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(11-27-2018 12:59 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Louisville pays a lot of money, but Fickell going there seems like a very bad fit. That place is scandal-ridden and sleazy. If you like getting up in the morning and feel like you've been sleeping in horse manure, maybe UofL might be attractive. I think a bigger risk for UC is Brohm takes the UofL slot and Purdue comes after Luke.

This is probably accurate.
 
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(11-26-2018 11:16 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Rumors floating around that former UC assistant Tyson Helton is leaving TN to be the new HC at Western KY

What's crazy is, Pruitt was about to fire him as OC. TN dodged a bullet not having to pay his buyout.
 
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(11-27-2018 12:59 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Louisville pays a lot of money, but Fickell going there seems like a very bad fit. That place is scandal-ridden and sleazy. If you like getting up in the morning and feel like you've been sleeping in horse manure, maybe UofL might be attractive. I think a bigger risk for UC is Brohm takes the UofL slot and Purdue comes after Luke.

Agreed. Purdue would be a much bigger threat for LF than Louisville IMO. Like you said, Louisville and Fickell are not a fit at all.
 
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(11-27-2018 12:59 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Louisville pays a lot of money, but Fickell going there seems like a very bad fit. That place is scandal-ridden and sleazy. If you like getting up in the morning and feel like you've been sleeping in horse manure, maybe UofL might be attractive. I think a bigger risk for UC is Brohm takes the UofL slot and Purdue comes after Luke.

Folks can say I'm crazy if they want, but I truly believe Fickell is a different animal than most G5 head coaches. I don't anticipate him uprooting his family of 8 twice in the span of two years to go to a lower-tier Big Ten school that has a history of chewing up and spitting out coaches every 3-4 years. I think he'll be here at least 5 years total unless a big fish like OSU or Notre Dame comes calling. Maybe Michigan State could be appealing too, but I don't think he's chasing money.
 
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(11-27-2018 12:59 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Louisville pays a lot of money, but Fickell going there seems like a very bad fit. That place is scandal-ridden and sleazy. If you like getting up in the morning and feel like you've been sleeping in horse manure, maybe UofL might be attractive. I think a bigger risk for UC is Brohm takes the UofL slot and Purdue comes after Luke.

Folks can say I'm crazy if they want, but I truly believe Fickell is a different animal than most G5 head coaches. I don't anticipate him uprooting his family of 8 twice in the span of two years to go to a lower-tier Big Ten school that has a history of chewing up and spitting out coaches every 3-4 years. I think he'll be here at least 5 years total unless a big fish like OSU or Notre Dame comes calling. Maybe Michigan State could be appealing too, but I don't think he's chasing money.

Bolded, my feeling as well. I think he came to stay. Not forever, but this job and this metro @ $2 million + per year affords a pretty nice lifestyle, 90 minutes or so from his home area and extended family. I believe the "Ohio Connection" may have been part of UC's search criteria.

One could speculate that he may re-evaluate after the AAC gets the new TV deal. If it's decidedly G5, he may realize he's hit a ceiling and move on after 2019. Alternately, If the TV money is considerably better, he may feel he can renegotiate and improve pay for himself and his assistants. Or the real wild card would be a move to the ACC or B12. In that scenario, he could prosper here long term, much like Frank Beamer did in building a great program at Virginia Tech. Unfortunately, UC faces a lot of uncertainty with regard to the conference and financial implications that make it impossible to reliably predict the near future.
 
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My guess is LF is in for an unexpected early raise from UC.
 
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(11-27-2018 03:27 PM)dsquare Wrote:  My guess is LF is in for an unexpected early raise from UC.

Contractually his pay is increasing from $2M to $2.3M on 1/1/19. Memphis Coach Mike Norvell is the highest paid coach in the conference and the entire G5 at $2.6M. Would like to think we could match it but to be honest I can't see how we could pay more than that given the Big East money has run out. I would also like to see more money thrown into the assistant pool to keep guys here (and happy).

Need the Lindner's, Wyler's, William's and Barrett's of the world to step up again.
 
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(11-27-2018 12:59 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Louisville pays a lot of money, but Fickell going there seems like a very bad fit. That place is scandal-ridden and sleazy. If you like getting up in the morning and feel like you've been sleeping in horse manure, maybe UofL might be attractive. I think a bigger risk for UC is Brohm takes the UofL slot and Purdue comes after Luke.

Folks can say I'm crazy if they want, but I truly believe Fickell is a different animal than most G5 head coaches. I don't anticipate him uprooting his family of 8 twice in the span of two years to go to a lower-tier Big Ten school that has a history of chewing up and spitting out coaches every 3-4 years. I think he'll be here at least 5 years total unless a big fish like OSU or Notre Dame comes calling. Maybe Michigan State could be appealing too, but I don't think he's chasing money.

Of Purdue's last 5 coaches, only 2 were "chewed up and spit out in 3-4 years."

Jeff Brohm is getting his dream job.
Joe Tiller had a lot of success and retired after 12 years.
Jim Colletto lasted 6 years.

Purdue's 6th most recent coach, Fred Akers, was Purdue's version of Tommy Tuberville (He was Texas' coach for 10 years, and after 1 losing season he left for Purdue).
 
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(11-27-2018 07:12 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(11-27-2018 02:39 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(11-27-2018 12:59 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Louisville pays a lot of money, but Fickell going there seems like a very bad fit. That place is scandal-ridden and sleazy. If you like getting up in the morning and feel like you've been sleeping in horse manure, maybe UofL might be attractive. I think a bigger risk for UC is Brohm takes the UofL slot and Purdue comes after Luke.

Folks can say I'm crazy if they want, but I truly believe Fickell is a different animal than most G5 head coaches. I don't anticipate him uprooting his family of 8 twice in the span of two years to go to a lower-tier Big Ten school that has a history of chewing up and spitting out coaches every 3-4 years. I think he'll be here at least 5 years total unless a big fish like OSU or Notre Dame comes calling. Maybe Michigan State could be appealing too, but I don't think he's chasing money.

Of Purdue's last 5 coaches, only 2 were "chewed up and spit out in 3-4 years."

Jeff Brohm is getting his dream job.
Joe Tiller had a lot of success and retired after 12 years.
Jim Colletto lasted 6 years.

Purdue's 6th most recent coach, Fred Akers, was Purdue's version of Tommy Tuberville (He was Texas' coach for 10 years, and after 1 losing season he left for Purdue).

Still don't know why Jim young left Purdue after 81'. He wanted to get into administration then took the Army head coaching job. Did good job at Army also. Burtnett took Purdue downhill and Akers was a disaster. Colletto got them competitive and Tiller did a great job.
 
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(11-27-2018 03:01 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(11-27-2018 02:39 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(11-27-2018 12:59 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Louisville pays a lot of money, but Fickell going there seems like a very bad fit. That place is scandal-ridden and sleazy. If you like getting up in the morning and feel like you've been sleeping in horse manure, maybe UofL might be attractive. I think a bigger risk for UC is Brohm takes the UofL slot and Purdue comes after Luke.

Folks can say I'm crazy if they want, but I truly believe Fickell is a different animal than most G5 head coaches. I don't anticipate him uprooting his family of 8 twice in the span of two years to go to a lower-tier Big Ten school that has a history of chewing up and spitting out coaches every 3-4 years. I think he'll be here at least 5 years total unless a big fish like OSU or Notre Dame comes calling. Maybe Michigan State could be appealing too, but I don't think he's chasing money.

Bolded, my feeling as well. I think he came to stay. Not forever, but this job and this metro @ $2 million + per year affords a pretty nice lifestyle, 90 minutes or so from his home area and extended family. I believe the "Ohio Connection" may have been part of UC's search criteria.

One could speculate that he may re-evaluate after the AAC gets the new TV deal. If it's decidedly G5, he may realize he's hit a ceiling and move on after 2019. Alternately, If the TV money is considerably better, he may feel he can renegotiate and improve pay for himself and his assistants. Or the real wild card would be a move to the ACC or B12. In that scenario, he could prosper here long term, much like Frank Beamer did in building a great program at Virginia Tech. Unfortunately, UC faces a lot of uncertainty with regard to the conference and financial implications that make it impossible to reliably predict the near future.

Agree with all of the above. As a true homer, I'll add another (maybe unimportant) wrinkle: what does his public pension look like as a state employee all these years (Akron, OSU and now UC)? He's probably got 18 years in the system so far, right? What's the minimum time served to draw a public pension?

At 2 mill/year, I'm guessing he can retire comfortably regardless, but still...
 
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(11-28-2018 08:30 AM)JPBearcat3 Wrote:  
(11-27-2018 03:01 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  
(11-27-2018 02:39 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(11-27-2018 12:59 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Louisville pays a lot of money, but Fickell going there seems like a very bad fit. That place is scandal-ridden and sleazy. If you like getting up in the morning and feel like you've been sleeping in horse manure, maybe UofL might be attractive. I think a bigger risk for UC is Brohm takes the UofL slot and Purdue comes after Luke.

Folks can say I'm crazy if they want, but I truly believe Fickell is a different animal than most G5 head coaches. I don't anticipate him uprooting his family of 8 twice in the span of two years to go to a lower-tier Big Ten school that has a history of chewing up and spitting out coaches every 3-4 years. I think he'll be here at least 5 years total unless a big fish like OSU or Notre Dame comes calling. Maybe Michigan State could be appealing too, but I don't think he's chasing money.

Bolded, my feeling as well. I think he came to stay. Not forever, but this job and this metro @ $2 million + per year affords a pretty nice lifestyle, 90 minutes or so from his home area and extended family. I believe the "Ohio Connection" may have been part of UC's search criteria.

One could speculate that he may re-evaluate after the AAC gets the new TV deal. If it's decidedly G5, he may realize he's hit a ceiling and move on after 2019. Alternately, If the TV money is considerably better, he may feel he can renegotiate and improve pay for himself and his assistants. Or the real wild card would be a move to the ACC or B12. In that scenario, he could prosper here long term, much like Frank Beamer did in building a great program at Virginia Tech. Unfortunately, UC faces a lot of uncertainty with regard to the conference and financial implications that make it impossible to reliably predict the near future.

Agree with all of the above. As a true homer, I'll add another (maybe unimportant) wrinkle: what does his public pension look like as a state employee all these years (Akron, OSU and now UC)? He's probably got 18 years in the system so far, right? What's the minimum time served to draw a public pension?

At 2 mill/year, I'm guessing he can retire comfortably regardless, but still...

He could technically get a reduced pension whenever he wanted...earliest he would get un-reduced is 30 years and at least 55 years old, then you get percentage bumps after that. Most he could make is 100% of his top 5-year average salary (limited to $120,000) which would happen after 42 years of service. He's got quite a long way to go.
 
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Sounds like an announcement is forthcoming on Brohm to Louisville.

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sp...134524002/
 
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Well, looks like we're going to see how committed our guy is really quickly.
 
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I see Neal Brown at Troy and Scott Satterfield at Appalachian State as much more proven than BDF at this point. Those guys have gotten their programs punching well above their weight now for 4-6 years. Fickell, by comparison, has conducted a fast rebuild but has otherwise just gotten Cincinnati to where we expect to be most years, given our rich talent & resources (relative to the G5) and this year's light schedule.

Fickell deserves a lot of credit for being a year ahead of schedule, but if I were an AD, his track record isn't as proven yet as some like Brown's and Satterfield's. I'd want to see what Fickell's system looks like in another year or two, with more of his own recruits, against better competition. That would give me a better idea of what Fickell brings to the table.

Unless we start winning NY6 bowls, I'm not concerned about losing Fickell anytime in the next few years to anyone but MSU... not in the slightest. I just hope we can increase the staff budget substantially to hold onto guys like Freeman.
 
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(11-28-2018 10:38 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  I see Neal Brown at Troy and Scott Satterfield at Appalachian State as much more proven than BDF at this point. Those guys have gotten their programs punching well above their weight now for 4-6 years. Fickell, by comparison, has conducted a fast rebuild but has otherwise just gotten Cincinnati to where we expect to be most years, given our rich talent & resources (relative to the G5) and this year's light schedule.

Fickell deserves a lot of credit for being a year ahead of schedule, but if I were an AD, his track record isn't as proven yet as some like Brown's and Satterfield's. I'd want to see what Fickell's system looks like in another year or two, with more of his own recruits, against better competition. That would give me a better idea of what Fickell brings to the table.

Unless we start winning NY6 bowls, I'm not concerned about losing Fickell anytime in the next few years to anyone but MSU... not in the slightest. I just hope we can increase the staff budget substantially to hold onto guys like Freeman.

See, this is where I can't figure out why the hell ECU isn't moving on Satterfield (in particular) at this point. Yeah, I get where they still have "a game" remaining in their season, but why not simply announce that Montgomery isn't coming back next year but let him finish out (no way ECU wins against NC State anyway...), and jump on Satterfield before someone else does. But they'll dick around until after New Year's, the few good candidates will be gone or signed to decent contract extensions, and they'll end up either keeping Montgomery on or hiring some retread who's desperate to get back into the game (like Butch).

I know I'm not happy about sharing a conference with dregs like Tulsa and Tulane, but ECU is a real disappointment. At one time they had a good football program to offset their miserable basketball team. But they don't even have that anymore.
 
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(11-28-2018 10:55 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  
(11-28-2018 10:38 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  I see Neal Brown at Troy and Scott Satterfield at Appalachian State as much more proven than BDF at this point. Those guys have gotten their programs punching well above their weight now for 4-6 years. Fickell, by comparison, has conducted a fast rebuild but has otherwise just gotten Cincinnati to where we expect to be most years, given our rich talent & resources (relative to the G5) and this year's light schedule.

Fickell deserves a lot of credit for being a year ahead of schedule, but if I were an AD, his track record isn't as proven yet as some like Brown's and Satterfield's. I'd want to see what Fickell's system looks like in another year or two, with more of his own recruits, against better competition. That would give me a better idea of what Fickell brings to the table.

Unless we start winning NY6 bowls, I'm not concerned about losing Fickell anytime in the next few years to anyone but MSU... not in the slightest. I just hope we can increase the staff budget substantially to hold onto guys like Freeman.

See, this is where I can't figure out why the hell ECU isn't moving on Satterfield (in particular) at this point. Yeah, I get where they still have "a game" remaining in their season, but why not simply announce that Montgomery isn't coming back next year but let him finish out (no way ECU wins against NC State anyway...), and jump on Satterfield before someone else does. But they'll dick around until after New Year's, the few good candidates will be gone or signed to decent contract extensions, and they'll end up either keeping Montgomery on or hiring some retread who's desperate to get back into the game (like Butch).

I know I'm not happy about sharing a conference with dregs like Tulsa and Tulane, but ECU is a real disappointment. At one time they had a good football program to offset their miserable basketball team. But they don't even have that anymore.

Satterfield is at a point now where he has better options than ECU. Heck, Appy State is a better place than ECU right now. Go undefeated at Appy State and you have a chance of getting that Access Bowl. At ECU it would take 3-4 years of a successful turnaround to get there.

With respects to ECU, they made a huge mistake in firing Ruffin. That being said, I think his ceiling for that program is much lower than it used to be a decade ago. With the power conference situation and the elevation of Appy State, ECU is the 5-6th most attractive in-state school in North Carolina. That's not going to serve you well against UC, USF, UCF, Houston, Temple and Memphis... schools that all have better recruiting situations and are all-in on football right now.
 
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(11-28-2018 10:38 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  I see Neal Brown at Troy and Scott Satterfield at Appalachian State as much more proven than BDF at this point. Those guys have gotten their programs punching well above their weight now for 4-6 years. Fickell, by comparison, has conducted a fast rebuild but has otherwise just gotten Cincinnati to where we expect to be most years, given our rich talent & resources (relative to the G5) and this year's light schedule.

Fickell deserves a lot of credit for being a year ahead of schedule, but if I were an AD, his track record isn't as proven yet as some like Brown's and Satterfield's. I'd want to see what Fickell's system looks like in another year or two, with more of his own recruits, against better competition. That would give me a better idea of what Fickell brings to the table.

Unless we start winning NY6 bowls, I'm not concerned about losing Fickell anytime in the next few years to anyone but MSU... not in the slightest. I just hope we can increase the staff budget substantially to hold onto guys like Freeman.

For the most part I agree, but the wrinkle I’d throw in is how great CLF is in person. He has confidence, brains, and he’s downright inspirational. I suspect he would crush it in a job interview. His leadership skills might be enough to win him any job he wants.
 
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(11-28-2018 11:40 AM)Dannyboy Wrote:  
(11-28-2018 10:38 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  I see Neal Brown at Troy and Scott Satterfield at Appalachian State as much more proven than BDF at this point. Those guys have gotten their programs punching well above their weight now for 4-6 years. Fickell, by comparison, has conducted a fast rebuild but has otherwise just gotten Cincinnati to where we expect to be most years, given our rich talent & resources (relative to the G5) and this year's light schedule.

Fickell deserves a lot of credit for being a year ahead of schedule, but if I were an AD, his track record isn't as proven yet as some like Brown's and Satterfield's. I'd want to see what Fickell's system looks like in another year or two, with more of his own recruits, against better competition. That would give me a better idea of what Fickell brings to the table.

Unless we start winning NY6 bowls, I'm not concerned about losing Fickell anytime in the next few years to anyone but MSU... not in the slightest. I just hope we can increase the staff budget substantially to hold onto guys like Freeman.

For the most part I agree, but the wrinkle I’d throw in is how great CLF is in person. He has confidence, brains, and he’s downright inspirational. I suspect he would crush it in a job interview. His leadership skills might be enough to win him any job he wants.

Yeah, I'd run through a wall for him.
 
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(11-28-2018 10:38 AM)TubaCat Wrote:  I see Neal Brown at Troy and Scott Satterfield at Appalachian State as much more proven than BDF at this point. Those guys have gotten their programs punching well above their weight now for 4-6 years. Fickell, by comparison, has conducted a fast rebuild but has otherwise just gotten Cincinnati to where we expect to be most years, given our rich talent & resources (relative to the G5) and this year's light schedule.

Fickell deserves a lot of credit for being a year ahead of schedule, but if I were an AD, his track record isn't as proven yet as some like Brown's and Satterfield's. I'd want to see what Fickell's system looks like in another year or two, with more of his own recruits, against better competition. That would give me a better idea of what Fickell brings to the table.

Unless we start winning NY6 bowls, I'm not concerned about losing Fickell anytime in the next few years to anyone but MSU... not in the slightest. I just hope we can increase the staff budget substantially to hold onto guys like Freeman.

While I agree that both are probably hotter names...there is something to be said about fit. Satterfield is a southern guy through and through who has spent only two years outside the state of North Carolina in his entire life. I'm actually shocked that the Tar Heels didn't throw the checkbook at him for that specific reason.

Neal Brown is kind of the same way, while he went to UMass for two years, he has made a concerted effort to move south in his coaching career, and I just don't know if a southern guy would work in the Midwest...I mean, hell, we have a pretty clear example of that with Tuberville's recruiting.

The guy I'm most surprised with not getting any mention is Seth Littrell. What he has done at North Texas has been pretty astonishing considering they have only had four winning seasons since 1998 before he came, and he has them on back to back 9-winners with a chance at 10 this season. Great offensive mind (worked under Rich Rod and Leach), and wouldn't be shocked to see him head to Tech.
 
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Just read on twitter that Houston has given OC Kendall Briles a new contract making him the 30th highest paid offensive coordinator in the country. Not sure what the $$ are yet, but that is pretty impressive for a school in the AAC.
 
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