk, then Williams stole it on the next possession and returned the favor was pretty great. Those type of plays will get the house jumping when people show up.

I noticed they had someone else doing the PA annoucning today. Is it too much to ask that the PA announcer be familiar with the home team? His name is Duling (duel-ing) not Durling. Can't say I've ever heard a home players name missprounoced all game.
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Thrilled with a 7-1 record. Especially with so many new players. Schedule will start to ramp up in degree of difficulty.

But I would love to meet the genius who thought it would be a good idea to eliminate the student section in favor of empty tables and chairs. It might literally be the dumbest thing I have ever seen. And those students who were chased into the upper deck for the home opener - guess what? They haven’t been back. I wouldn’t either if I were them.
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My six year old was asked to join that committee. He declined when he learned that Tigger was the acting president.
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Fun game to watch, the two new transfers - Williams and Williamson - were great finds and really make a difference. And freshman Anthony Roberts looks like he'll develop into something good.

It did seem like we played down to Norfolk's level, though, getting sloppy at times. We made more dumb fouls than we needed to - Frederick fouled out in 8 minutes on the court. We also took a lot of bad shots under the basket - Jaylin Walker was 4 for 7 from outside the arch, but 1-5 for 2-pointers?

And the new guy - 'Durling'?
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I noticed that Kain Harris didn't make the box score. Has Senderoff trimmed his rotation down to 9?
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(12-01-2018 11:42 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  Thrilled with a 7-1 record. Especially with so many new players. Schedule will start to ramp up in degree of difficulty.

But I would love to meet the genius who thought it would be a good idea to eliminate the student section in favor of empty tables and chairs. It might literally be the dumbest thing I have ever seen. And those students who were chased into the upper deck for the home opener - guess what? They haven’t been back. I wouldn’t either if I were them.

Completely agree.
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(12-01-2018 07:05 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  This is a fun team to watch. It's too bad the attendance isn't reflecting that, but that's what we've come to expect. The sequence late in the game where Williamson stole it and fed Williams for a break away dunk, then Williams stole it on the next possession and returned the favor was pretty great. Those type of plays will get the house jumping when people show up.

I noticed they had someone else doing the PA annoucning today. Is it too much to ask that the PA announcer be familiar with the home team? His name is Duling (duel-ing) not Durling. Can't say I've ever heard a home players name missprounoced all game.

Kurtz was doing the HS Football championships in Canton. as far as the attendance, 4pm start not good.
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(12-02-2018 09:47 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  I noticed that Kain Harris didn't make the box score. Has Senderoff trimmed his rotation down to 9?


once Jaylin Walker came back, someones minutes had to be cut. It looks like Harris and Gholston are the ones that will see less minutes.
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(12-02-2018 04:28 PM)luckyflash Wrote:  
(12-02-2018 09:47 AM)Muskrat Wrote:  I noticed that Kain Harris didn't make the box score. Has Senderoff trimmed his rotation down to 9?


once Jaylin Walker came back, someones minutes had to be cut. It looks like Harris and Gholston are the ones that will see less minutes.

Wonder if Gholston can still redshirt ... ???
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(12-02-2018 04:27 PM)luckyflash Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:05 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  This is a fun team to watch. It's too bad the attendance isn't reflecting that, but that's what we've come to expect. The sequence late in the game where Williamson stole it and fed Williams for a break away dunk, then Williams stole it on the next possession and returned the favor was pretty great. Those type of plays will get the house jumping when people show up.

I noticed they had someone else doing the PA annoucning today. Is it too much to ask that the PA announcer be familiar with the home team? His name is Duling (duel-ing) not Durling. Can't say I've ever heard a home players name missprounoced all game.

Kurtz was doing the HS Football championships in Canton. as far as the attendance, 4pm start not good.

Yes who came up with a 4PM start? There is another one next Saturday also. The New Years Eve game against Oberlin should bring in another huge crowd. For whatever the reason (I think we know why) the students don’t seem to be into the games this year. Even the ones sitting on the side with the band don’t seem to be into the game. Hope it gets better in January.
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(12-02-2018 09:00 PM)burden Wrote:  
(12-02-2018 04:27 PM)luckyflash Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:05 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  This is a fun team to watch. It's too bad the attendance isn't reflecting that, but that's what we've come to expect. The sequence late in the game where Williamson stole it and fed Williams for a break away dunk, then Williams stole it on the next possession and returned the favor was pretty great. Those type of plays will get the house jumping when people show up.

I noticed they had someone else doing the PA annoucning today. Is it too much to ask that the PA announcer be familiar with the home team? His name is Duling (duel-ing) not Durling. Can't say I've ever heard a home players name missprounoced all game.

Kurtz was doing the HS Football championships in Canton. as far as the attendance, 4pm start not good.

Yes who came up with a 4PM start? There is another one next Saturday also. The New Years Eve game against Oberlin should bring in another huge crowd. For whatever the reason (I think we know why) the students don’t seem to be into the games this year. Even the ones sitting on the side with the band don’t seem to be into the game. Hope it gets better in January.

I thought the 4 o'clock start time was smart considering it championship game Saturday for college football. The Big 10 Championship game was scheduled for 8. I think the attendance would've been worse if they were trying to compete with that.
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(12-02-2018 10:54 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  
(12-02-2018 09:00 PM)burden Wrote:  
(12-02-2018 04:27 PM)luckyflash Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:05 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  This is a fun team to watch. It's too bad the attendance isn't reflecting that, but that's what we've come to expect. The sequence late in the game where Williamson stole it and fed Williams for a break away dunk, then Williams stole it on the next possession and returned the favor was pretty great. Those type of plays will get the house jumping when people show up.

I noticed they had someone else doing the PA annoucning today. Is it too much to ask that the PA announcer be familiar with the home team? His name is Duling (duel-ing) not Durling. Can't say I've ever heard a home players name missprounoced all game.

Kurtz was doing the HS Football championships in Canton. as far as the attendance, 4pm start not good.

Yes who came up with a 4PM start? There is another one next Saturday also. The New Years Eve game against Oberlin should bring in another huge crowd. For whatever the reason (I think we know why) the students don’t seem to be into the games this year. Even the ones sitting on the side with the band don’t seem to be into the game. Hope it gets better in January.

I thought the 4 o'clock start time was smart considering it championship game Saturday for college football. The Big 10 Championship game was scheduled for 8. I think the attendance would've been worse if they were trying to compete with that.

Yes but it was up against Alabama vs. Georgia a much better game. Also what’s the reasoning for the December 8th game?
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(12-02-2018 10:54 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  
(12-02-2018 09:00 PM)burden Wrote:  
(12-02-2018 04:27 PM)luckyflash Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 07:05 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  This is a fun team to watch. It's too bad the attendance isn't reflecting that, but that's what we've come to expect. The sequence late in the game where Williamson stole it and fed Williams for a break away dunk, then Williams stole it on the next possession and returned the favor was pretty great. Those type of plays will get the house jumping when people show up.

I noticed they had someone else doing the PA annoucning today. Is it too much to ask that the PA announcer be familiar with the home team? His name is Duling (duel-ing) not Durling. Can't say I've ever heard a home players name missprounoced all game.





Kurtz was doing the HS Football championships in Canton. as far as the attendance, 4pm start not good.

Yes who came up with a 4PM start? There is another one next Saturday also. The New Years Eve game against Oberlin should bring in another huge crowd. For whatever the reason (I think we know why) the students don’t seem to be into the games this year. Even the ones sitting on the side with the band don’t seem to be into the game. Hope it gets better in January.

I thought the 4 o'clock start time was smart considering it championship game Saturday for college football. The Big 10 Championship game was scheduled for 8. I think the attendance would've been worse if they were trying to compete with that.

This may sound like DUH.... but I would never base a basketball decision on football. And those who do reap what they sow, particularly in this day and age when folks can carry the score (and TV) around in their pockets.
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Thanks for finishing my thought. Your start time should be convienent for your fans. If you would rather watch Ohio St./Northwestern and/or Alabama/Georgia your probably never going anyway. Heck if the game is at 7pm you probably only miss the 1st quarter and with the length of games today that’s a blessing.
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Interesting... I thought it was an obvious statement that competing against the Big10 championship game (with Ohio State in it) would be a bad idea for a Kent State basketball game... but I guess not. I realize most people here harbor no love for OSU football, and most people here would go to a KSU basketball game over an OSU football game. But that's not the reality of the region or the student body. How many students do you think would've gone to that game if it was at 7? They're never going to get a good crowd from the diehard fans, they need to try to attract casual fans. Also, while I agree, the Bama Georgia game was more interesting... it doesn't matter what I think, it matters what the majority of people in the target audience think.

It's not a matter of planning basketball around football. It's a matter of planning basketball around the majority's free time. If they set the start time of a game to accommodate the Superbowl would anyone disagree? The majority of people aren't working at 4 on Saturdays, and the majority of of area sports fans are watching the Big 10 championship game at 8. If that's inconvenient for you, sure that sucks, but the reality is you're in the minority. My wife works Saturdays so she couldn't go to that game, so yeah I'd prefer it was at 7. But I recognize that we were in the minority.

It's also possible that they weren't considering the Big 10 game when they set this time. Burden, brought up the Dec 8th game. It could be just as simple as they're trying something new to see if it would work. Maybe the theory is students are less likely to go to a game on Saturday night because they start drinking before 9 (when a 7 o'clock game would end). Or maybe they're just testing the waters to see if avoiding primetime will help. I'm all for trying something. As for the new years eve game, I think the date is more questionable than the time for that one. No idea what went into picking the date and if that could have been avoided, but if the game has to be on that day, then scheduling it in the afternoon makes way more sense than scheduling it at night because no one would go to a new years eve night game.

The sad part about the attendance, is this team is really fun to watch. Hopefully people realize that at some point.
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(12-03-2018 07:21 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Interesting... I thought it was an obvious statement that competing against the Big10 championship game (with Ohio State in it) would be a bad idea for a Kent State basketball game... but I guess not. I realize most people here harbor no love for OSU football, and most people here would go to a KSU basketball game over an OSU football game. But that's not the reality of the region or the student body. How many students do you think would've gone to that game if it was at 7? They're never going to get a good crowd from the diehard fans, they need to try to attract casual fans. Also, while I agree, the Bama Georgia game was more interesting... it doesn't matter what I think, it matters what the majority of people in the target audience think.

It's not a matter of planning basketball around football. It's a matter of planning basketball around the majority's free time. If they set the start time of a game to accommodate the Superbowl would anyone disagree? The majority of people aren't working at 4 on Saturdays, and the majority of of area sports fans are watching the Big 10 championship game at 8. If that's inconvenient for you, sure that sucks, but the reality is you're in the minority. My wife works Saturdays so she couldn't go to that game, so yeah I'd prefer it was at 7. But I recognize that we were in the minority.

It's also possible that they weren't considering the Big 10 game when they set this time. Burden, brought up the Dec 8th game. It could be just as simple as they're trying something new to see if it would work. Maybe the theory is students are less likely to go to a game on Saturday night because they start drinking before 9 (when a 7 o'clock game would end). Or maybe they're just testing the waters to see if avoiding primetime will help. I'm all for trying something. As for the new years eve game, I think the date is more questionable than the time for that one. No idea what went into picking the date and if that could have been avoided, but if the game has to be on that day, then scheduling it in the afternoon makes way more sense than scheduling it at night because no one would go to a new years eve night game.

The sad part about the attendance, is this team is really fun to watch. Hopefully people realize that at some point.

I'm probably old fashioned, but ... If basketball is your No. 1 sport (????) and has been for over a decade I would think a lot of these questions would be answered ... OR ... the decision would be made; Saturday games start at .... and weekday games start at ... unless TV dictates otherwise.

Then market and promote accordingly.

Kent has one of the better student followings in the MAC. Why in the world would you want to take those seats away from them???

Even if donors/boosters flocked to that endzone, few would do it during the game. Always trying something is just another busy way of doing nothing.

Set a formula and stick with it for more than a year or two ...

Finally ... picking and choosing from year-to-year what team suits your fancy does not help matters, either. You see it all around the league. If teams don't look/play the way fans want, even if they win, folks are not satisfied and denigrate their programs.

end of rant.
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(12-03-2018 07:21 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Interesting... I thought it was an obvious statement that competing against the Big10 championship game (with Ohio State in it) would be a bad idea for a Kent State basketball game... but I guess not. I realize most people here harbor no love for OSU football, and most people here would go to a KSU basketball game over an OSU football game. But that's not the reality of the region or the student body. How many students do you think would've gone to that game if it was at 7? They're never going to get a good crowd from the diehard fans, they need to try to attract casual fans. Also, while I agree, the Bama Georgia game was more interesting... it doesn't matter what I think, it matters what the majority of people in the target audience think.

It's not a matter of planning basketball around football. It's a matter of planning basketball around the majority's free time. If they set the start time of a game to accommodate the Superbowl would anyone disagree? The majority of people aren't working at 4 on Saturdays, and the majority of of area sports fans are watching the Big 10 championship game at 8. If that's inconvenient for you, sure that sucks, but the reality is you're in the minority. My wife works Saturdays so she couldn't go to that game, so yeah I'd prefer it was at 7. But I recognize that we were in the minority.

It's also possible that they weren't considering the Big 10 game when they set this time. Burden, brought up the Dec 8th game. It could be just as simple as they're trying something new to see if it would work. Maybe the theory is students are less likely to go to a game on Saturday night because they start drinking before 9 (when a 7 o'clock game would end). Or maybe they're just testing the waters to see if avoiding primetime will help. I'm all for trying something. As for the new years eve game, I think the date is more questionable than the time for that one. No idea what went into picking the date and if that could have been avoided, but if the game has to be on that day, then scheduling it in the afternoon makes way more sense than scheduling it at night because no one would go to a new years eve night game.

The sad part about the attendance, is this team is really fun to watch. Hopefully people realize that at some point.

They had aNew Years Eve game in 2002 against an excellent St. Bonaventure team and drew a great crowd. More than normal. Oberlin just doesn’t cut it. That’s a November 10th type of game.
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(12-03-2018 09:07 PM)burden Wrote:  
(12-03-2018 07:21 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Interesting... I thought it was an obvious statement that competing against the Big10 championship game (with Ohio State in it) would be a bad idea for a Kent State basketball game... but I guess not. I realize most people here harbor no love for OSU football, and most people here would go to a KSU basketball game over an OSU football game. But that's not the reality of the region or the student body. How many students do you think would've gone to that game if it was at 7? They're never going to get a good crowd from the diehard fans, they need to try to attract casual fans. Also, while I agree, the Bama Georgia game was more interesting... it doesn't matter what I think, it matters what the majority of people in the target audience think.

It's not a matter of planning basketball around football. It's a matter of planning basketball around the majority's free time. If they set the start time of a game to accommodate the Superbowl would anyone disagree? The majority of people aren't working at 4 on Saturdays, and the majority of of area sports fans are watching the Big 10 championship game at 8. If that's inconvenient for you, sure that sucks, but the reality is you're in the minority. My wife works Saturdays so she couldn't go to that game, so yeah I'd prefer it was at 7. But I recognize that we were in the minority.

It's also possible that they weren't considering the Big 10 game when they set this time. Burden, brought up the Dec 8th game. It could be just as simple as they're trying something new to see if it would work. Maybe the theory is students are less likely to go to a game on Saturday night because they start drinking before 9 (when a 7 o'clock game would end). Or maybe they're just testing the waters to see if avoiding primetime will help. I'm all for trying something. As for the new years eve game, I think the date is more questionable than the time for that one. No idea what went into picking the date and if that could have been avoided, but if the game has to be on that day, then scheduling it in the afternoon makes way more sense than scheduling it at night because no one would go to a new years eve night game.

The sad part about the attendance, is this team is really fun to watch. Hopefully people realize that at some point.

They had aNew Years Eve game in 2002 against an excellent St. Bonaventure team and drew a great crowd. More than normal. Oberlin just doesn’t cut it. That’s a November 10th type of game.

GREAT POINT ... and if I'm not mistaken that's when the team was still struggling to find itself ... perhaps even under-achieving at that point.
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