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Wilder said he'll take a long look at all those available in order to (over time I presume) make the proper choice for a new DC.

Meanwhile UNC fired its HC Saturday night and had its new coach Monday morning.

They had his number

Found it interesting he fired 2 Strength and Conditioning coaches. How many times have I and others questioned our strength and conditioning ? Also his comment about some changes had to be made when coaches had lost the players....There has to be something more here.

(11-26-2018 09:31 PM)Grommet Wrote:  Wilder said he'll take a long look at all those available in order to (over time I presume) make the proper choice for a new DC.

Meanwhile UNC fired its HC Saturday night and had its new coach Monday morning.

UNC rushed to hire a coach who has been a spectator for the last 5 years after he averaged 7.5 wins with top 15 classes in his last four years at the richest athletic department in the most fertile recruiting ground. Perhaps a little patience would have been better for them.

(11-26-2018 10:20 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 09:31 PM)Grommet Wrote:  Wilder said he'll take a long look at all those available in order to (over time I presume) make the proper choice for a new DC.

Meanwhile UNC fired its HC Saturday night and had its new coach Monday morning.

UNC rushed to hire a coach who has been a spectator for the last 5 years after he averaged 7.5 wins with top 15 classes in his last four years at the richest athletic department in the most fertile recruiting ground. Perhaps a little patience would have been better for them.

Great chance this ends up being a dumb hire, but they are just trying to relive the magic of his previous stint there.

Obviously zero reason to hire him a day later. No one was beating down Macks door.

(11-26-2018 09:20 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 01:55 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  24/7 Sports FBS Recruting Team National Ranking

2018 - #128
2017 - #124
2016 - #120
2015 - #110
2014 - #77
2013 - #122

You don't have to look far to find the problem.

You can find an unrated player like TH every once in a while, but you can't build your program with "under the radar" kids that get little to no attention.

Also, because Dr. Selig likes to hype up ODU's athletic facilities, the score for in-state IPF's is Virginia FBS rivals 3, ODU 0.

It's my guess that every commit was warned about these dismissals ahead of time to insure they know that ODU is committed to them.

The funny thing (and what makes these rankings meaningless) is that 247 doesn't even watch a lot of the <4 star players. I wouldn't get too hyped (this class) or too disappointed until we see how it shakes out.

Just recently, 24/7 along with CBS Sports, acquired Scout.com. I don't think they're meaningless at all. I'm sure Coach Wilder visits the site frequently.

If you look at these rankings, they pretty much mirror reality. You see Alabama at the top and UTEP at the bottom.The best teams recruit the best players and the ones that don't stay home for the holidays.

(11-27-2018 01:05 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 09:20 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 01:55 AM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  24/7 Sports FBS Recruting Team National Ranking

2018 - #128
2017 - #124
2016 - #120
2015 - #110
2014 - #77
2013 - #122

You don't have to look far to find the problem.

You can find an unrated player like TH every once in a while, but you can't build your program with "under the radar" kids that get little to no attention.

Also, because Dr. Selig likes to hype up ODU's athletic facilities, the score for in-state IPF's is Virginia FBS rivals 3, ODU 0.

It's my guess that every commit was warned about these dismissals ahead of time to insure they know that ODU is committed to them.

The funny thing (and what makes these rankings meaningless) is that 247 doesn't even watch a lot of the <4 star players. I wouldn't get too hyped (this class) or too disappointed until we see how it shakes out.

Just recently, 24/7 along with CBS Sports, acquired Scout.com. I don't think they're meaningless at all. I'm sure Coach Wilder visits the site frequently.

If you look at these rankings, they pretty much mirror reality. You see Alabama at the top and UTEP at the bottom.The best teams recruit the best players and the ones that don't stay home for the holidays.

A player that signs with Bama gets a boost in rankings

(11-26-2018 06:09 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Will be interesting, he essentially named wanting JUCO help for every position but RB and WR/TE, lol..

What does that tell you? Does anybody truly understand how bad our roster is going to be next year?

Yeah, I think we get it.

(11-26-2018 10:20 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 09:31 PM)Grommet Wrote:  Wilder said he'll take a long look at all those available in order to (over time I presume) make the proper choice for a new DC.

Meanwhile UNC fired its HC Saturday night and had its new coach Monday morning.

UNC rushed to hire a coach who has been a spectator for the last 5 years after he averaged 7.5 wins with top 15 classes in his last four years at the richest athletic department in the most fertile recruiting ground. Perhaps a little patience would have been better for them.

I agree it was probably a bad hire, but holding anyone's performance as a coach at Texas against them is not wise. That program has bigger issues. Just look at what Rick Barnes is doing now that he got out of that mess.

That said, Mack Brown is old, and his style is outdated. I would be surprised if he is highly successful at UNC. Maybe they were just looking for a stabilizer for a few years so they can get back to respectability then go out and get someone to take it up a notch.

I get the UNC hate, but c'mon.

1 This was anything but rushed. This was set up in advance. Just waited until after their final game. Nostalgic? Maybe. But he'll do better than 2-10 or whatever the he'll they are.

2a 7.5 wins/yr seems low at Texas, but I'll take your word. All I have committed to memory is his last 3, 8-4(x2) and 7-5. All of which came after he won the Natty.

2b The circle jerk here if we had any of 2a would be tremendous indeed.

3 It's a bridge to repair damage done by Fedora both on the recruiting trail and in the media. Plus he's liked by the donors who are footing the bill for the buyout. Mack Brown will likely be the next AD, and there may be a HCIW.

4 I'd be thrilled if we had the wherewithal to line up our next hire prior to letting our current coaches go, provided they are the right guy at the right time like this. Instead we'll end up with Idaho's GA as our DC bc he'll be the last guy available. WHICH WAS THE POINT OF MY POST BC IT RELATED TO ODU.

How do we know the next hire isn't lined up? There are still football teams playing this week. It would be easy to hire one the next day if the coach was not working as a coach (Brown).

(11-27-2018 12:57 PM)Grommet Wrote:  2a 7.5 wins/yr seems low at Texas, but I'll take your word. All I have committed to memory is his last 3, 8-4(x2) and 7-5. All of which came after he won the Natty.

2b The circle jerk here if we had any of 2a would be tremendous indeed.

If we had Texas' resources, averaging 7.5 wins would be a major disappointment.

I'll give you that Mack deserves a ton of credit for helping elevate Texas and winning big there with VY. But it's 2019. And if you have watched his work on ESPN and pull for UNC, you gotta hope he's a figure head coach mostly and lets his coordinators do the heavy lifting.

(11-27-2018 01:44 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 12:57 PM)Grommet Wrote:  2a 7.5 wins/yr seems low at Texas, but I'll take your word. All I have committed to memory is his last 3, 8-4(x2) and 7-5. All of which came after he won the Natty.

2b The circle jerk here if we had any of 2a would be tremendous indeed.

If we had Texas' resources, averaging 7.5 wins would be a major disappointment.

I'll give you that Mack deserves a ton of credit for helping elevate Texas and winning big there with VY. But it's 2019. And if you have watched his work on ESPN and pull for UNC, you gotta hope he's a figure head coach mostly and lets his coordinators do the heavy lifting.

With the names I'm hearing for OC and DC, thats exactly what it appears will happen.

Does anyone know the salary or past salary for our DC? I've often wondered if budget is an issue for us with coaches salaries. I'd love to know how our DC salary compares to others in the conference.

This gives you an idea of what assistants make all over the country:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries.../assistant

170ish

(11-27-2018 03:01 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  170ish

Probably have to pay Lambert $250,000 - $300,000

(11-27-2018 03:11 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 03:01 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  170ish

Probably have to pay Lambert $250,000 - $300,000

Maybe not, he walked away from Charlotte with a $515k buyout.

(11-26-2018 09:31 PM)Grommet Wrote:  Wilder said he'll take a long look at all those available in order to (over time I presume) make the proper choice for a new DC.

Meanwhile UNC fired its HC Saturday night and had its new coach Monday morning.

This is an excellent hire, for the program in it's entirety.
Behold, all of the UNC scandals, including the football players selling their shoes.
Fedora saying that concussion protocols were symptomatic of the decline in today's society.
The endzone fiasco with NC State in which he emulated a Holocaust denier by refusing to acknowledge that it happened.
Fedora was a liability above and beyond.

The contrast between Brown and Fedora could not be more glaring.
Mack Brown is clean and has won big in his career.
Mack is a former UNC coach "come home".
Mack' reputation and smooth confident demeanor will appeal to old and young donors alike.
Mack Brown will not hurt recruiting.
Mack Brown will not be erratic.
Mack Brown will not likely incur the scrutiny of the NCAA.


The real issue is this. Mack is old(er) school whose methods likely cannot win in today's game. That was already becoming apparent while he was still at Texas.
IF, he can get by his ego (and I have no idea if he has a big one or not), then he will hire assistants that can win for him.
He will initially have the luxury of the support of the powers-that-be for whatever he wants, and UNC has the resources to make that happen.

This could be win win if Brown hires the best assistants and let's them "have at it"