This is what many are trying to describe as "normal" interaction for children.
I'm fine with adults wanting to "be their true selves"....but dragging kids into this is pretty disgusting.

(11-28-2018 12:49 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 07:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  MY only issue is the claim that when given his choice, he identifies as a male.

If that's the case and you DON'T have an issue with the mother, then you're one twisted piece of work. If it's not and the child identifies as Luna, more power to the mom and screw the POS dad.

I absolutely agree with this. If the kid wants to identify as male, Mom needs to step off. If the kid wants to identify as female, Dad does.

However, I wonder how many on here (outside of Ham, it seems) would be as tough on the Dad as they are with this Mom if the kid identified as Luna?

While I agree it SEEMS that the Mom is the one out of line here, it's also entirely possible that the kid is making choices with his Dad based on what he thinks he wants to hear - it also seems that the writer also had an issue with a grandmother dressing him as a girl, as well as his own gender experience that may be affecting how much of the "other side" of the story is being told as well.

Its possible the child is wanting to please both parent but from what we know it also seems like the father is not pressuring the child to make the choice to wear boys clothes or to act like a boy.

The more telling fact is the way the child acts when he's not around either of the parents. From all accounts when given that choice its a 6 year old boy. What the article did not say is how the child acts in school when he's around other kids. Dressed as a girl.

Are there court records from the teacher or other parent's that are around the class? If so its not in the article. Is the child as free going being around other kids while dressed as a girl as he seems around boys.

(11-28-2018 01:31 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 12:49 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 07:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  MY only issue is the claim that when given his choice, he identifies as a male.

If that's the case and you DON'T have an issue with the mother, then you're one twisted piece of work. If it's not and the child identifies as Luna, more power to the mom and screw the POS dad.

I absolutely agree with this. If the kid wants to identify as male, Mom needs to step off. If the kid wants to identify as female, Dad does.

However, I wonder how many on here (outside of Ham, it seems) would be as tough on the Dad as they are with this Mom if the kid identified as Luna?

While I agree it SEEMS that the Mom is the one out of line here, it's also entirely possible that the kid is making choices with his Dad based on what he thinks he wants to hear - it also seems that the writer also had an issue with a grandmother dressing him as a girl, as well as his own gender experience that may be affecting how much of the "other side" of the story is being told as well.

At the age of 6 for any child’s mental health, they should be treated as the gender they are born with. They are too young for anything else, and switching would just lead to confusion in their fragile mind..


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Agree. Before puberty, they wouldn't know. Its the current society that is allowing them to be confused.

(11-27-2018 04:40 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This is what we worrry about????

Yes, this is worry worthy. You seem callously unconcerned over the emotional and physical well being of a young child.

(11-27-2018 06:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL

But of course, many of those who have an issue with the mother in this case have no issue whatsoever about gassing kids at the border or separating them from their families...but then again, those kids aren't white, I suppose.

Really it isn't about the kid, its about the father. Its always about the male in here.

AUP violation or not, you are a freakin moron. And where were your crocodile tears when the Obama administration had over 70 instances of TEAR-gassing people at the border?

(11-28-2018 12:35 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 11:20 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 11:11 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  I'm LGBT, but have to agree this is wrong. People should not be allowed to transition until they are legally an adult even if they have a parent's permission. It even bothers me when parents parade around their "gay" adolescent children. These kids won't begin to understand those kinds of feelings until they reach puberty and have a better understanding of what they are. It's clear this mother has some problems, especially because the boy chooses to be a boy when he's with his dad. Messing with a child's hormones before he goes through puberty could seriously mess his body up, and it should not be legal to castrate an 8 year old period. That's just plain wrong.

Unfortunately, our courts recently ruled that the federal ban on female genital mutilation is unconstitutional.

so castration sounds like it's a go.

The court ruled that Congress did not have the right to ban female genital mutilation using the commerce clause but the states can individually ban it.

So the court ruled that the federal government does not have a right to ban female genital mutilation.

(11-28-2018 01:48 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 12:49 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 07:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  MY only issue is the claim that when given his choice, he identifies as a male.

If that's the case and you DON'T have an issue with the mother, then you're one twisted piece of work. If it's not and the child identifies as Luna, more power to the mom and screw the POS dad.

I absolutely agree with this. If the kid wants to identify as male, Mom needs to step off. If the kid wants to identify as female, Dad does.

However, I wonder how many on here (outside of Ham, it seems) would be as tough on the Dad as they are with this Mom if the kid identified as Luna?

While I agree it SEEMS that the Mom is the one out of line here, it's also entirely possible that the kid is making choices with his Dad based on what he thinks he wants to hear - it also seems that the writer also had an issue with a grandmother dressing him as a girl, as well as his own gender experience that may be affecting how much of the "other side" of the story is being told as well.

Its possible the child is wanting to please both parent but from what we know it also seems like the father is not pressuring the child to make the choice to wear boys clothes or to act like a boy.

The more telling fact is the way the child acts when he's not around either of the parents. From all accounts when given that choice its a 6 year old boy. What the article did not say is how the child acts in school when he's around other kids. Dressed as a girl.

Are there court records from the teacher or other parent's that are around the class? If so its not in the article. Is the child as free going being around other kids while dressed as a girl as he seems around boys.

I suspect not many of the other kids want much to do with him. That is the saddest part of the whole thing. Kid is in kindergarten or 1st grade and will never be able to get away from this unless the dad wins custody and they move far away. His middle and high school years are going to be hell regardless of the outcomes. Best case scenario is his adulthood is saved, but his childhood is ruined.

(11-28-2018 01:31 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 12:49 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 07:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  MY only issue is the claim that when given his choice, he identifies as a male.

If that's the case and you DON'T have an issue with the mother, then you're one twisted piece of work. If it's not and the child identifies as Luna, more power to the mom and screw the POS dad.

I absolutely agree with this. If the kid wants to identify as male, Mom needs to step off. If the kid wants to identify as female, Dad does.

However, I wonder how many on here (outside of Ham, it seems) would be as tough on the Dad as they are with this Mom if the kid identified as Luna?

While I agree it SEEMS that the Mom is the one out of line here, it's also entirely possible that the kid is making choices with his Dad based on what he thinks he wants to hear - it also seems that the writer also had an issue with a grandmother dressing him as a girl, as well as his own gender experience that may be affecting how much of the "other side" of the story is being told as well.

At the age of 6 for any child’s mental health, they should be treated as the gender they are born with. They are too young for anything else, and switching would just lead to confusion in their fragile mind..

I disagree completely. In fact, if a child is truly having those feelings (not saying this one is), they need to feel that they are safe to express themselves as male or female.

An acquaintance has gone through this with one of their kids - the oldest is as "boyish" as you can get, but the youngest prefers to wear pink and grow his hair. They don't treat it as a "thing" - they let his hair grow and let him wear what he wants. By all accounts he's a well-adjusted elementary age child with plenty of friends.

HOWEVER, I do not think they should be allowed to have any medical procedures to alter gender until they are done with puberty.

(11-28-2018 03:52 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I suspect not many of the other kids want much to do with him. That is the saddest part of the whole thing. Kid is in kindergarten or 1st grade and will never be able to get away from this unless the dad wins custody and they move far away.

Why assume that? Kids are considerably more open-minded than adults. Typically the only reason kids at that young age would be mean is from things they've picked up from their parents/family.

(11-28-2018 01:48 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 12:49 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 07:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  MY only issue is the claim that when given his choice, he identifies as a male.

If that's the case and you DON'T have an issue with the mother, then you're one twisted piece of work. If it's not and the child identifies as Luna, more power to the mom and screw the POS dad.

I absolutely agree with this. If the kid wants to identify as male, Mom needs to step off. If the kid wants to identify as female, Dad does.

However, I wonder how many on here (outside of Ham, it seems) would be as tough on the Dad as they are with this Mom if the kid identified as Luna?

While I agree it SEEMS that the Mom is the one out of line here, it's also entirely possible that the kid is making choices with his Dad based on what he thinks he wants to hear - it also seems that the writer also had an issue with a grandmother dressing him as a girl, as well as his own gender experience that may be affecting how much of the "other side" of the story is being told as well.

Its possible the child is wanting to please both parent but from what we know it also seems like the father is not pressuring the child to make the choice to wear boys clothes or to act like a boy.

The more telling fact is the way the child acts when he's not around either of the parents. From all accounts when given that choice its a 6 year old boy. What the article did not say is how the child acts in school when he's around other kids. Dressed as a girl.

Are there court records from the teacher or other parent's that are around the class? If so its not in the article. Is the child as free going being around other kids while dressed as a girl as he seems around boys.

I agree that there seems to be a good bit of missing info. It may very well be that the Mom is pushing something on the kid, but it may also be that the kid is acting a certain way because he feels it's "expected" of him when he's with his Dad. For example, how do we know the Dad is offering the girl clothes without some sort of sense of disapproval?

Again, the writer sharing his past experience explains a lot of the tone of the article.

(11-28-2018 04:00 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 03:52 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I suspect not many of the other kids want much to do with him. That is the saddest part of the whole thing. Kid is in kindergarten or 1st grade and will never be able to get away from this unless the dad wins custody and they move far away.

Why assume that? Kids are considerably more open-minded than adults. Typically the only reason kids at that young age would be mean is from things they've picked up from their parents/family.

Maybe he understands kids. The kids may accept he/she, but that doesn't mean they want to spend time with them. Kids know what is normal and what is odd. There's a difference between having friends and simply being accepted. Its a HUGE difference for the child.

(11-28-2018 04:00 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 03:52 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I suspect not many of the other kids want much to do with him. That is the saddest part of the whole thing. Kid is in kindergarten or 1st grade and will never be able to get away from this unless the dad wins custody and they move far away.

Why assume that? Kids are considerably more open-minded than adults. Typically the only reason kids at that young age would be mean is from things they've picked up from their parents/family.

I take it you haven't been around many kids.

I have 3. Kids are mean, especially around ages 8-15. They separate themselves into al kinds of groups and subgroups and "chick with dick" isn't one of them, certainly not in Dallas, Texas. And even the ones that aren't mean will just let the child be, but they won't include him in anything.

(11-28-2018 03:57 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:31 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 12:49 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 07:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  MY only issue is the claim that when given his choice, he identifies as a male.

If that's the case and you DON'T have an issue with the mother, then you're one twisted piece of work. If it's not and the child identifies as Luna, more power to the mom and screw the POS dad.

I absolutely agree with this. If the kid wants to identify as male, Mom needs to step off. If the kid wants to identify as female, Dad does.

However, I wonder how many on here (outside of Ham, it seems) would be as tough on the Dad as they are with this Mom if the kid identified as Luna?

While I agree it SEEMS that the Mom is the one out of line here, it's also entirely possible that the kid is making choices with his Dad based on what he thinks he wants to hear - it also seems that the writer also had an issue with a grandmother dressing him as a girl, as well as his own gender experience that may be affecting how much of the "other side" of the story is being told as well.

At the age of 6 for any child’s mental health, they should be treated as the gender they are born with. They are too young for anything else, and switching would just lead to confusion in their fragile mind..

I disagree completely. In fact, if a child is truly having those feelings (not saying this one is), they need to feel that they are safe to express themselves as male or female.

An acquaintance has gone through this with one of their kids - the oldest is as "boyish" as you can get, but the youngest prefers to wear pink and grow his hair. They don't treat it as a "thing" - they let his hair grow and let him wear what he wants. By all accounts he's a well-adjusted elementary age child with plenty of friends.

HOWEVER, I do not think they should be allowed to have any medical procedures to alter gender until they are done with puberty.

My son is 10 with no gender issues. He isn't allowed to dress or wear his hair how he wants. Not going to treat my daughter or other son any different. They have an opinion and if my wife and I deem it acceptable, they can wear it, but if my wife and I don't agree, they can't wear it. My son will not appear as a freak, gangsta, goth/emo or have long or dyed hair or tattoos or piercings. He is into soccer and likes collecting and wearing soccer jerseys... that is acceptable. My daughters will not wear makeup until an acceptable age or dress like a whore. She is too young to know what she wants and wears whatever we pull out of the closet and change her into.

Really simple shite.

(11-28-2018 07:52 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Believe Global Warming Science, it's "good" science.

Don't believe biology, it's "bad" science.

Lefties can choose their science-which is true and which is not, right?

(11-28-2018 04:21 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 04:00 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 03:52 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  I suspect not many of the other kids want much to do with him. That is the saddest part of the whole thing. Kid is in kindergarten or 1st grade and will never be able to get away from this unless the dad wins custody and they move far away.

Why assume that? Kids are considerably more open-minded than adults. Typically the only reason kids at that young age would be mean is from things they've picked up from their parents/family.

I take it you haven't been around many kids.

I have 3. Kids are mean, especially around ages 8-15. They separate themselves into al kinds of groups and subgroups and "chick with dick" isn't one of them, certainly not in Dallas, Texas. And even the ones that aren't mean will just let the child be, but they won't include him in anything.

Kids being mean is a learned behavior, period. By the time they're 8-15, they've been around other kids who may have learned that behavior from parents/siblings and try to "fit in" by acting like them.

However, this kid is 6 and in kindergarten, 1st grade at the very oldest. That's not happening at that age unless kids are hearing it from their parents.

I have a kid who is 9 & in 3rd grade. Outside of an occasional argument with some insults thrown around, even at that age they're not acting like that yet.

If this kid were in middle school, I might agree with you - at 6, kids don't care unless a parent is putting the ideas in their head.

(11-28-2018 04:28 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 03:57 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:31 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 12:49 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 07:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  MY only issue is the claim that when given his choice, he identifies as a male.

If that's the case and you DON'T have an issue with the mother, then you're one twisted piece of work. If it's not and the child identifies as Luna, more power to the mom and screw the POS dad.

I absolutely agree with this. If the kid wants to identify as male, Mom needs to step off. If the kid wants to identify as female, Dad does.

However, I wonder how many on here (outside of Ham, it seems) would be as tough on the Dad as they are with this Mom if the kid identified as Luna?

While I agree it SEEMS that the Mom is the one out of line here, it's also entirely possible that the kid is making choices with his Dad based on what he thinks he wants to hear - it also seems that the writer also had an issue with a grandmother dressing him as a girl, as well as his own gender experience that may be affecting how much of the "other side" of the story is being told as well.

At the age of 6 for any child’s mental health, they should be treated as the gender they are born with. They are too young for anything else, and switching would just lead to confusion in their fragile mind..

I disagree completely. In fact, if a child is truly having those feelings (not saying this one is), they need to feel that they are safe to express themselves as male or female.

An acquaintance has gone through this with one of their kids - the oldest is as "boyish" as you can get, but the youngest prefers to wear pink and grow his hair. They don't treat it as a "thing" - they let his hair grow and let him wear what he wants. By all accounts he's a well-adjusted elementary age child with plenty of friends.

HOWEVER, I do not think they should be allowed to have any medical procedures to alter gender until they are done with puberty.

My son is 10 with no gender issues. He isn't allowed to dress or wear his hair how he wants. Not going to treat my daughter or other son any different. They have an opinion and if my wife and I deem it acceptable, they can wear it, but if my wife and I don't agree, they can't wear it. My son will not appear as a freak, gangsta, goth/emo or have long or dyed hair or tattoos or piercings. He is into soccer and likes collecting and wearing soccer jerseys... that is acceptable. My daughters will not wear makeup until an acceptable age or dress like a whore. She is too young to know what she wants and wears whatever we pull out of the closet and change her into.

Really simple shite.

If your daughter wanted to cut her hair short and wear jeans/shorts vs. skirts, would you let her? Or do you require that her hair be past her collar and that she wear "feminine" clothes 24-7? What if she wanted to collect the soccer jerseys instead of your son? (fwiw, my son likes to collect them too.)

There's a world of difference between letting kids have the freedom to be comfortable in their clothing/hairstyle choices and "dressing like a whore/freak/goth."

(11-28-2018 08:00 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 06:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  LOL

But of course, many of those who have an issue with the mother in this case have no issue whatsoever about gassing kids at the border or separating them from their families...but then again, those kids aren't white, I suppose.

Really it isn't about the kid, its about the father. Its always about the male in here.

Mods go ahead and give me a warning.

Tom this same old bull**** from you is beyond tiring. What the fvck does using tear gas (NOT "GASSING" as you are intentionally trying to draw comparisons between Assad and Trump) to turn back people trying to enter the country illegally, or detaining illegal immigrants have to do with what appears to be a mother intentionally confusing her kid with regards to his gender??? For fvcks sake, you managed the liberal trifecta in your bull****- comparing Trump to a dictator, racism, and sexism. What a miserable life you must live to always view the world as you do.

Family issues manifesting themselves in self/worldview. Instead of beginning to deal with them, if one instead finds a convenient label for their disorder, then they can demand enabling without taking responsibility for their disordered behaviors. Liberal paradise! A good guess is at least 2 if not all of the big 3 issues lurk in the background. Add denial and you have more than a hat trick.

(11-28-2018 03:57 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:31 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 12:49 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 07:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  MY only issue is the claim that when given his choice, he identifies as a male.

If that's the case and you DON'T have an issue with the mother, then you're one twisted piece of work. If it's not and the child identifies as Luna, more power to the mom and screw the POS dad.

I absolutely agree with this. If the kid wants to identify as male, Mom needs to step off. If the kid wants to identify as female, Dad does.

However, I wonder how many on here (outside of Ham, it seems) would be as tough on the Dad as they are with this Mom if the kid identified as Luna?

While I agree it SEEMS that the Mom is the one out of line here, it's also entirely possible that the kid is making choices with his Dad based on what he thinks he wants to hear - it also seems that the writer also had an issue with a grandmother dressing him as a girl, as well as his own gender experience that may be affecting how much of the "other side" of the story is being told as well.

At the age of 6 for any child’s mental health, they should be treated as the gender they are born with. They are too young for anything else, and switching would just lead to confusion in their fragile mind..

I disagree completely. In fact, if a child is truly having those feelings (not saying this one is), they need to feel that they are safe to express themselves as male or female.

An acquaintance has gone through this with one of their kids - the oldest is as "boyish" as you can get, but the youngest prefers to wear pink and grow his hair. They don't treat it as a "thing" - they let his hair grow and let him wear what he wants. By all accounts he's a well-adjusted elementary age child with plenty of friends.

HOWEVER, I do not think they should be allowed to have any medical procedures to alter gender until they are done with puberty.

What if those psychologists are right who say this really is a mental illness?

Let's say I, as a parent, thought this behavior should be considered normal and I encourage my child to explore this.

Then let's say at some point the mental health consensus ends up that it's actually a mental illness and should be treated rather than encouraged.

As a parent, would I be OK knowing that I encouraged my child to engage in mentally harmful behavior? Not to mention if my encouragement led to my child engaging in physical mutilation?

(11-28-2018 04:28 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  My son is 10 with no gender issues. He isn't allowed to dress or wear his hair how he wants. Not going to treat my daughter or other son any different. They have an opinion and if my wife and I deem it acceptable, they can wear it, but if my wife and I don't agree, they can't wear it. My son will not appear as a freak, gangsta, goth/emo or have long or dyed hair or tattoos or piercings. He is into soccer and likes collecting and wearing soccer jerseys... that is acceptable. My daughters will not wear makeup until an acceptable age or dress like a whore. She is too young to know what she wants and wears whatever we pull out of the closet and change her into.

Really simple shite.

+1,000,000 for Common Sense Parenting, something lost on many today.

(11-28-2018 04:57 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 03:57 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:31 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 12:49 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 07:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  MY only issue is the claim that when given his choice, he identifies as a male.

If that's the case and you DON'T have an issue with the mother, then you're one twisted piece of work. If it's not and the child identifies as Luna, more power to the mom and screw the POS dad.

I absolutely agree with this. If the kid wants to identify as male, Mom needs to step off. If the kid wants to identify as female, Dad does.

However, I wonder how many on here (outside of Ham, it seems) would be as tough on the Dad as they are with this Mom if the kid identified as Luna?

While I agree it SEEMS that the Mom is the one out of line here, it's also entirely possible that the kid is making choices with his Dad based on what he thinks he wants to hear - it also seems that the writer also had an issue with a grandmother dressing him as a girl, as well as his own gender experience that may be affecting how much of the "other side" of the story is being told as well.

At the age of 6 for any child’s mental health, they should be treated as the gender they are born with. They are too young for anything else, and switching would just lead to confusion in their fragile mind..

I disagree completely. In fact, if a child is truly having those feelings (not saying this one is), they need to feel that they are safe to express themselves as male or female.

An acquaintance has gone through this with one of their kids - the oldest is as "boyish" as you can get, but the youngest prefers to wear pink and grow his hair. They don't treat it as a "thing" - they let his hair grow and let him wear what he wants. By all accounts he's a well-adjusted elementary age child with plenty of friends.

HOWEVER, I do not think they should be allowed to have any medical procedures to alter gender until they are done with puberty.

What if those psychologists are right who say this really is a mental illness?

Let's say I, as a parent, thought this behavior should be considered normal and I encourage my child to explore this.

Then let's say at some point the mental health consensus ends up that it's actually a mental illness and should be treated rather than encouraged.

As a parent, would I be OK knowing that I encouraged my child to engage in mentally harmful behavior? Not to mention if my encouragement led to my child engaging in physical mutilation?

As a parent, you do the best you can with the information you have. Right now, the mental health consensus is that kids with gender issues should be allowed to explore and not require stereotypes within a reasonable range (having surgeries/medical treatments at that age is NOT reasonable, of course).

On the flip of your idea - what if the parent forces the born gender on their kid, and the mental health consensus later on is that doing that is damaging? How would that parent feel knowing that they forced their kid into something that wasn't good for them?

To offer a comparison, around the time I was pregnant was the time when the anti-vax movement was getting geared up...I thought long and hard about having a staggered vaccination schedule for my son, because I thought it was the best option all around - allowing the protection of all the vaccines without the potential problem of overleading his system with meds & chemicals at once.

By the time he was born & we were really having to make those decisions, more info had come out to make me feel more at ease about a normal vaccination schedule, but if it had not and I staggered it, I would have done so because I felt like I was doing the best thing for him.