Marshall is 4-1 after being drubbed by unbeaten Maryland on Friday night, 104-67. Jon Elmore was held to 6 points. Let's hope they still have a hangover and there is no homecourt rebound. They handled Hofstra at home earlier, 76-72, with Elmore going for 30. Need a strong defensive game from Chase. They are guard-centric, and were picked #2 preseason in CUSA. Hopefully, both, Justin and Paul, are improved with their game shape, and Matt is a little more mobile.

I could find no video access to the game. Stadium appears to only be broadcasting it locally, as it's not listed on their online schedule, nor on their Roku channel. Pretty poor in today's age.

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I'm also searching for a video link if anyone finds one.

I think this will be a very tough road game. NCAA squad last year, at home, with revenge in mind after getting bombed out by Connor in Williamsburg last season.

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This may be the best bet:

http://conferenceusa.com/watch/default.a...h=marshall

This will be a tough matchup, but potentially a good matchup if our shots are falling. They shoot a good bit but aren't particularly good defensively. Open shots will be there. They are effective scorers, especially from the guard spots. As a team they are averaging around a point per possession, so hopefully that 2nd half against St Joe's defense shows up or we need to match shot for shot.

It, also, looks like all of their previous home games this year have popped up on ESPN+, and some of their games may be live streamed on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/MarshallBasketball/

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St. Joe's was the first team I've seen us play this year who did not do a good job of getting back on defense, consequently, giving us more opportunities to push the ball. I hope Marshall is another one, and if so, that we take advantage.

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Marshall looked good the first 10 minutes against Maryland, then it got ugly fast. If Marshall's 6'9" 350lb rfr center is forced to guard Nathan outside the post, Nathan should have a field day. We've got to guard the arc.
https://youtu.be/wrPgzTycxE4

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(11-26-2018 12:51 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Marshall looked good the first 10 minutes against Maryland, then it got ugly fast. If Marshall's 6'9" 350lb rfr center is forced to guard Nathan outside the post, Nathan should have a field day. We've got to guard the arc.
https://youtu.be/wrPgzTycxE4

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Dang, you weren't exaggerating.

https://herdzone.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4644

I can't tell if he has lost or gained weight since college. He doesn't look as fat now, but I think his weight is listed as higher than high school. I know muscle weighs more than fat yada yada, but how you wouldn't have him on a weight loss program beats me.

High school highlights of him listed at 335lbs.
https://youtu.be/kf1MZpItGIs

Have heard lots of speculation on what W&M's rotation should be. Tony's allocation of playing time will be a challenge, which is a great problem to have. Having attended all 3 Tribe home games, I clearly saw a higher energy level and more intensity with Owens & Audige both on the floor down the stretch against St Joe's. As I've mentioned before, I like the idea of Owens playing the point, which ensures another scorer on the floor. As I have mentioned before, Marcus Thornton played the point his jr & sr years. And yeah, Scott has impressed at PG, but he lacks the athleticism, defensive intensity and scoring punch of Owens. With Owens at the point, you could have this kind of rotation:

PG - Owens (then Scott, then Lowe)
G - Audige (then Williams)
G - Milon (then Rowley)
G/PF - Pierce (then Rowley, then Blair)
Post - Knight (then Harvey, then Blair)

Pete24, you and I are on the same page. That's the lineup that wins for us.

I don't think there should be a set rotation. Use the start of the game to figure out who's hot and ride them. We're not that different from the top to the bottom, despite the last game. We've certainly seen all of the freshmen look like freshmen rather than the future of Tribe basketball. On those nights, we have to play the vets. Personally, I'd rather see Blair get more time at forward than Paul. No knock on Paul, but he's one dimensional. Blair gets to the boards better and defends better. I wouldn't mind seeing Paul getting some extra time at the 3, though.

We have four weeks to go before Shaver would like to have his rotation set and about eight weeks before he really needs to do so we have plenty of time.

I have only been able to see two games so while there is a rotation I am hoping will develop I really don't have enough data yet.

The comment above about going with the hot hand will rule the day - that is the advantage of a deep bench.

However, there is one point on which I am very old school ...

The PG, and there should be one, must be a pass first, shoot second player. One a good night the other four positions, given the way the roster is looking now, will be offensive threats. The key will be getting the ball to the right player at the right time. Knight must have his opportunities down low. While Pierce can create his own shots, we are better off if he gets the ball in scoring position rather than driving from the top of the key. (This was Prewitt's problem in 2016). Milon and Rowley should both be extremely effective spot-up shooters from outside. Owens can create his own shot.

If you move Owens to PG, he is no longer a score first player. I would prefer that when he gets the ball, his first look is at the basket because he is a dynamic scorer. At PG, he will mostly be handling the ball NOT in scoring position and he will have to develop a "conscience" (is the team better off if I pass?), which will hold him back. It has been discussed earlier that Thornton played PG while being our top scorer. As Mr. Joolius pointed out, this held Thornton back and there were some end of game situations (Delaware in the CAA Finals?) where it hurt us.

Loewe and (especially) Scott are very early in their careers. I still see potential in them at PG. Remember our big move on Saturday was made with Scott on the floor. Shutting them down to win an OOC game this year makes no sense to me. Remember we don't seem to be bringing another PG next year which means our next opportunity for another PG is 2020.

I expect to see Scott or Loewe on the floor at almost all times this year.

Is Thunders attending the game?

I don’t think the pass first point guard exists any longer in modern basketball. Same thing with the post up center. We are in an era of scoring guards, wings, and stretch fours. Given that, I want the best five players on the court who can run the offense, play defense, and win games. Shaver has always had a three guard and two forward model. It doesn’t matter who starts the offense or bring the ball up the court.


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The pass 1st guard may be an endangered species, but you will find no shortage of D1 coaches that would kill for one. Especially on a team such as ours where there are so many good shooters, but so few that can create on their own. I don't care if Loewe or Scott go scoreless. If either is able to approach double digit assists while keeping TO ratio in the positive range, we will win a lot of games. Especially if this better defense turns into a trend and not a one half blip.

David was far more effective when he became a legit scoring threat his senior year. Thornton hit several killer shots during the second half rally against St. Joe's. They were important buckets because they were there to take and he didn't bypass them. It's what makes Pusica so good because he will pass first, but back off him and he'll make you pay.

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I agree with the pass first PG. Tony's offense just works better when you have a specific player who can focus on distributing the ball and being a floor marshal rather than scoring. A large reason the offense set records last season is because of the PG play from Cohn. No one is expecting that kind of production this year but it's still the more effective way to run the offense.

Since the start of the season, Justin has been unable to finish an explosion drive down the right side of the lane on multiple occasions. Have to believe his wrist strength is still not back to norm, since it looks like he mentally knows he can make the play, but the shots fall short upon release. When he gets back that physical ability to finish, look out!

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Okay, which teams? I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I'm looking for answers. It seems like we've played against a lot of shoot first teams this year and when I watch the big name teams in D1 I don't see a lot of John Stockton types.

(11-27-2018 06:07 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  The pass 1st guard may be an endangered species, but you will find no shortage of D1 coaches that would kill for one. Especially on a team such as ours where there are so many good shooters, but so few that can create on their own. I don't care if Loewe or Scott go scoreless. If either is able to approach double digit assists while keeping TO ratio in the positive range, we will win a lot of games. Especially if this better defense turns into a trend and not a one half blip.