No, clowns, this is not a design of the ACA. Try again!

Quote:The Trump administration and conservative lawmakers’ attempts to sabotage the health care law are likely the primary driver, Alker said. Votes in Congress to repeal the ACA last year, though ultimately unsuccessful, brewed confusion over whether the law still exists and coverage is still available. (It does, and it is.) When Congress allowed funding for the bipartisan Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to lapse for a shocking four months last winter, parents in some states were told that their kids’ coverage could soon end.

Meanwhile, the Trump administration has shortened the insurance sign-up period, which runs until December 15 in Texas, and slashed funding for outreach and enrollment assistance. And Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is leading a lawsuit against the ACA that could kick millions of people off their health insurance, putting coverage for kids with pre-existing conditions at risk.

Texas’ Uninsured Rate for Kids, Highest in the Country, Increased for the First Time in Years

(11-30-2018 11:42 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So they made a factual statement, so you don't trust them or what they report?

Nope. I certainly understand that Trump was in office in 2017. It simply didn't need to be stated.

But it was stated because the MSM is biased towards this President. There is difference in media coverage based on who the intended victim is..... and it's really not debatable.

Liberals message through MSM every minute. They undermine language, they disconnect words from original meaning, avoid clarity, obfuscate, deceive, and weaponize words to limit and control public discourse and promote distrust in the President of the United States of America.

Journalism in America is broken and I see no rational solutions being suggested by anybody to rehabilitate the MSM into a truly facts based profession.

(11-30-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Trumps had two years to come up with his great plan. Odds we'll see it anytime soon?

You've seen it. Trump wants single payer which is a 'no go' with the right for policy reasons (country over team), and although the left wants that too, they won't support it because they won't support Trump even when they agree with him. Team over country.

As for 276,000 uninsured.... anyone that knows ANYTHING about the subject would know that this wouldn't be poor children because poor children are covered under state plans and there have been no changes there. I don't recall (but I could have missed) a state that had expanded medicaid revoking it... and without that, it wouldn't be people on significant subsidies.

So that means that these are overwhelmingly HEALTHY middle class to wealthy people who have decided that they don't want to pay $5,000 per year and have $5,000 deductibles in order to get $400 in immunizations and well checks 'covered' and would instead pay out of pocket. How many years can you go saving $9,600 per year before it really doesn't matter much anymore?

But what do I know... this is just my business; providing healthcare and 'alternative' primary care for the insured AND uninsured with means IN the HOME of the ACA.... while you've got a computer.

(11-30-2018 11:03 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  And in some cases, Kohler said, there are parents who have asked to remove their children from any kind of government program out of fear that their family could become a target for deportation.

Let me re-write that sentence for the author so that it is clear enough for Tom to understand;

ILLEGALS ARE REMOVING THEIR ANCHOR BABIES FROM INSURANCE BECAUSE THEY FEAR IT WILL ALLOW THE FEDS TO LOCATE THEM AND DEPORT THEM FROM THE US.

Oh, so this is a win all the way around! Cool!

Frankly, I'm getting tired of these socialists trying to destroy our health care system.

We've seen implementation failures in a couple of states that resulted in serious cost overruns and cancellation of the programs.

For example, Hawaii implemented free healthcare for children in 2008 only to watch it collapse in 7 months.

Hawaii halting universal care plan for children
October 17, 2008

Quote:Hawaii is dropping its universal healthcare plan for children on Nov. 1, just seven months after launching the first-in-the-nation pilot program. The Keiki Care Plan aimed to provide coverage to children whose families made too much money to qualify for Medicaid but could not afford private insurance. The state says it failed to enroll these “gap group” children and instead is subsidizing coverage for kids who qualify for other programs or whose parents halted their private insurance to join.

Imagine that... people who had been paying for their own children to be covered under employer and other plans decided they didn't want to pay twice for health care: 1. premiums to cover their own children, 2. taxes to cover somebody else's children.

They did the fiscally responsible thing for their own family; namely, dropping their children from their employer plan reducing their premium amount and signing up for "free" child health care.

(11-30-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 10:46 AM)monarchfan4life Wrote:  Good Lord! It's because we are stuck with Obamacare and people cannot afford "affordable health care." But, yeah, it's Trump's fault!

Trumps had two years to come up with his great plan. Odds we'll see it anytime soon?

And you're not allowed to blame past presidents for recent failings...at least that's what you all told us when Obama blamed Bush for anything, right?

The GOP congress didn't follow through on their campaign promises.

The plan was given to us by Obama and the Democratic congress -- by lies as we all know now.

Of course, conservatives knew they were lies at the time they were trying to get buy-in. Libs only found out they were lies after-the-fact because, well, they're too educated and all that.

Anyway, Obama and the Dems are the ONLY ones to blame.

You can keep saying it's Trump's fault, but us uneducated folks know the truth.

(11-30-2018 11:46 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 10:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I think we already have beaten this horse to death. The temporary government subsidies designed to help start the expanded access to Medicare have now expired. The states have to either come up with the money themselves, or they have to pass on the cost to the consumer. Unlike the Federal government, most states by law must have balanced budgets—and they don’t have the money to replace the subsidies. Welcome to the real cost of Obamacare. Those who who thought it was so great because it was practically free are learning what the middle class knew all along—the promise of Obamacare is a lie--True dat.

This

Any studies on this so we can see the actual costs going up for these states next year? The media has been awfully quiet about these facts, which should be readily available.

(11-30-2018 11:56 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 11:42 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So they made a factual statement, so you don't trust them or what they report?

Nope. I certainly understand that Trump was in office in 2017. It simply didn't need to be stated.

But it was stated because the MSM is biased towards this President. There is difference in media coverage based on who the intended victim is..... and it's really not debatable.

Liberals message through MSM every minute. They undermine language, they disconnect words from original meaning, avoid clarity, obfuscate, deceive, and weaponize words to limit and control public discourse and promote distrust in the President of the United States of America.

Journalism in America is broken and I see no rational solutions being suggested by anybody to rehabilitate the MSM into a truly facts based profession.

(11-30-2018 12:50 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 10:46 AM)monarchfan4life Wrote:  Good Lord! It's because we are stuck with Obamacare and people cannot afford "affordable health care." But, yeah, it's Trump's fault!

Trumps had two years to come up with his great plan. Odds we'll see it anytime soon?

And you're not allowed to blame past presidents for recent failings...at least that's what you all told us when Obama blamed Bush for anything, right?

The GOP congress didn't follow through on their campaign promises.

The plan was given to us by Obama and the Democratic congress -- by lies as we all know now.

Of course, conservatives knew they were lies at the time they were trying to get buy-in. Libs only found out they were lies after-the-fact because, well, they're too educated and all that.

Anyway, Obama and the Dems are the ONLY ones to blame.

You can keep saying it's Trump's fault, but us uneducated folks know the truth.

How long has the GOP been in charge the house now? And where are their bills to correct this glaring deficiency in the ACA purposely, planted by the dems, that you claim exists.

kids without insurance...can go on Medicare/Medicaid....whatever.

Their parents need to get a job and get insurance. this is a full employment economy thanks to our Magnificent President Trump. No excuses.


No more handouts. The party is over.

(11-30-2018 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 12:50 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 10:46 AM)monarchfan4life Wrote:  Good Lord! It's because we are stuck with Obamacare and people cannot afford "affordable health care." But, yeah, it's Trump's fault!

Trumps had two years to come up with his great plan. Odds we'll see it anytime soon?

And you're not allowed to blame past presidents for recent failings...at least that's what you all told us when Obama blamed Bush for anything, right?

The GOP congress didn't follow through on their campaign promises.

The plan was given to us by Obama and the Democratic congress -- by lies as we all know now.

Of course, conservatives knew they were lies at the time they were trying to get buy-in. Libs only found out they were lies after-the-fact because, well, they're too educated and all that.

Anyway, Obama and the Dems are the ONLY ones to blame.

You can keep saying it's Trump's fault, but us uneducated folks know the truth.

How long has the GOP been in charge the house now? And where are their bills to correct this glaring deficiency in the ACA purposely, planted by the dems, that you claim exists.

how about we not correct the ACA...and these idiot parents go out and get a friggin job and get insurance...how about that?

(11-30-2018 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 12:50 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 10:46 AM)monarchfan4life Wrote:  Good Lord! It's because we are stuck with Obamacare and people cannot afford "affordable health care." But, yeah, it's Trump's fault!

Trumps had two years to come up with his great plan. Odds we'll see it anytime soon?

And you're not allowed to blame past presidents for recent failings...at least that's what you all told us when Obama blamed Bush for anything, right?

The GOP congress didn't follow through on their campaign promises.

The plan was given to us by Obama and the Democratic congress -- by lies as we all know now.

Of course, conservatives knew they were lies at the time they were trying to get buy-in. Libs only found out they were lies after-the-fact because, well, they're too educated and all that.

Anyway, Obama and the Dems are the ONLY ones to blame.

You can keep saying it's Trump's fault, but us uneducated folks know the truth.

How long has the GOP been in charge the house now? And where are their bills to correct this glaring deficiency in the ACA purposely, planted by the dems, that you claim exists.

When you say GOP what do you specifically mean: RINOs or Conservatives?

There's a YUGE difference, you know.

(11-30-2018 01:50 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 01:33 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 12:50 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 10:46 AM)monarchfan4life Wrote:  Good Lord! It's because we are stuck with Obamacare and people cannot afford "affordable health care." But, yeah, it's Trump's fault!

Trumps had two years to come up with his great plan. Odds we'll see it anytime soon?

And you're not allowed to blame past presidents for recent failings...at least that's what you all told us when Obama blamed Bush for anything, right?

The GOP congress didn't follow through on their campaign promises.

The plan was given to us by Obama and the Democratic congress -- by lies as we all know now.

Of course, conservatives knew they were lies at the time they were trying to get buy-in. Libs only found out they were lies after-the-fact because, well, they're too educated and all that.

Anyway, Obama and the Dems are the ONLY ones to blame.

You can keep saying it's Trump's fault, but us uneducated folks know the truth.

How long has the GOP been in charge the house now? And where are their bills to correct this glaring deficiency in the ACA purposely, planted by the dems, that you claim exists.

When you say GOP what do you specifically mean: RINOs or Conservatives?

There's a YUGE difference, you know.

They were able to talk a big game when they gained control while BHO was still POTUS knowing he would veto anything.

So they campaigned on it to get the support of the base.

Then they were shocked when Trump won. Since then they've been called out.

Anything else?

(11-30-2018 12:32 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Trumps had two years to come up with his great plan. Odds we'll see it anytime soon?

As for 276,000 uninsured.... anyone that knows ANYTHING about the subject would know that this wouldn't be poor children because poor children are covered under state plans and there have been no changes there. I don't recall (but I could have missed) a state that had expanded medicaid revoking it... and without that, it wouldn't be people on significant subsidies.

I'm wondering how many were from Hawaii and that cluster that they went through.

(11-30-2018 11:46 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 10:55 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 09:23 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  First time in nearly a decade:

Quote:The number of children who are uninsured in the U.S. is on the rise for the first time in nearly a decade, with 276,000 more children going without insurance in President Donald Trump’s first year in office than in 2016, according to findings released Thursday by Georgetown University.

Researchers find 276,000 more kids uninsured in Trump's first year in office

Quote:“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said in an interview with The Washington Post. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.”

6 promises Trump has made about health care

But at least he didn't promise they could keep their doctor, so it's all good AMIRITE?

I think we already have beaten this horse to death. The temporary government subsidies designed to help start the expanded access to Medicare have now expired. The states have to either come up with the money themselves, or they have to pass on the cost to the consumer. Unlike the Federal government, most states by law must have balanced budgets—and they don’t have the money to replace the subsidies. Welcome to the real cost of Obamacare. Those who who thought it was so great because it was practically free are learning what the middle class knew all along—the promise of Obamacare is a lie.

This

Yep. Succinct and direct. Well done AC.

A piece of crap that people can’t afford.

Fitting that RedTom blames Trump for the Democratic piece of sh!t that Obamacare is.........

(11-30-2018 12:32 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(11-30-2018 10:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Trumps had two years to come up with his great plan. Odds we'll see it anytime soon?

You've seen it. Trump wants single payer which is a 'no go' with the right for policy reasons (country over team), and although the left wants that too, they won't support it because they won't support Trump even when they agree with him. Team over country.

As for 276,000 uninsured.... anyone that knows ANYTHING about the subject would know that this wouldn't be poor children because poor children are covered under state plans and there have been no changes there. I don't recall (but I could have missed) a state that had expanded medicaid revoking it... and without that, it wouldn't be people on significant subsidies.

So that means that these are overwhelmingly HEALTHY middle class to wealthy people who have decided that they don't want to pay $5,000 per year and have $5,000 deductibles in order to get $400 in immunizations and well checks 'covered' and would instead pay out of pocket. How many years can you go saving $9,600 per year before it really doesn't matter much anymore?

But what do I know... this is just my business; providing healthcare and 'alternative' primary care for the insured AND uninsured with means IN the HOME of the ACA.... while you've got a computer.

Exactly. I know more than one person that used to be able to pay health insurance premiums that say that just can't afford it anymore and have let it go. These people also make middle income wages. I was between jobs when ACA kicked in and saw my premiums more than double and the deductible triple, making it worthless unless I had a major medical condition like a heart attack or cancer. What ACA did was create a new indigent care class of people who used to be able to afford it but now cannot.

(11-30-2018 11:48 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No, clowns, this is not a design of the ACA. Try again!

Quote:The Trump administration and conservative lawmakers’ attempts to sabotage the health care law are likely the primary driver, Alker said. Votes in Congress to repeal the ACA last year, though ultimately unsuccessful, brewed confusion over whether the law still exists and coverage is still available. (It does, and it is.) When Congress allowed funding for the bipartisan Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) to lapse for a shocking four months last winter, parents in some states were told that their kids’ coverage could soon end.

Meanwhile, the Trump administration has shortened the insurance sign-up period, which runs until December 15 in Texas, and slashed funding for outreach and enrollment assistance. And Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton is leading a lawsuit against the ACA that could kick millions of people off their health insurance, putting coverage for kids with pre-existing conditions at risk.

Texas’ Uninsured Rate for Kids, Highest in the Country, Increased for the First Time in Years

Tom... You're (once again) wrong

If it weren't a design of the ACA, then the federal supports would not have had an expiration date. That was done by the Obama administration and the Democratic Congress and nobody else. There are articles dating back to the time it started warning of this.

The uninsured children WASN'T a design of the ACA, but it WAS what the middle class who voted for Trump voted for, for the reasons articulated. I said for 10 years that the ACA was a tax on the healthy, not the wealthy. Healthy middle class people don't want to subsidize unhealthy middle class people or people who make horrible choices.

So yes, uninsured kids rise as a result of the repeal of the mandate (and some other games that the left played) but the ones off because of the repeal of the mandate are not the poor, and they made a smart fiscal choice that the ACA denied them.