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A SHAM IN SEC OFFICIATING!!!
A&M in the bottom of the first overtime caught a pass, fumbled the ball after two steps by the receiver and L.S.U. recovered it. it was ruled an incomplete pass with no review.
It was an obvious fumble. Then targeting on L.S.U., then two calls on the LSU defensive back in the 7OT one for interference when the contact was initiated by the offensive receiver, and then another for questioning the call.

What had been a great game, and was hard fought by the Aggies, in a game that either squad could have deserved the win was marred by the horrid way the Officials took over this game and dominated it through 7OT's.

Shame on the SEC conference's office, shame on the officials!
11-25-2018 12:39 AM
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Been a problem all year across the board. Bad calls, refs interfering with plays by being in the way, that dumb ref standing over the ball while the other team takes their sweet time substituting players as the play clock continues to wind down, etc. Wonder what the SEC office is going to do to address it this offseason.
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11-25-2018 12:53 AM
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I’m not saying we didn’t get a few calls our way (for once) but I also see it as cosmic karma payback for all the BS targeting calls we got this year
11-25-2018 12:57 AM
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(11-25-2018 12:57 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I’m not saying we didn’t get a few calls our way (for once) but I also see it as cosmic karma payback for all the BS targeting calls we got this year

Targeting calls are ruining the game. They can't define one and stick to the definition. A&M showed tremendous heart tonight. That'll be good for them. But the manipulation of the clock, the lack of reviews in spotting balls for both sides, and the end of the game got away from this crew, and instead of taking even more care with the calls to come they got even more overbearing and intrusive of the game and arrogant. The unsportsmanlike on the LSU back in the 7th OT should have been overlooked. He didn't do anything but question the call.

It was one of the worst examples of officiating from the end of the 3rd quarter through the end of 7 OT's I've ever witnessed in the SEC. Neither team deserved that crew tonight, and neither school deserved a loss.

I think it's high time in the interest of player safety to start overtimes at the 50. A lot more games would be won in 1 OT and by 3 points than what we have now. You'd have to earn a field goal. And I believe if after 3 OT's you are tied the game should end that way. Sometimes the effort and ability demonstrated is the same.
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I was so nice to see an SEC crew so throughly screw over another SEC team besides the hogs.

So glad to see this is a “fair” process*.












*Some teams, Alabama, excluded.
11-25-2018 06:29 AM
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(11-25-2018 06:29 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  I was so nice to see an SEC crew so throughly screw over another SEC team besides the hogs.

So glad to see this is a “fair” process*.












*Some teams, Alabama, excluded.

Officials in general suck, but this whole idea that Bama gets all the calls is dumb.

Most penalized teams of the last 5 years

In 2017, Bama was 124th in the nation with regard to how many penalties were called against its opponents.

You can choose your season on that website, but I don't think you're going to find Bama particularly high on that list in recent years. We were 128th in 2016. We're 43rd so far this season, however, but that's barely in the upper third. Arkansas is 57th for a point of reference.

If there's a conspiracy then it's a pretty inept one...

Bottom line is this: if Bama gets called for a penalty then they are more likely to overcome it because of the quality of the program at this juncture. If their opponent gets called for a penalty then Bama is more likely to take advantage of it because of the quality of the program at this juncture.

Refs suck and they suck for everybody.
11-25-2018 10:55 AM
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A few years back, I Emailed the Director of Officiating for the SEC. I was polite, but noted examples of questionable officiating. I received a brief reply about their training, oversight, etc.

One SEC game yesterday, I observed a terrible spotting of the ball that was about 1.5 yards short, forcing a 4th down. The TV announcers in the booth noticed it immediately and discussed it. The officials refused to review the spot.

I hate seeing refs blatantly influencing the outcome of a game. Of course some calls or no-calls can go either way, but showing favoritism toward particular teams in this process is unfortunate to see.

It happens outside the SEC perhaps as much. Some officials are timid in calling penalties on Notre Dame and Ohio State, for examples, but are willing to drop quick flags on whomever they are playing at the time.
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Officiating is victim to the same problem as elementary school teaching. They both need many years of quality experience as well as the physical stamina and conditioning of 25-30 year olds in order to be highly effective. I am 35 and athletic enough, and I break out in hives thinking about having to keep up and analyze every movement of 21 year old men who are bigger, faster, and stronger than I ever dreamed of being. I am also a teacher, and my colleagues who are now old enough to be truly seasoned pros are also getting out of the general education classroom for administrative positions that don't demand so much physical and mental strain. I am not sure how to solve such a problem other than more quantity of officials or to purposefully start training officials much earlier so that they are ready for major roles in their late 20's and early 30's as a full time career.
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(11-25-2018 12:39 AM)JRsec Wrote:  A&M in the bottom of the first overtime caught a pass, fumbled the ball after two steps by the receiver and L.S.U. recovered it. it was ruled an incomplete pass with no review.
It was an obvious fumble. Then targeting on L.S.U., then two calls on the LSU defensive back in the 7OT one for interference when the contact was initiated by the offensive receiver, and then another for questioning the call.

What had been a great game, and was hard fought by the Aggies, in a game that either squad could have deserved the win was marred by the horrid way the Officials took over this game and dominated it through 7OT's.

Shame on the SEC conference's office, shame on the officials!
Same old crap. PI because the defender held "a little too long". Please define what too long is. When is water too hot, or a steak too cold. Subjectivity... When is a catch a catch? Fumble or incomplete? Define what the hell a football move is. What is a football move? How about when a runner smokes the defender helmet to helmet with no call. Subjectivity allows the officials to control these games. A Clemson guy gets called for a Heisman pose to his fans in the end zone. Another team poses for the cameras in the end zone, and nothing. I am lost about the rules.
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(11-25-2018 12:57 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  I’m not saying we didn’t get a few calls our way (for once) but I also see it as cosmic karma payback for all the BS targeting calls we got this year

Rodgers Jr. played an incredible game last night. I hope the scouts were watching. That end zone grab might be the greatest catch I have ever seen.04-cheers
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(11-25-2018 11:12 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  Officiating is victim to the same problem as elementary school teaching. They both need many years of quality experience as well as the physical stamina and conditioning of 25-30 year olds in order to be highly effective. I am 35 and athletic enough, and I break out in hives thinking about having to keep up and analyze every movement of 21 year old men who are bigger, faster, and stronger than I ever dreamed of being. I am also a teacher, and my colleagues who are now old enough to be truly seasoned pros are also getting out of the general education classroom for administrative positions that don't demand so much physical and mental strain. I am not sure how to solve such a problem other than more quantity of officials or to purposefully start training officials much earlier so that they are ready for major roles in their late 20's and early 30's as a full time career.

It's a good question.

I actually think more referees would help as long as they are positioned off the playing surface.

That and I think some of these rules are too ill-defined. Holding, pass interference, celebration, and the like...there's too much room for subjectivity.

On a side note, I actually think if you allowed pass interference then you'd have fewer violent hits in the secondary.
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(11-25-2018 02:40 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(11-25-2018 12:39 AM)JRsec Wrote:  A&M in the bottom of the first overtime caught a pass, fumbled the ball after two steps by the receiver and L.S.U. recovered it. it was ruled an incomplete pass with no review.
It was an obvious fumble. Then targeting on L.S.U., then two calls on the LSU defensive back in the 7OT one for interference when the contact was initiated by the offensive receiver, and then another for questioning the call.

What had been a great game, and was hard fought by the Aggies, in a game that either squad could have deserved the win was marred by the horrid way the Officials took over this game and dominated it through 7OT's.

Shame on the SEC conference's office, shame on the officials!
Same old crap. PI because the defender held "a little too long". Please define what too long is. When is water too hot, or a steak too cold. Subjectivity... When is a catch a catch? Fumble or incomplete? Define what the hell a football move is. What is a football move? How about when a runner smokes the defender helmet to helmet with no call. Subjectivity allows the officials to control these games. A Clemson guy gets called for a Heisman pose to his fans in the end zone. Another team poses for the cameras in the end zone, and nothing. I am lost about the rules.

The biggest black hole the game faces is video review. It is now being used to find penalties not called by the field crew. And I could live with that if they weren't raking back over the camera angles to find things that they can interpret their way. The game ended with an L.S.U. interception. They searched the films not to see if the interception was legit, but to find if the play should have continued when nobody on the field questioned it.

It's like being able to comb through the film for an excuse to overturn an outcome you didn't like. Targeting specifically crosses that line. If the field crew doesn't see a targeting offense why does the booth have the right to stop play and impose a penalty. Originally they were there only to settle disputed calls, not to call the game. I'd say it has now gotten out of hand.
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(11-25-2018 07:18 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-25-2018 02:40 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  
(11-25-2018 12:39 AM)JRsec Wrote:  A&M in the bottom of the first overtime caught a pass, fumbled the ball after two steps by the receiver and L.S.U. recovered it. it was ruled an incomplete pass with no review.
It was an obvious fumble. Then targeting on L.S.U., then two calls on the LSU defensive back in the 7OT one for interference when the contact was initiated by the offensive receiver, and then another for questioning the call.

What had been a great game, and was hard fought by the Aggies, in a game that either squad could have deserved the win was marred by the horrid way the Officials took over this game and dominated it through 7OT's.

Shame on the SEC conference's office, shame on the officials!
Plays appear much different in slow motion than in game speed. That is a replay problem.
Same old crap. PI because the defender held "a little too long". Please define what too long is. When is water too hot, or a steak too cold. Subjectivity... When is a catch a catch? Fumble or incomplete? Define what the hell a football move is. What is a football move? How about when a runner smokes the defender helmet to helmet with no call. Subjectivity allows the officials to control these games. A Clemson guy gets called for a Heisman pose to his fans in the end zone. Another team poses for the cameras in the end zone, and nothing. I am lost about the rules.

The biggest black hole the game faces is video review. It is now being used to find penalties not called by the field crew. And I could live with that if they weren't raking back over the camera angles to find things that they can interpret their way. The game ended with an L.S.U. interception. They searched the films not to see if the interception was legit, but to find if the play should have continued when nobody on the field questioned it.

It's like being able to comb through the film for an excuse to overturn an outcome you didn't like. Targeting specifically crosses that line. If the field crew doesn't see a targeting offense why does the booth have the right to stop play and impose a penalty. Originally they were there only to settle disputed calls, not to call the game. I'd say it has now gotten out of hand.
Slow motion replays make the game speed plays look much different too
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