C-USA needs another bowl slot like we need another member. We need some QUALITY, not more quantity! We need to get rid of bowls like the Hawaii bowl. There is no reason for a tie-in with a bowl in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

What would make the needle move for CUSA?

Sun belt has the right idea. Their champ goes to new orleans the runner up goes to Cure. Conference championships have consequences.

(11-27-2018 10:14 PM)voss749 Wrote:  What would make the needle move for CUSA?

Sun belt has the right idea. Their champ goes to new orleans the runner up goes to Cure. Conference championships have consequences.

For the record, the Conference Runner up is going to Cure only because both Mobile and Montgomery declined their option to take a team coming off a loss in a critical game.

And many SBC Fans will tell you straight to your face that the Cure Bowl is one of the best bowl games no one knows about. Not one school has had a bad experience there. It's just the TV tie in that stinks.

(11-27-2018 10:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 10:14 PM)voss749 Wrote:  What would make the needle move for CUSA?

Sun belt has the right idea. Their champ goes to new orleans the runner up goes to Cure. Conference championships have consequences.

For the record, the Conference Runner up is going to Cure only because both Mobile and Montgomery declined their option to take a team coming off a loss in a critical game.

And many SBC Fans will tell you straight to your face that the Cure Bowl is one of the best bowl games no one knows about. Not one school has had a bad experience there. It's just the TV tie in that stinks.

Im not saying its bad at all. Its just that they have set up a conference championship with teeth.

(11-27-2018 10:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 10:14 PM)voss749 Wrote:  What would make the needle move for CUSA?

Sun belt has the right idea. Their champ goes to new orleans the runner up goes to Cure. Conference championships have consequences.

For the record, the Conference Runner up is going to Cure only because both Mobile and Montgomery declined their option to take a team coming off a loss in a critical game.

And many SBC Fans will tell you straight to your face that the Cure Bowl is one of the best bowl games no one knows about. Not one school has had a bad experience there. It's just the TV tie in that stinks.

I went to the Cure Bowl last year when WKU went. I left at half time. Stadium was nearly empty and WKU was playing like garbage. I think the city and the planners pour their heart and soul into the game though, and if some local teams went to that bowl it could be really successful. I know they raise a ton of money for Breast Cancer. It was just a bad experience in general since they had two teams from far away playing in that bowl (other team was Georgia State). They had a nice tailgate setup at the stadium, with Andy Grammar concert included (girls we were with enjoyed that one).

I know I felt really guilty for them. They clearly spent a lot of money to make that bowl game special but attendance was bad. They had a bunch of Cure Bowl painted cars around the stadium, tons of businesses there to sell their product, and a lot of expensive sponsorships there that businesses clearly spent a lot of money on. I kept walking around the stadium before the game like, "d***, all this for 10,000 people at most?"

(11-27-2018 10:47 PM)voss749 Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 10:36 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 10:14 PM)voss749 Wrote:  What would make the needle move for CUSA?

Sun belt has the right idea. Their champ goes to new orleans the runner up goes to Cure. Conference championships have consequences.

For the record, the Conference Runner up is going to Cure only because both Mobile and Montgomery declined their option to take a team coming off a loss in a critical game.

And many SBC Fans will tell you straight to your face that the Cure Bowl is one of the best bowl games no one knows about. Not one school has had a bad experience there. It's just the TV tie in that stinks.

Im not saying its bad at all. Its just that they have set up a conference championship with teeth.

Also I believe Conference championships should matter. Last year FAU went 11-3 and got stuck in the boca bowl. The Conference champion should get first choice of primary tie-in bowl games unless they get a better at-large invite and that should be in our bowl tie in contract.

The reason we have a bunch of bowl eligible teams is because we have a bunch of bad to average FB teams. We lose our OOC games and then get in league play and win just enough.

Why get rewarded for that?

Maybe the best thing that could happen to S Miss is for them to not get a bowl bid this season. Maybe they would try harder next season.

Definitely a better TV deal. I like the Facebook games but we need greater face time on the tube. And greater fan attendance at these games. Don't take your programs for granted. Get up and go to the games in person. Take it from someone who had to endure the heartache of having his favorite football program shut down. If you don't turn out for these games, the same thing could happen at your campus.

The problem is that everyone thought that CUSA 3.0 would be able to command the TV dollars that 1.0 and 2.0 did, so Banowski rejected ESPN and went to CBS Sports so we didn’t have to play on weeknights. When re-negotiation time came around, our stock wasn’t worth much because the MAC and Belt already jumped on the ESPN bandwagon. Thus, we were left with ASN, Stadium, Facebook, and BEIN.

Whether you like it or not, the only way to get better bowls is to try to get in with ESPN again. Probably too late though.

(12-03-2018 09:30 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  The problem is that everyone thought that CUSA 3.0 would be able to commend the TV dollars that 1.0 and 2.0 did, so Banowski rejected ESPN and went to CBS Sports so we didn’t have to play on weeknights. When re-negotiation time came around, our stock wasn’t worth much because the MAC and Belt already jumped on the ESPN bandwagon. Thus, we were left with ASN, Stadium, Facebook, and BEIN.

Whether you like it or not, the only way to get better bowls is to try to get in with ESPN again. Probably too late though.

Yeah, I agree. ESPN is in control of our bowl stock. I mean, they still have a major say in the football landscape as a whole.

I mean, look at how their narrative has controlled the fate of UCF this year! As soon as their QB went down, that was their smoking gun, and all that was needed to close that door shut.

It’s a mafia business, and we’re on the outs.

(11-26-2018 07:59 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  We need to work on a better TV package.

Are we ever on TV?

(12-03-2018 10:29 AM)eaglebeaver Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 07:59 PM)Green Menace Wrote:  We need to work on a better TV package.

Are we ever on TV?

Does Facebook count?

(12-03-2018 09:30 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  The problem is that everyone thought that CUSA 3.0 would be able to commend the TV dollars that 1.0 and 2.0 did

People really thought that? No cure for stupid, I guess.

Quote:Banowski rejected ESPN and went to CBS Sports so we didn’t have to play on weeknights.

There was the trade-off, yes. I’d love to hear from our HC’s, AD’s and other stake-holders and hear how that has worked out for us.

Quote:When re-negotiation time came around, our stock wasn’t worth much because the MAC and Belt already jumped on the ESPN bandwagon. Thus, we were left with ASN, Stadium, Facebook, and BEIN.

Quote:Whether you like it or not, the only way to get better bowls is to try to get in with ESPN again. Probably too late though.

It’s not to late to switch back to ESPN. Same deal as before, though: pocket-change (or less) for money and lots of Maction-type midweek games.

(12-03-2018 09:30 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  The problem is that everyone thought that CUSA 3.0 would be able to commend the TV dollars that 1.0 and 2.0 did, so Banowski rejected ESPN and went to CBS Sports so we didn’t have to play on weeknights. When re-negotiation time came around, our stock wasn’t worth much because the MAC and Belt already jumped on the ESPN bandwagon. Thus, we were left with ASN, Stadium, Facebook, and BEIN.

Whether you like it or not, the only way to get better bowls is to try to get in with ESPN again. Probably too late though.

ESPN also lowballed us on money. CBS offered us more money and games on Saturday like they should be.

CUSA's stock didn't fall because the MAC and Belt signed up to play midweek games. CUSA's stock fell because the market collapsed. ESPN lost over fifteen million subscribers and they have been told to cut $250 million dollars from their programming budget. They continue to lose about three million subscribers a year. In addition to the billion dollars of lost subscription revenue lost their advertising is losing value. Their programing costs have not declined due to fixed long term contracts. In 2015 ESPN laid off 500 employees and they laid off another 100 last year.
CUSA didn't get a crappy TV deal because of poor leadership. CUSA got a crappy deal because of timing. The value of programming for non-cartel teams is a fraction of what it used to be.

(12-03-2018 09:30 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  The problem is that everyone thought that CUSA 3.0 would be able to commend the TV dollars that 1.0 and 2.0 did, so Banowski rejected ESPN and went to CBS Sports so we didn’t have to play on weeknights. When re-negotiation time came around, our stock wasn’t worth much because the MAC and Belt already jumped on the ESPN bandwagon. Thus, we were left with ASN, Stadium, Facebook, and BEIN.

Whether you like it or not, the only way to get better bowls is to try to get in with ESPN again. Probably too late though.

I'll pass on Tue/Wed night games.

(12-03-2018 12:17 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 09:30 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  The problem is that everyone thought that CUSA 3.0 would be able to command the TV dollars that 1.0 and 2.0 did

People really thought that? No cure for stupid, I guess.

Quote:Banowski rejected ESPN and went to CBS Sports so we didn’t have to play on weeknights.

There was the trade-off, yes. I’d love to hear from our HC’s, AD’s and other stake-holders and hear how that has worked out for us.

Quote:When re-negotiation time came around, our stock wasn’t worth much because the MAC and Belt already jumped on the ESPN bandwagon. Thus, we were left with ASN, Stadium, Facebook, and BEIN.

Quote:Whether you like it or not, the only way to get better bowls is to try to get in with ESPN again. Probably too late though.

It’s not to late to switch back to ESPN. Same deal as before, though: pocket-change (or less) for money and lots of Maction-type midweek games.

That’s just it. The days of CUSA being on a national network on Saturdays are over. If we want national exposure, we are going to have to bite the bullet and play on weeknights IF IF IF ESPN would even be interested because their inventory is full (SunBelt and MAC) for those slots.

(12-04-2018 09:40 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 12:17 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 09:30 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  The problem is that everyone thought that CUSA 3.0 would be able to command the TV dollars that 1.0 and 2.0 did

People really thought that? No cure for stupid, I guess.

Quote:Banowski rejected ESPN and went to CBS Sports so we didn’t have to play on weeknights.

There was the trade-off, yes. I’d love to hear from our HC’s, AD’s and other stake-holders and hear how that has worked out for us.

Quote:When re-negotiation time came around, our stock wasn’t worth much because the MAC and Belt already jumped on the ESPN bandwagon. Thus, we were left with ASN, Stadium, Facebook, and BEIN.

Quote:Whether you like it or not, the only way to get better bowls is to try to get in with ESPN again. Probably too late though.

It’s not to late to switch back to ESPN. Same deal as before, though: pocket-change (or less) for money and lots of Maction-type midweek games.

That’s just it. The days of CUSA being on a national network on Saturdays are over. If we want national exposure, we are going to have to bite the bullet and play on weeknights IF IF IF ESPN would even be interested because their inventory is full (SunBelt and MAC) for those slots.

The money has to be good enough to offset the tickets you don't sell, because you will never get a full stadium (or even half full) on week nights.

(12-04-2018 11:27 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:40 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 12:17 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 09:30 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  The problem is that everyone thought that CUSA 3.0 would be able to command the TV dollars that 1.0 and 2.0 did

People really thought that? No cure for stupid, I guess.

Quote:Banowski rejected ESPN and went to CBS Sports so we didn’t have to play on weeknights.

There was the trade-off, yes. I’d love to hear from our HC’s, AD’s and other stake-holders and hear how that has worked out for us.

Quote:When re-negotiation time came around, our stock wasn’t worth much because the MAC and Belt already jumped on the ESPN bandwagon. Thus, we were left with ASN, Stadium, Facebook, and BEIN.

Quote:Whether you like it or not, the only way to get better bowls is to try to get in with ESPN again. Probably too late though.

It’s not to late to switch back to ESPN. Same deal as before, though: pocket-change (or less) for money and lots of Maction-type midweek games.

That’s just it. The days of CUSA being on a national network on Saturdays are over. If we want national exposure, we are going to have to bite the bullet and play on weeknights IF IF IF ESPN would even be interested because their inventory is full (SunBelt and MAC) for those slots.

The money has to be good enough to offset the tickets you don't sell, because you will never get a full stadium (or even half full) on week nights.

Agree, but many teams don’t get that on Saturday, so we should at least make money and get exposure for it. Lol

(12-04-2018 12:52 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 11:27 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:40 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 12:17 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 09:30 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  The problem is that everyone thought that CUSA 3.0 would be able to command the TV dollars that 1.0 and 2.0 did

People really thought that? No cure for stupid, I guess.

Quote:Banowski rejected ESPN and went to CBS Sports so we didn’t have to play on weeknights.

There was the trade-off, yes. I’d love to hear from our HC’s, AD’s and other stake-holders and hear how that has worked out for us.

Quote:When re-negotiation time came around, our stock wasn’t worth much because the MAC and Belt already jumped on the ESPN bandwagon. Thus, we were left with ASN, Stadium, Facebook, and BEIN.

Quote:Whether you like it or not, the only way to get better bowls is to try to get in with ESPN again. Probably too late though.

It’s not to late to switch back to ESPN. Same deal as before, though: pocket-change (or less) for money and lots of Maction-type midweek games.

That’s just it. The days of CUSA being on a national network on Saturdays are over. If we want national exposure, we are going to have to bite the bullet and play on weeknights IF IF IF ESPN would even be interested because their inventory is full (SunBelt and MAC) for those slots.

The money has to be good enough to offset the tickets you don't sell, because you will never get a full stadium (or even half full) on week nights.

Agree, but many teams don’t get that on Saturday, so we should at least make money and get exposure for it. Lol

Playing a steady schedule of midweek games are will do long term damage for a small short term gain. The exposure is not that great

(12-04-2018 01:19 PM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 12:52 PM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 11:27 AM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(12-04-2018 09:40 AM)THUNDERStruck73 Wrote:  

(12-03-2018 12:17 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  People really thought that? No cure for stupid, I guess.

There was the trade-off, yes. I’d love to hear from our HC’s, AD’s and other stake-holders and hear how that has worked out for us.


It’s not to late to switch back to ESPN. Same deal as before, though: pocket-change (or less) for money and lots of Maction-type midweek games.

That’s just it. The days of CUSA being on a national network on Saturdays are over. If we want national exposure, we are going to have to bite the bullet and play on weeknights IF IF IF ESPN would even be interested because their inventory is full (SunBelt and MAC) for those slots.

The money has to be good enough to offset the tickets you don't sell, because you will never get a full stadium (or even half full) on week nights.

Agree, but many teams don’t get that on Saturday, so we should at least make money and get exposure for it. Lol

Playing a steady schedule of midweek games are will do long term damage for a small short term gain. The exposure is not that great

Tell that to the MAC.