Yea if he played teams that were good outside of CUSA defense he would be injured already. I remember Davenport being double teamed and just destroying him. Stockstill is best QB in the league, you can't lose to ODU, barely beat UTSA, UTEP, and be the best. I'd say hes the most entertaining, not best. Because he has no future in NFL. Sorry and I really like him but the best qb can't be a QB not going or having a chance at the NFL.

Although Stockstill is listed as 6'0"; he's been sacked so many times in the last 4 years that he's lookin' to be about 5'10". He's still my Offensive MVP no matter what happens in the CCG. I don't think "anybody playing QB in college ball today" has been injured as badly over an extended time and also played as well over an extended period of time as Brent. This excludes from consideration QBs like Milton at UCF (and others suffering career ending injuries).

Yea I watched him and have been , he's better and will be loooked at by NFL

He's rated 13 out of all QBs for draft

(11-26-2018 11:18 AM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Yea if he played teams that were good outside of CUSA defense he would be injured already. I remember Davenport being double teamed and just destroying him. Stockstill is best QB in the league, you can't lose to ODU, barely beat UTSA, UTEP, and be the best. I'd say hes the most entertaining, not best. Because he has no future in NFL. Sorry and I really like him but the best qb can't be a QB not going or having a chance at the NFL.

Brent doesn't have a chance. And I don't think Morgan does either though his NFL-preferred intangibles are better than the other two.

Brent has been too beat up. He never fully regained his arm strength after the Syracuse injury (which cracked his sternum and dislocated his collarbone in his throwing side).

He's just a crafty lefty now who will probably play his final game of football in the bowl game.

(11-26-2018 11:22 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 11:18 AM)Lizard Breath Wrote:  Yea if he played teams that were good outside of CUSA defense he would be injured already. I remember Davenport being double teamed and just destroying him. Stockstill is best QB in the league, you can't lose to ODU, barely beat UTSA, UTEP, and be the best. I'd say hes the most entertaining, not best. Because he has no future in NFL. Sorry and I really like him but the best qb can't be a QB not going or having a chance at the NFL.

Brent doesn't have a chance. And I don't think Morgan does either though his NFL-preferred intangibles are better than the other two.

Brent has been too beat up. He never fully regained his arm strength after the Syracuse injury (which cracked his sternum and dislocated his collarbone in his throwing side).

He's just a crafty lefty now who will probably play his final game of football in the bowl game.

I think Brent will get a "look" just due to contacts that he and his dad have. Maybe practice squad for a while.

I believe Brent will eventually be coaching college ball somewhere next year.

That could be but he's the most complete QB I've seen. He ranked at least 13 by scouts out of 115 QBs. We also have a LB Tauaefa that might leave because he's lookin to go in the 3-4 round.

Mason Fine is not rated because he has no chance , he's listed 999 out of 115. But fun to watch and a tough ass kid

How in the world are you guys having this conversation without even a mention of LaRussa, who is the second ranked QB in the conference and hardly played in the first three games for ODU. Gross oversight in my ever so humble opinion.

(11-26-2018 11:36 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  How in the world are you guys having this conversation without even a mention of LaRussa, who is the second ranked QB in the conference and hardly played in the first three games for ODU. Gross oversight in my ever so humble opinion.

The fact that you even have to ask that question shows he doesn't belong in the conversation.

Which part of the conversation should he belong to?

MVP Discussion? Come on! Again wins define the QB just as much as stats do.

Pro Potential? He's just another super midget like Fine.

Or were you just talking stats? His less than 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio in a league where the top guys are 4-to-1 eliminates him right off the bat.

Larussa doesn't belong in any of these. But he is a good story.

(11-26-2018 09:55 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  FIU and UNT have better receivers and better OL - yet neither were able to win the division. That's what those stats show. Brent sacked more than the other two. You left off completion percentage conveniently. And the fact that Brent has a better TD to INT ratio in conference only games. Not sure how anything you placed there shows Morgan and Fine stand out from the other. The only stat that really stands out among the others is Fine's total passing yards. But he has thrown more than 100 more passes than Morgan and nearly 100 more than Brent.

Five of Brent's six interception were dropped/tipped passes by his own receivers. He should have one on the season.

Brent played against UGA, Kentucky, and Vandy in non-conf. Fine's three toughest were Arkansas, SMU, and Liberty. Morgan's were Miami, Indiana, and Umass. Big difference here.

Brent missed almost all of the FIU game.

Brent led his team to the east championship and an undefeated record of 7-0 in games in which he finished. Fine lost to the worst team in the east with a weak performance and Morgan had a chance to not only seal the MVP and send his team to the championship game but he laid an egg too. These are the factors that I believe will matter. Take it or leave it. Makes no matter to me. We'll find out soon enough.

Bc completion percentage is almost meaningless to me......yards per attempt is a much better measure. for example ..7 of 10 for 70 yards isn't better than 6 of 10 for 80 yards.

Yeah, LaRussa is not top 3 for sure.

Neither Fine nor Stockstill will play a down in the NFL and Morgan will most likely not either. Stockstill is a craft college QB that throws short passes due to his lack of arm strength (im not dissing him, if thats what works..) Like in our game, he just threw screen after screen (maybe 2-3 passes completed down the field). You aren't going to get away with that in the NFL.

I wouldn't judge by wins. MTSU had the 2nd best defense in the East.

Stockstill has an outstanding legacy at MTSU and he's been a very good QB. He's not the best QB in the conference and doesn't deserve the MVP vote.

I would venture to guess most teams would take Fine if they could choose 1 college QB to start a game with.

(11-26-2018 12:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 09:55 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  FIU and UNT have better receivers and better OL - yet neither were able to win the division. That's what those stats show. Brent sacked more than the other two. You left off completion percentage conveniently. And the fact that Brent has a better TD to INT ratio in conference only games. Not sure how anything you placed there shows Morgan and Fine stand out from the other. The only stat that really stands out among the others is Fine's total passing yards. But he has thrown more than 100 more passes than Morgan and nearly 100 more than Brent.

Five of Brent's six interception were dropped/tipped passes by his own receivers. He should have one on the season.

Brent played against UGA, Kentucky, and Vandy in non-conf. Fine's three toughest were Arkansas, SMU, and Liberty. Morgan's were Miami, Indiana, and Umass. Big difference here.

Brent missed almost all of the FIU game.

Brent led his team to the east championship and an undefeated record of 7-0 in games in which he finished. Fine lost to the worst team in the east with a weak performance and Morgan had a chance to not only seal the MVP and send his team to the championship game but he laid an egg too. These are the factors that I believe will matter. Take it or leave it. Makes no matter to me. We'll find out soon enough.

Bc completion percentage is almost meaningless to me......yards per attempt is a much better measure. for example ..7 of 10 for 70 yards isn't better than 6 of 10 for 80 yards.

That's living in a vacuum for which football games are not played.

What if that seventh completion in example 1 got a first down inside the five yard that was then punched in for a TD by the running back or maybe even the 7th was a TD pass itself. And on the other side the fourth incompletion with the second example came on 3rd down that stalled a drive that resulted in a FG attempt. So, am I to believe you would rather have three points instead of seven? Or maybe even a missed FG instead of a TD?? Because Brent leads the highest scoring offense in league play.

It's ludicrous to look at stats in such a myopic point of view.

(11-26-2018 12:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Yeah, LaRussa is not top 3 for sure.

Neither Fine nor Stockstill will play a down in the NFL and Morgan will most likely not either. Stockstill is a craft college QB that throws short passes due to his lack of arm strength (im not dissing him, if thats what works..) Like in our game, he just threw screen after screen (maybe 2-3 passes completed down the field). You aren't going to get away with that in the NFL.

I wouldn't judge by wins. MTSU had the 2nd best defense in the East.

Stockstill has an outstanding legacy at MTSU and he's been a very good QB. He's not the best QB in the conference and doesn't deserve the MVP vote.

I would venture to guess most teams would take Fine if they could choose 1 college QB to start a game with.

I'm not saying that Stockstill should or will be the MVP. But without Stockstill we are probably 25 points worse per game.

That sounds like an MVP to me.

(11-26-2018 12:38 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 12:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 09:55 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  FIU and UNT have better receivers and better OL - yet neither were able to win the division. That's what those stats show. Brent sacked more than the other two. You left off completion percentage conveniently. And the fact that Brent has a better TD to INT ratio in conference only games. Not sure how anything you placed there shows Morgan and Fine stand out from the other. The only stat that really stands out among the others is Fine's total passing yards. But he has thrown more than 100 more passes than Morgan and nearly 100 more than Brent.

Five of Brent's six interception were dropped/tipped passes by his own receivers. He should have one on the season.

Brent played against UGA, Kentucky, and Vandy in non-conf. Fine's three toughest were Arkansas, SMU, and Liberty. Morgan's were Miami, Indiana, and Umass. Big difference here.

Brent missed almost all of the FIU game.

Brent led his team to the east championship and an undefeated record of 7-0 in games in which he finished. Fine lost to the worst team in the east with a weak performance and Morgan had a chance to not only seal the MVP and send his team to the championship game but he laid an egg too. These are the factors that I believe will matter. Take it or leave it. Makes no matter to me. We'll find out soon enough.

Bc completion percentage is almost meaningless to me......yards per attempt is a much better measure. for example ..7 of 10 for 70 yards isn't better than 6 of 10 for 80 yards.

That's living in a vacuum for which football games are not played.

What if that seventh completion in example 1 got a first down inside the five yard that was then punched in for a TD by the running back or maybe even the 7th was a TD pass itself. And on the other side the fourth incompletion with the second example came on 3rd down that stalled a drive that resulted in a FG attempt. So, am I to believe you would rather have three points instead of seven? Or maybe even a missed FG instead of a TD?? Because Brent leads the highest scoring offense in league play.

It's ludicrous to look at stats in such a myopic point of view.

There is always small sample silliness that you can point out. Fact of the matter is the QB that gets more yards per attempt is going to be the better QB over the course of a season.

Just to support this even further, advanced metrics (SA&P) had North Texas with the 45th best passing offense. FIU had the 71st. ODU-64. Middle Tennessee 69. This accounts for "successful plays" like drive extenders or drive enders. Also accounts for strength of schedule, field position advantages, and puts less stock in garbage time plays.

(11-26-2018 12:40 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 12:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Yeah, LaRussa is not top 3 for sure.

Neither Fine nor Stockstill will play a down in the NFL and Morgan will most likely not either. Stockstill is a craft college QB that throws short passes due to his lack of arm strength (im not dissing him, if thats what works..) Like in our game, he just threw screen after screen (maybe 2-3 passes completed down the field). You aren't going to get away with that in the NFL.

I wouldn't judge by wins. MTSU had the 2nd best defense in the East.

Stockstill has an outstanding legacy at MTSU and he's been a very good QB. He's not the best QB in the conference and doesn't deserve the MVP vote.

I would venture to guess most teams would take Fine if they could choose 1 college QB to start a game with.

I'm not saying that Stockstill should or will be the MVP. But without Stockstill we are probably 25 points worse per game.

That sounds like an MVP to me.

If you would average 4.5 points per game with your backup QB, you guys need to put a priority on finding a good backup.

(11-26-2018 12:37 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Stockstill is a craft college QB that throws short passes due to his lack of arm strength (im not dissing him, if thats what works..)

This is true. He had a bigger arm as a freshman and sophomore. But that injury really did hurt his arm strength. Of course, he has played the last two years in Franklin's system which is obviously is not a vertical attack, so he has to play within what the coaching allows. Though he doesn't have the arm strength he once did he can still get it down the field.

Watch the UAB highlights. There may not be a better passer in all of college football that throws the back shoulder route as good as he does. Of course a lot of that is out of necessity because our damn receivers can't get behind anyone.