Its too bad there wasn't head to head match-ups to decide who's the most bowl worthy between EMU, Miami, and WMU. Oh wait..

The bowls only care Toledo and WMU are 7-5 (while Miami is 6-6). Now what bowls and networks (owners of the bowl)also care about are traveling fan bases and eyeballs on the TV. Miami is going to be measured against other 6-6 teams in this regard and it could cost them in the end.

And there is no way the MAC would send a 6-6 team to one of its bowls and leave a 7-5 team home.

(11-28-2018 01:18 PM)axeme Wrote:  And there is no way the MAC would send a 6-6 team to one of its bowls and leave a 7-5 team home.

College football 101:

Each team (if in a conference) plays both conference and non-conference games.

Conference games are not under the purview of the team.

On the other hand, the team is free to schedule which ever non-conference games they can.

There are many factors, but one is to get sufficient wins to meet the team's minimum requirements. Some would say seven wins for a G5 school is a reasonable goal because it normally guarantees a bowl game.

For a MAC school, it might be advantageous to play a FCS team at home rather than game on the road. MAC teams should try to have two OOC home games, if possible.

MAC teams should try to avoid meat grinder schedules simply because they can't afford to get 1 :1 or 2 : 1 with the big boys (P5) or unwilling to schedule a FCS game.

(11-28-2018 07:51 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 02:29 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  If EMU’s kicker wasn’t missing chipshot FG’s, they’re playing at Ford Field Friday. EMU was the best MAC team NIU played all year.

Same if WMU makes the 2-point conversion in OT at Ball State.

I can play that game too - let's say Miami gets the last-second field goal against WMU and two-point conversion at Army. UB still holds the head-to-head tiebreaker, there's no way we're sitting at home at 8-4.

(11-28-2018 07:32 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 07:51 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 02:29 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  If EMU’s kicker wasn’t missing chipshot FG’s, they’re playing at Ford Field Friday. EMU was the best MAC team NIU played all year.

Same if WMU makes the 2-point conversion in OT at Ball State.

I can play that game too - let's say Miami gets the last-second field goal against WMU and two-point conversion at Army. UB still holds the head-to-head tiebreaker, there's no way we're sitting at home at 8-4.

Yup, jump in a time machine and arrange that, Miami goes bowlng. If it's and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

You could argue tougher out-of-conference match-ups if you had actually won one of them.

(11-29-2018 12:27 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  You could argue tougher out-of-conference match-ups if you had actually won one of them.

(11-29-2018 12:27 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  You could argue tougher out-of-conference match-ups if you had actually won one of them.

We can't all play giant killers like Delaware State and Georgia State.

(11-29-2018 08:07 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:27 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  You could argue tougher out-of-conference match-ups if you had actually won one of them.

We can't all play giant killers like Delaware State and Georgia State.

Most going into the season thought Georgia St would be a 6-6, 7-5 type of a team. No one saw them finishing in the bottom of the Belt.

(11-29-2018 08:07 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:27 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  You could argue tougher out-of-conference match-ups if you had actually won one of them.

We can't all play giant killers like Delaware State and Georgia State.

You can claim bad luck about Army being good this year, but you can't claim that Miami deliberately scheduled a tough OOC game when they signed that contract. They were hoping for a game against an opponent that has a high profile name but a lightweight offensive and defensive line to give the Redhawks the next best thing to a bye week physically, but disciplined enough that you have to stay mentally focused when you play them.

Miami has played Army 5 times with one more scheduled. Twice they have been really good and we lost, the other 3 times they were not strong and we won. The first time we played them I think they came into Oxford 8-0. These games have been scheduled over almost a 30 year period, so you really do not know how good that team is going to be. So far twice they have been really good out of 5 games.

(11-29-2018 10:01 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Most going into the season thought Georgia St would be a 6-6, 7-5 type of a team. No one saw them finishing in the bottom of the Belt.

We did. All Georgia State had last year was a good QB and a good WR. That QB graduated, and his backups were garbage.

(12-02-2018 04:49 PM)DICK Wrote:  Miami has played Army 5 times with one more scheduled. Twice they have been really good and we lost, the other 3 times they were not strong and we won. The first time we played them I think they came into Oxford 8-0. These games have been scheduled over almost a 30 year period, so you really do not know how good that team is going to be. So far twice they have been really good out of 5 games.

Yeah, I was obviously referring to recent contracts with Army, not the three game series in the 90s.

Not referring to the one in 1960, either.

The last thing bowls are about is merit.

(11-29-2018 08:07 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(11-29-2018 12:27 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  You could argue tougher out-of-conference match-ups if you had actually won one of them.

We can't all play giant killers like Delaware State and Georgia State.

We also played a top 10 and top 20 team.

(12-03-2018 06:37 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 04:49 PM)DICK Wrote:  Miami has played Army 5 times with one more scheduled. Twice they have been really good and we lost, the other 3 times they were not strong and we won. The first time we played them I think they came into Oxford 8-0. These games have been scheduled over almost a 30 year period, so you really do not know how good that team is going to be. So far twice they have been really good out of 5 games.

Yeah, I was obviously referring to recent contracts with Army, not the three game series in the 90s.

Not referring to the one in 1960, either.

The game we just played was scheduled about 10 or 12 years ago. It was set up where we played Army once every 3 or 4 years or so and has been adjusted a couple of times. They were not good 10 years ago, but they have had strong teams at times in the past and they will again in the future. There is great pride and tradition around that program.

(12-03-2018 10:41 PM)DICK Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 06:37 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(12-02-2018 04:49 PM)DICK Wrote:  Miami has played Army 5 times with one more scheduled. Twice they have been really good and we lost, the other 3 times they were not strong and we won. The first time we played them I think they came into Oxford 8-0. These games have been scheduled over almost a 30 year period, so you really do not know how good that team is going to be. So far twice they have been really good out of 5 games.

Yeah, I was obviously referring to recent contracts with Army, not the three game series in the 90s.

Not referring to the one in 1960, either.

The game we just played was scheduled about 10 or 12 years ago. It was set up where we played Army once every 3 or 4 years or so and has been adjusted a couple of times. They were not good 10 years ago, but they have had strong teams at times in the past and they will again in the future. There is great pride and tradition around that program.

Great pride and tradition, but not a great deal of size on the lines. You don't sign that contract figuring you are playing a team as good as they were this year. Pretending that Miami's SOS this year was purely their choice to play a schedule that tough doesn't fly.

There are valid points to your argument, but unfortunately it is not about who deserves the bowl based on wins and losses. It's very, very political......and to a lesser degree, money.

Dear Miami fans,

You were right. It should’ve been you.