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(11-30-2018 12:04 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 10:57 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 10:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I wonder why he's not trying the baseball route instead?

Someone asked about Myers a few posts back in high school. I'm pretty sure he was a WR for Dickinson. At least he was in the playoff game I saw him play.

Wouldn’t be surprised if he hit the diamond this spring.

I would. Bragga seems to be a stickler regarding sticking with the team and it's workouts all year. From what I've heard, Andrew Dunlap was interested in doing the same thing he did last year-- working during Fall semester and re-enrolling in the Spring, and it doesn't appear he's going to be welcomed back at Reckling in January. And gawd knows, we need all the offense we can find. Also, the pitching staff is pretty deep this year, much more so than last year (especially with the injuries we had to Moss, Ackers and Esquivel), and Tyner saw very little action last year.

Tyner tweeted earlier and alluded that he was going to play baseball this spring.
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(11-30-2018 12:19 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(11-30-2018 12:04 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 10:57 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 10:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I wonder why he's not trying the baseball route instead?

Someone asked about Myers a few posts back in high school. I'm pretty sure he was a WR for Dickinson. At least he was in the playoff game I saw him play.

Wouldn’t be surprised if he hit the diamond this spring.

I would. Bragga seems to be a stickler regarding sticking with the team and it's workouts all year. From what I've heard, Andrew Dunlap was interested in doing the same thing he did last year-- working during Fall semester and re-enrolling in the Spring, and it doesn't appear he's going to be welcomed back at Reckling in January. And gawd knows, we need all the offense we can find. Also, the pitching staff is pretty deep this year, much more so than last year (especially with the injuries we had to Moss, Ackers and Esquivel), and Tyner saw very little action last year.

Tyner tweeted earlier and alluded that he was going to play baseball this spring.

It's perfect that the baseball coach's name also starts with a B.

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Which got me to realizing, we have

B: Bailiff, Braun, Bragga, Bloomgren
G: Graham, Graham, Greenspan
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(11-29-2018 06:07 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 05:34 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 05:30 PM)07owl Wrote:  Tyner transferring: https://twitter.com/jack_tyner/status/10...9946301445

Not surprising. At least he's graduating first. Smart move!

Best for Tyner and the team.

Good for Tyner! Get your degree and move on. Saw Tyner had clips of spring game on his highlight video. Wonder if new coaches even watched it. If so, it appears they didn't learn anything from it, good or bad, about the offense or defense, what might've work and what needed work.
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Thank you Ant... I love that I've become "mainstream Parliament"....Not for nothing here, but wasn't Esukpa like a Heisman candidate in August? But another middle class transfer.. I hate it when I'm right..
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Walt.... pretty sure Tyner won't have Rice football to interfere with baseball this spring since he will be graduating and moving on. Therefore he should be able to commit his entire spring to baseball.

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(11-30-2018 08:31 AM)NLOWL Wrote:  Walt.... pretty sure Tyner won't have Rice football to interfere with baseball this spring since he will be graduating and moving on. Therefore he should be able to commit his entire spring to baseball.

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Understand, but the same would be true of Andrew Dunlap. And in Tyner's case, one would think he will be focused on: (1) finishing up his academic requirements to ensure he graduates in May, (2) finding a school and program to which to transfer, and (3) staying in football shape, which requires different conditioning than that required for baseball.
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Sure will be interesting to read this board if Tyner is great next year at his new school, especially if we are going through a 3-9 year here at Rice.

I hope he does, just because I want the best for the kid.
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Look for Esukpa to MAYBE end up at BYU where former RB Coach AJ Steward is now coaching.
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(11-30-2018 10:33 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Sure will be interesting to read this board if Tyner is great next year at his new school, especially if we are going through a 3-9 year here at Rice.

I hope he does, just because I want the best for the kid.

no worries here Owl... The Ghost has claimed victory in the ABO, the ABO II, and the PDS.. But, the Ghost will definitely be critical of any further bullsnark in the program as well as a giant cheer leader if the plan works... I just calls em likes I sees em.

That kid will be fine... If this is the worst thing that happens to him in life, he gonna be ok.. And if he does land somewhere and do well, the Ghost promises to only "moderately mention statistics".

As for "needing to stay in football shape"... has anyone looked at him? I think he kinda wakes up in football shape. Baseball ain't gonna hurt it.
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(11-30-2018 02:17 PM)Neelys Ghost Wrote:  
(11-30-2018 10:33 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  Sure will be interesting to read this board if Tyner is great next year at his new school, especially if we are going through a 3-9 year here at Rice.

I hope he does, just because I want the best for the kid.

no worries here Owl... The Ghost has claimed victory in the ABO, the ABO II, and the PDS.. But, the Ghost will definitely be critical of any further bullsnark in the program as well as a giant cheer leader if the plan works... I just calls em likes I sees em.

That kid will be fine... If this is the worst thing that happens to him in life, he gonna be ok.. And if he does land somewhere and do well, the Ghost promises to only "moderately mention statistics".

As for "needing to stay in football shape"... has anyone looked at him? I think he kinda wakes up in football shape. Baseball ain't gonna hurt it.

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If ever there were an example of pigeon chess...
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Thank you.....Another affirmation......






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(11-30-2018 12:04 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 10:57 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 10:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I wonder why he's not trying the baseball route instead?

Someone asked about Myers a few posts back in high school. I'm pretty sure he was a WR for Dickinson. At least he was in the playoff game I saw him play.

Wouldn’t be surprised if he hit the diamond this spring.

I would. Bragga seems to be a stickler regarding sticking with the team and it's workouts all year. From what I've heard, Andrew Dunlap was interested in doing the same thing he did last year-- working during Fall semester and re-enrolling in the Spring, and it doesn't appear he's going to be welcomed back at Reckling in January. And gawd knows, we need all the offense we can find. Also, the pitching staff is pretty deep this year, much more so than last year (especially with the injuries we had to Moss, Ackers and Esquivel), and Tyner saw very little action last year.

My perception is that coach Graham was much more open to dual-sport players early in his career at Rice. It seems to me that they were few and far between the past 10-15 years (without having any data to reference). Does that match your perception?
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(11-30-2018 10:31 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2018 12:04 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 10:57 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 10:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I wonder why he's not trying the baseball route instead?

Someone asked about Myers a few posts back in high school. I'm pretty sure he was a WR for Dickinson. At least he was in the playoff game I saw him play.

Wouldn’t be surprised if he hit the diamond this spring.

I would. Bragga seems to be a stickler regarding sticking with the team and it's workouts all year. From what I've heard, Andrew Dunlap was interested in doing the same thing he did last year-- working during Fall semester and re-enrolling in the Spring, and it doesn't appear he's going to be welcomed back at Reckling in January. And gawd knows, we need all the offense we can find. Also, the pitching staff is pretty deep this year, much more so than last year (especially with the injuries we had to Moss, Ackers and Esquivel), and Tyner saw very little action last year.

My perception is that coach Graham was much more open to dual-sport players early in his career at Rice. It seems to me that they were few and far between the past 10-15 years (without having any data to reference). Does that match your perception?

I think Wayne has always been amenable and open to dual-sport players. It's been the football coach who has, at times, had issues with the arrangement. Wayne gave Tyner a chance last year even after he fulfilled his football commitments through Spring practice. Previously, there was Fuda, who became fulltime baseball after injuries shortened his football career, and Lewis, who never really panned out in either sport. A bit earlier, for our championship campaign, we had track star Jorgenson playing for us.
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RE: Rice v Everyone post-season thread
(12-01-2018 12:16 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-30-2018 10:31 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2018 12:04 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 10:57 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 10:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I wonder why he's not trying the baseball route instead?
Someone asked about Myers a few posts back in high school. I'm pretty sure he was a WR for Dickinson. At least he was in the playoff game I saw him play.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he hit the diamond this spring.
I would. Bragga seems to be a stickler regarding sticking with the team and it's workouts all year. From what I've heard, Andrew Dunlap was interested in doing the same thing he did last year-- working during Fall semester and re-enrolling in the Spring, and it doesn't appear he's going to be welcomed back at Reckling in January. And gawd knows, we need all the offense we can find. Also, the pitching staff is pretty deep this year, much more so than last year (especially with the injuries we had to Moss, Ackers and Esquivel), and Tyner saw very little action last year.
My perception is that coach Graham was much more open to dual-sport players early in his career at Rice. It seems to me that they were few and far between the past 10-15 years (without having any data to reference). Does that match your perception?
I think Wayne has always been amenable and open to dual-sport players. It's been the football coach who has, at times, had issues with the arrangement. Wayne gave Tyner a chance last year even after he fulfilled his football commitments through Spring practice. Previously, there was Fuda, who became fulltime baseball after injuries shortened his football career, and Lewis, who never really panned out in either sport. A bit earlier, for our championship campaign, we had track star Jorgenson playing for us.

I think Wayne was always open. I think it was the football side that was not open. Sounds like Bragga is not open either.

I think that's unfortunate. Maybe that's because I came to Rice at the end of the Neely era, and we had a number of two-sport athletes then--Hugo Hollas, Doug Nicholson, Frankie Mandola, Greg Williams, and Dale Bernauer come quickly to mind, but there were others. Fred Duckett told me that Jess used to release football players to run track, in exchange for Brunson and Augie agreeing to spend time working with football players to improve their speed. That would seem like a reasonable trade, particularly since we could surely use any improvement in speed on all sides of the football.

It seems to me that we have at so many restrictions and disadvantages in recruiting that any advantage we can find would be useful. Particularly with limited numbers, it would seem logical that any way to add numbers in two sports at once would be beneficial. Anybody who is a good enough athlete to play two sports well is at least in some way a better athlete than somebody who can't. I think coaches are by nature control freaks, and they overvalue the utility of having a player in THEIR specific off-season program.

My thought is that we should position ourselves as champions of the multi-sport athlete. I know that there are 4/5-star recruits that could play two or more sports, and would if given the opportunity--you can see them listed by the scouting services. The P5 schools say pick one because their coaches are control freaks, and the athletes do because they have no choice. I truly believe that we could swipe one or two a year away from the big boys if we not only agreed to let them play both sports, but actively encouraged it. Coaches tell us over and over that recruiting is 2/3, 3/4, whatever, of the game. My experience coaching is that I became a much better coach overnight when we had an all-American show up. I don't believe there is any substitute for talent, and any edge we can get talent-wise could more than offset having somebody in your off-season program.

You tell me, would you rather have Bo Jackson and let him play both football and baseball, or some football-only 2/3-star who would participate in football year round? OK, I freely admit that's an extreme, once-in-a-lifetime (if that often) case, and I have doubts whether we could have even gotten Bo admitted into Rice. But it's not an impossible one.
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I think the declining number of multi-sport high school athletes has something to do with this. Not only do the kids/parents specialize by paying for private coaching and camps, but in Texas, the UIL encourages it by having the seasons overlap. For example, at the 6A level, it’s almost impossible to play football and basketball as hoops season starts in early November just as the high school football regular season is ending/playoffs beginning.
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(12-01-2018 08:49 AM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  I think the declining number of multi-sport high school athletes has something to do with this. Not only do the kids/parents specialize by paying for private coaching and camps, but in Texas, the UIL encourages it by having the seasons overlap. For example, at the 6A level, it’s almost impossible to play football and basketball as hoops season starts in early November just as the high school football regular season is ending/playoffs beginning.

Understand, and they are truly exceptional cases. But that seems to me to be one chance for us to get a possible 4/5-star prospect in any sport. There aren't going to be many, but if we could make ourselves a destination school for at least some of them, I think we would benefit.
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(12-01-2018 12:16 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-30-2018 10:31 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2018 12:04 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 10:57 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 10:50 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  I wonder why he's not trying the baseball route instead?

Someone asked about Myers a few posts back in high school. I'm pretty sure he was a WR for Dickinson. At least he was in the playoff game I saw him play.

Wouldn’t be surprised if he hit the diamond this spring.

I would. Bragga seems to be a stickler regarding sticking with the team and it's workouts all year. From what I've heard, Andrew Dunlap was interested in doing the same thing he did last year-- working during Fall semester and re-enrolling in the Spring, and it doesn't appear he's going to be welcomed back at Reckling in January. And gawd knows, we need all the offense we can find. Also, the pitching staff is pretty deep this year, much more so than last year (especially with the injuries we had to Moss, Ackers and Esquivel), and Tyner saw very little action last year.

My perception is that coach Graham was much more open to dual-sport players early in his career at Rice. It seems to me that they were few and far between the past 10-15 years (without having any data to reference). Does that match your perception?

I think Wayne has always been amenable and open to dual-sport players. It's been the football coach who has, at times, had issues with the arrangement. Wayne gave Tyner a chance last year even after he fulfilled his football commitments through Spring practice. Previously, there was Fuda, who became fulltime baseball after injuries shortened his football career, and Lewis, who never really panned out in either sport. A bit earlier, for our championship campaign, we had track star Jorgenson playing for us.

Back in the glory days of baseball, we had more all-state football players on the baseball team than on the football team (a la Savery, et.c)
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(12-01-2018 11:28 AM)westsidewolf1989 Wrote:  
(12-01-2018 12:16 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-30-2018 10:31 PM)I45owl Wrote:  
(11-30-2018 12:04 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-29-2018 10:57 PM)RiceOL83 Wrote:  Wouldn’t be surprised if he hit the diamond this spring.

I would. Bragga seems to be a stickler regarding sticking with the team and it's workouts all year. From what I've heard, Andrew Dunlap was interested in doing the same thing he did last year-- working during Fall semester and re-enrolling in the Spring, and it doesn't appear he's going to be welcomed back at Reckling in January. And gawd knows, we need all the offense we can find. Also, the pitching staff is pretty deep this year, much more so than last year (especially with the injuries we had to Moss, Ackers and Esquivel), and Tyner saw very little action last year.

My perception is that coach Graham was much more open to dual-sport players early in his career at Rice. It seems to me that they were few and far between the past 10-15 years (without having any data to reference). Does that match your perception?

I think Wayne has always been amenable and open to dual-sport players. It's been the football coach who has, at times, had issues with the arrangement. Wayne gave Tyner a chance last year even after he fulfilled his football commitments through Spring practice. Previously, there was Fuda, who became fulltime baseball after injuries shortened his football career, and Lewis, who never really panned out in either sport. A bit earlier, for our championship campaign, we had track star Jorgenson playing for us.

Back in the glory days of baseball, we had more all-state football players on the baseball team than on the football team (a la Savery, et.c)

That wasn't ever true, although people liked to claim it. Henley, Dodson and Luna were all-state football players, but if you scroll through the football rosters from the time you'll see there were more than a dozen all-state players (and more if you count honorable mention) on the football team at the time.
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Kinda OT, but didnt want to open a new thread.

Playoff is set -
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