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NCAA NET Ratings
So the Net ratings get posted later today.....

What it looks like to me from the poster they have.......
Team Value Index- sounds a lot like the old RPI- 50%
Net Efficency- 25%
Actual Winning Percentage/adjusted winning percentage/Margin of victory(capped at 10 points, OT games at 1 point)- 25%
11-26-2018 10:10 AM
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RE: NCAA NET Ratings
Top 20 so far:
1. Ohio State
2. Virginia
3. Texas Tech
4. Michigan
5. Gonzaga
6. Duke
7. Michigan St.
8. Wisconsin
9. Virginia Tech
10. Loyola Marymount
11. Kansas
12. Belmont
13. Nevada
14. Nebraska
15. Iowa
16. Auburn
17. Maryland
18. Houston
19. Notre Dame
20. Purdue
11-26-2018 12:28 PM
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RE: NCAA NET Ratings
There will be a ton of change, especially to the mid-majors, in the coming weeks.
11-26-2018 01:47 PM
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RE: NCAA NET Ratings
(11-26-2018 01:47 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  There will be a ton of change, especially to the mid-majors, in the coming weeks.

Yes. But you can see the impact of MOV with 2 teams...

St John's- 5-0 so far with a pretty decent schedule in terms of who they've played and how they've done. But wins of 4 and 3 and then an OT/1 point win- and they're only #29......
Furman- 4-0 so far with wins over Loyola and Villanova. But wins of only 2, 2 OT wins, and then a 14 point win- so capped at 10- and they have only a +14 MOV or 3.5 points per game. They're #48 right now.
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RE: NCAA NET Ratings
from Jerry Palm...
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...-a-secret/

Sounds like while politically correct 10 point cap for MOV- in the net efficency component- there is no cap.... So basically MOV is now #2 on the list...
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RE: NCAA NET Ratings
Quote:However, the thing that is missing from the what the NCAA revealed with the release of the NET ratings is any of the supporting data that goes into the rankings. All we are being given for now is each team's overall record and breakdown by home/road/neutral/non-Division I. That's it. There is not one piece of useful information on the rankings page except the ranking itself.

That’s the big takeaway.
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RE: NCAA NET Ratings
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...-questions

Quote:Among the head-scratchers in the initial rankings released three weeks into the 2018-19 season: Kentucky is ranked 61st. The Wildcats have one, 34-point neutral site loss to Duke, the Associated Press poll's No. 1 team last week.

Ohio State, which has wins against four sub-200 squads in KenPom.com's rankings, is No. 1 in the NET ratings.

Loyola Marymount, a team with a 7-0 record, started its season with a victory over Westcliff University, an unaffiliated school. Yet the Lions (10th) are ranked one spot ahead of Kansas, which has neutral-site wins over Michigan State and Tennessee, both top-10 teams in the latest AP poll.
Quote:And the NET's efficiency rankings, unlike KenPom.com and other analytics sites, don't account for the quality of the opponent. So a team that records a net efficiency of 0.5 points per possession against Michigan gets the same credit for a team that records that mark against Central Michigan.
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RE: NCAA NET Ratings
so why should we be impressed with Kentucky? They got drubbed by Duke- and have wins over Southern Illinois, North Dakota, VMI, Winthrop, and Tennessee St- all at home.
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(11-26-2018 04:57 PM)stever20 Wrote:  so why should we be impressed with Kentucky? They got drubbed by Duke- and have wins over Southern Illinois, North Dakota, VMI, Winthrop, and Tennessee St- all at home.

Valid point

Tennessee State has zero D1 wins, North Dakota and Winthrop have ONE D1 win, VMI has 2, , SIU is the cream of the crop with 3, including Tulsa.
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You know one thing that's kind of funny and something to think about...

how do schools like #10 Loyola Marymount, #12 Belmont, #22 Radford, #25 San Francisco, #26 Ga Southern, etc. handle being so visably highly ranked? How many times do we see in the CFP ratings- right after 1st release, we see some major upsets with teams not able to handle that?
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RE: NCAA NET Ratings
so one of the things I was really interested in was how opponent games impacted team games....

Had a pretty easy situation to see last night....
Creighton was #36 going into last night. They had played Clemson- #51
Seton Hall was #85 going into last night. They had played Nebraska- #14

Nebraska/Clemson played last night. Nebraska won by 2. Nebraska moved up to #9 and Clemson fell to #60

Creighton's rating dropped by 5 spots 36 to 41
Seton Hall's rating improved by 11 spots 85 to 74

None of Creighton's or Seton Hall's opponents played otherwise yesterday....
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I wonder what the NET rankings would look like if applied to last year's results. This sample size is simply too small, but anticipate it becoming more reliable as the season goes on.
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(11-27-2018 02:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  so one of the things I was really interested in was how opponent games impacted team games....

Had a pretty easy situation to see last night....
Creighton was #36 going into last night. They had played Clemson- #51
Seton Hall was #85 going into last night. They had played Nebraska- #14

Nebraska/Clemson played last night. Nebraska won by 2. Nebraska moved up to #9 and Clemson fell to #60

Creighton's rating dropped by 5 spots 36 to 41
Seton Hall's rating improved by 11 spots 85 to 74

None of Creighton's or Seton Hall's opponents played otherwise yesterday....

That's ridiculous. Seton Hall got blown out by Nebraska (23 points). They shouldn't move up 11 spots just because Nebraska moved up 5 spots.

That might be reasonable if we were 3 games in, or if Seton Hall hadn't played any other quality opponents. But Seton Hall is 4-2 and has played Miami (5-1), SLU (5-1), Hawai'i (4-3), and Grand Canyon (4-3).
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RE: NCAA NET Ratings
(11-27-2018 03:29 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(11-27-2018 02:14 PM)stever20 Wrote:  so one of the things I was really interested in was how opponent games impacted team games....

Had a pretty easy situation to see last night....
Creighton was #36 going into last night. They had played Clemson- #51
Seton Hall was #85 going into last night. They had played Nebraska- #14

Nebraska/Clemson played last night. Nebraska won by 2. Nebraska moved up to #9 and Clemson fell to #60

Creighton's rating dropped by 5 spots 36 to 41
Seton Hall's rating improved by 11 spots 85 to 74

None of Creighton's or Seton Hall's opponents played otherwise yesterday....

That's ridiculous. Seton Hall got blown out by Nebraska (23 points). They shouldn't move up 11 spots just because Nebraska moved up 5 spots.

That might be reasonable if we were 3 games in, or if Seton Hall hadn't played any other quality opponents. But Seton Hall is 4-2 and has played Miami (5-1), SLU (5-1), Hawai'i (4-3), and Grand Canyon (4-3).

I'd guess some of it is how close teams get bunched up at times. Where a small uptick could be a big leap in rating....

But also- given that Seton Hall has only played 6 games, having 1/6 of your schedule going up by 5 spots would make a difference...
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I think it is very interesting that an overwhelming majority of media reporters and basketball data writers are vehemently opposed to this new metric, especially considering that the NCAA chose not to release the NET ratings for last years teams.
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RE: NCAA NET Ratings
I would note, in RPI- Seton Hall went up 9 spots last night while Creighton dropped 3 spots....

Right now in RPI- your opponents record- which counts 50% of the RPI- only has for Seton Hall for instance 30 games. So that went up last night just on the 1 win from 21-9 to 22-9. Doesn't sound like much. But that's .700 to .710. That's a .005 jump in RPI, which is HUGE at this time of the year.
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(11-27-2018 03:39 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I think it is very interesting that an overwhelming majority of media reporters and basketball data writers are vehemently opposed to this new metric, especially considering that the NCAA chose not to release the NET ratings for last years teams.

And they are the dumb asses who repeatedly cling on Kentucky being #61 as proof the system is bad.

Also, these are the folks that want the selection process to 100% be analytics...... Where your record and your SOS is totally meaningless....
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(11-27-2018 03:39 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I think it is very interesting that an overwhelming majority of media reporters and basketball data writers are vehemently opposed to this new metric, especially considering that the NCAA chose not to release the NET ratings for last years teams.

If metric-makers aren’t confident enough to release their own formula, to me a rating holds no value.
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Trust me, Gasaway is just pissed they didn't go far enough in the changes.....
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RE: NCAA NET Ratings
(11-27-2018 03:39 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I think it is very interesting that an overwhelming majority of media reporters and basketball data writers are vehemently opposed to this new metric, especially considering that the NCAA chose not to release the NET ratings for last years teams.

This is the issue -- NET won't have credibility if its rankings continue to look goofy when compared to the consensus of who the best teams really are.

It would have been good to plug last year's data into their system, because then we'd see how it looks over an entire season as compared to how polls, RPI, KenPom, etc. ranked the entire season.
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