(11-20-2018 08:01 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 10:05 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 09:10 PM)JoeNovak Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 03:03 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 02:54 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  I find it equally bad on this message board.

I am not alumni of NIU. My kid went to NIU over a decade ago. I kind of adopted the team and go to 5-6 games a year. I shake my head at the comments people make on here too.

NIU has been a good football team for quite some time but people on here think because they have had some success that somehow there are kids all over the country longing to go to NIU. It just is not so and never will be. If I had a kid who was recruited by a big 10 school vs being recruited by a mac school, sorry but my kid is going to the big 10. The competition is better in the big 10. Anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. He could play in front of 100k fans in the big 10 vs 10k in the MAC. Most young men like competing at the highest level. If their are people who think otherwise, well sadly they are in the minority. Unless someone gives NIU a boat load of money, nothing is going to change that.

I love the fact that NIU recruits the kids who are overlooked by others. They might be a step slower, an inch or two shorter, a few pounds lighter. These young men have a chip on their shoulder. They find needles in the hay stack. Like Turner, Wolfe, Lynch.......guys that were not heavily recruited and they win....that is who NIU is.....and it is something that NIU and these young men can be proud of.

Me being an outsider, I don't think most of the negative people on here realize that NIU's recruiting class over the last decade is always ranked low. Even lower than their fellow MAC schools, yet NIU wins their fair share of games. Why is that? Maybe it has to do with coaching....

So Novak, Kill, Doeren, Carey (yes, even Carey) have recruiting classes that are not ranked very high, yet they win games....against teams with higher recruiting classes. Yet the amount of negativity is mind boggling and the unrealistic expectation of some is to win every single game.

Sorry but I just don't understand that....The only thing I can chalk it up to is these individuals never played (and lost) any competitive sport in their life.

I stay off this board and post very little because of the negativity.
It's like a cancer. It's no difference than the negativity on the news media. Now I have to sit in the stands and hear idiots attempting to "play" head football coach from the stands. I can log of this computer and not listen to the silly negativity, but sadly I can not do that in the stands.

Wish folks would just support the team and stop pretending to be a football coach, they are not qualified.

Oh well, guess there is no chance of that ever happening. A few bad apples always screw it up for everyone else.

Time for me to crawl back in my hole......

People being critical of NIU coaches is not the same as a drunk abusive fan at a game. I for one hope fans do not subscribe to the apathy you prescribe. Apathy is how we have gotten to the point of no fans left. We need more fans that care about the future of this program, not less.

The only abuse I have seen on here is fans relentlessly attacking NIU's QB (a player who is not a pro and makes no money doing this), who is doing the best job he can given the impossible situation he is placed in by a coach making 600,000 dollars a year. Time to place the blame where it rightfully belongs. Its ok to be critical and care about the performance of the individuals leading the program

And you relentlessly bash Rod Carey and turn every discussion into blaming him about something. It’s exhausting.

Only because people misplace the blame and basically abuse Childers for being thrown into this train wreck of an offensive philosophy. He should be applauded for what he is done instead of attacked at every turn.

You know I do not know if you have ever played a sport in your life but let me give you one small example. It was a couple years ago and I believe it was against Toledo at home. Late in the game, NIU had a third down and a couple yards to go. A lineman jumped offside and now it was third down and 7 or 8 yards. NIU did not convert the third down and had to punt. Afterwards the lineman were walking off the field, one of the other lineman put his arm around the shoulder of the guy who jumped offside. When he got to the side lines, Carey patted him on the a$$. The lineman knew he made a mistake. NIU lost the game. Now there are a bunch of plays in a game and they all have an impact on the game but since this happened at the end of the game this play took on a bit more importance. Mistakes happen though throughout the whole game.

Anyone who has played a down of football in their life knows a coach does not coach a player to jump offside. And no coach ever coached me to commit a penalty. Yet I committed plenty of penalties playing in my past and as much as I would like to throw my coach under the bus, I was the one who committed the act. No one coaches a player to make mistakes, but they make them every single game. No one is perfect. Coaches or players.

A coach needs to know when to kick a played in the butt, and when to give them a pat on the butt. And the coach and the player are usually the only ones on the planet that know when to do either. I have been yelled at in my past, and consoled in the past....by the same coach. It is a personal relationship between a player and a coach. My father spanked me and yelled at me all the time and I loved that man more than any person on this planet. He also was my best friend.

The QB is doing the best job he can, and so is the coach. Whether you think so or not. The QB and the coach both have a stronger desire to win the game than most people because they have a bit more invested in the game. He is not being coached to fail. It has been said a million times. QB's get too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses. He is a critical part of the team but can not do it all alone.

Another observation. People have made comments in the past about players quitting on coaches. I can say without question that I have never quit on anything in my life. Before a player can quit on a coach, he has to quit on himself, and his team mates first. My name was on the back of that jersey and there is not a snow balls chance in hell of me ever quitting on that name. I could care less who the coach was....Most players are pretty competitive individuals. Most are not quitters. I've gotten my butt kicked before, but quit? Nope...ain't gonna happen. I give these kids more credit I guess and understand there is a difference between getting your butt kicked and quitting.

It is ok to be critical, but to question peoples character, desire, ability, intelligence? People on here do just that....You can be critical without crossing a line.

I do not think anyone is close enough to the team to know what goes on behind closed doors in the locker room or on the practice field. I see what happens on the field during game time and that is all I see. I know that is but a small fraction of everything that goes into playing this game.

I also know more than anything else, you win and lose as a team.

Players and coaches share the blame and the credit.
I know when we won, the coaches did all they could to help me.
I know when we lost, the coaches did all they could to help me.

If people want to be critical, then so be it. I would simply suggest people be critical of the action and not critical of the person.
Even my father would tell me "what" I did was stupid, but he never said that "I" was stupid.
There is a big difference.

I would also suggest that while you think it is ok to be critical, remember you only know what you see on the field. Nothing more. You have no idea of anything else like Coaching, Practice, Strength and conditioning, Game Planning, Injuries, Classwork, Family Issues etc etc...you are only armed with very limited information for your criticism. Rather than being critical, you might want to "question" why a player or coach would do something as opposed to simply being critical.

But ultimately you seem to think that this coach is coaching this player to be unsuccessful. That this coach is deliberately putting this player in a situation to be a failure. I seriously doubt that. Your are certainly free to think that.
It simply just does not strike me as a logical position.

I hope the team wins, but I know they will not always prevail.
Sometimes the other team is just better or executes and does a better job.
I believe the team takes great pride in themselves, and do their very best.
When I say team, I am including players and coaches.
Lastly, it is a game. And a game is just that, a game.
Have fun everyone and enjoy the game!!

Thanks for your posts, legup! Some of the best I've read on the Dog Pound. Agree with everything you say. I didn't play football after the age of 12, but I did play catcher in HS and college and the same observations you make apply across all sports. And you're right, the negativity on this board can be daunting at times. I'd swear some of the most consistently negative posters on here who claim to be great "fans" are happiest when the Huskies lose just so they can say "See, I told you." It's the wrong attitude for any fan to have. Keep posting. Your stuff is worth reading more than once.

To the heckling NIU fans... Let Carey have it in Detroit when he inevitably blows the game.

(11-21-2018 12:29 PM)HW58 Wrote:  

(11-20-2018 08:01 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 10:05 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 09:10 PM)JoeNovak Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 03:03 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  People being critical of NIU coaches is not the same as a drunk abusive fan at a game. I for one hope fans do not subscribe to the apathy you prescribe. Apathy is how we have gotten to the point of no fans left. We need more fans that care about the future of this program, not less.

The only abuse I have seen on here is fans relentlessly attacking NIU's QB (a player who is not a pro and makes no money doing this), who is doing the best job he can given the impossible situation he is placed in by a coach making 600,000 dollars a year. Time to place the blame where it rightfully belongs. Its ok to be critical and care about the performance of the individuals leading the program

And you relentlessly bash Rod Carey and turn every discussion into blaming him about something. It’s exhausting.

Only because people misplace the blame and basically abuse Childers for being thrown into this train wreck of an offensive philosophy. He should be applauded for what he is done instead of attacked at every turn.

You know I do not know if you have ever played a sport in your life but let me give you one small example. It was a couple years ago and I believe it was against Toledo at home. Late in the game, NIU had a third down and a couple yards to go. A lineman jumped offside and now it was third down and 7 or 8 yards. NIU did not convert the third down and had to punt. Afterwards the lineman were walking off the field, one of the other lineman put his arm around the shoulder of the guy who jumped offside. When he got to the side lines, Carey patted him on the a$$. The lineman knew he made a mistake. NIU lost the game. Now there are a bunch of plays in a game and they all have an impact on the game but since this happened at the end of the game this play took on a bit more importance. Mistakes happen though throughout the whole game.

Anyone who has played a down of football in their life knows a coach does not coach a player to jump offside. And no coach ever coached me to commit a penalty. Yet I committed plenty of penalties playing in my past and as much as I would like to throw my coach under the bus, I was the one who committed the act. No one coaches a player to make mistakes, but they make them every single game. No one is perfect. Coaches or players.

A coach needs to know when to kick a played in the butt, and when to give them a pat on the butt. And the coach and the player are usually the only ones on the planet that know when to do either. I have been yelled at in my past, and consoled in the past....by the same coach. It is a personal relationship between a player and a coach. My father spanked me and yelled at me all the time and I loved that man more than any person on this planet. He also was my best friend.

The QB is doing the best job he can, and so is the coach. Whether you think so or not. The QB and the coach both have a stronger desire to win the game than most people because they have a bit more invested in the game. He is not being coached to fail. It has been said a million times. QB's get too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses. He is a critical part of the team but can not do it all alone.

Another observation. People have made comments in the past about players quitting on coaches. I can say without question that I have never quit on anything in my life. Before a player can quit on a coach, he has to quit on himself, and his team mates first. My name was on the back of that jersey and there is not a snow balls chance in hell of me ever quitting on that name. I could care less who the coach was....Most players are pretty competitive individuals. Most are not quitters. I've gotten my butt kicked before, but quit? Nope...ain't gonna happen. I give these kids more credit I guess and understand there is a difference between getting your butt kicked and quitting.

It is ok to be critical, but to question peoples character, desire, ability, intelligence? People on here do just that....You can be critical without crossing a line.

I do not think anyone is close enough to the team to know what goes on behind closed doors in the locker room or on the practice field. I see what happens on the field during game time and that is all I see. I know that is but a small fraction of everything that goes into playing this game.

I also know more than anything else, you win and lose as a team.

Players and coaches share the blame and the credit.
I know when we won, the coaches did all they could to help me.
I know when we lost, the coaches did all they could to help me.

If people want to be critical, then so be it. I would simply suggest people be critical of the action and not critical of the person.
Even my father would tell me "what" I did was stupid, but he never said that "I" was stupid.
There is a big difference.

I would also suggest that while you think it is ok to be critical, remember you only know what you see on the field. Nothing more. You have no idea of anything else like Coaching, Practice, Strength and conditioning, Game Planning, Injuries, Classwork, Family Issues etc etc...you are only armed with very limited information for your criticism. Rather than being critical, you might want to "question" why a player or coach would do something as opposed to simply being critical.

But ultimately you seem to think that this coach is coaching this player to be unsuccessful. That this coach is deliberately putting this player in a situation to be a failure. I seriously doubt that. Your are certainly free to think that.
It simply just does not strike me as a logical position.

I hope the team wins, but I know they will not always prevail.
Sometimes the other team is just better or executes and does a better job.
I believe the team takes great pride in themselves, and do their very best.
When I say team, I am including players and coaches.
Lastly, it is a game. And a game is just that, a game.
Have fun everyone and enjoy the game!!

Thanks for your posts, legup! Some of the best I've read on the Dog Pound. Agree with everything you say. I didn't play football after the age of 12, but I did play catcher in HS and college and the same observations you make apply across all sports. And you're right, the negativity on this board can be daunting at times. I'd swear some of the most consistently negative posters on here who claim to be great "fans" are happiest when the Huskies lose just so they can say "See, I told you." It's the wrong attitude for any fan to have. Keep posting. Your stuff is worth reading more than once.

They are easily identified and the answer is the Ignore button.

Stop quoting them and giving them consideration and they would go away.

There are relevant because we give them the attention they desire. We need to stop enabling them.

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You can question a player's ability, sorry. This is division 1, not junior college.

(11-21-2018 11:05 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  You can question a player's ability, sorry. This is division 1, not junior college.

Sorry, It makes no difference what level.
The truth is people outside of family and team do not have knowledge
about a players personal, physical or mental condition to be critical of the players ability.

Just one simple example is, they play a violent game.
Most of them after the first couple games are playing with pain.
Most players hide injuries to stay on the field and play the game they love.

So lets say a player drops a pass,
it is fine to say that was a catch the player should have made,
and the player would probably agree with that statement,
but there are some on here who would simply say "that player sucks".
Who knows, he may not be physically 100 percent.

I am certain that every person has gone to work when they did not feel well
and their level of output at work suffered because they were ill.

I guess it is easy for some to sit on a sofa and be critical about a players ability,
while having absolutely zero knowledge of a players personal condition.
The players though are the ones who are playing a violent game that equates to being involved in
an automobile accident all the time. While doing their best to deal with it and play through it.

(11-22-2018 09:38 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 11:05 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  You can question a player's ability, sorry. This is division 1, not junior college.

Sorry, It makes no difference what level.
The truth is people outside of family and team do not have knowledge
about a players personal, physical or mental condition to be critical of the players ability.

Just one simple example is, they play a violent game.
Most of them after the first couple games are playing with pain.
Most players hide injuries to stay on the field and play the game they love.

So lets say a player drops a pass,
it is fine to say that was a catch the player should have made,
and the player would probably agree with that statement,
but there are some on here who would simply say "that player sucks".
Who knows, he may not be physically 100 percent.

I am certain that every person has gone to work when they did not feel well
and their level of output at work suffered because they were ill.

I guess it is easy for some to sit on a sofa and be critical about a players ability,
while having absolutely zero knowledge of a players personal condition.
The players though are the ones who are playing a violent game that equates to being involved in
an automobile accident all the time. While doing their best to deal with it and play through it.

So if he drops passes in ten straight games we should assume he’s been injured all ten games? Again, you’re theory only applies to a single game incident. Most of the players criticized are done so because they’ve made the same bad plays over and over to the point that excuses are no longer valid and ability comes into question. Saying it’s a violent game can’t apply just to the ones who fail because the ones who succeed also play the same violent game.

(11-23-2018 12:04 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 09:38 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 11:05 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  You can question a player's ability, sorry. This is division 1, not junior college.

Sorry, It makes no difference what level.
The truth is people outside of family and team do not have knowledge
about a players personal, physical or mental condition to be critical of the players ability.

Just one simple example is, they play a violent game.
Most of them after the first couple games are playing with pain.
Most players hide injuries to stay on the field and play the game they love.

So lets say a player drops a pass,
it is fine to say that was a catch the player should have made,
and the player would probably agree with that statement,
but there are some on here who would simply say "that player sucks".
Who knows, he may not be physically 100 percent.

I am certain that every person has gone to work when they did not feel well
and their level of output at work suffered because they were ill.

I guess it is easy for some to sit on a sofa and be critical about a players ability,
while having absolutely zero knowledge of a players personal condition.
The players though are the ones who are playing a violent game that equates to being involved in
an automobile accident all the time. While doing their best to deal with it and play through it.

So if he drops passes in ten straight games we should assume he’s been injured all ten games? Again, you’re theory only applies to a single game incident. Most of the players criticized are done so because they’ve made the same bad plays over and over to the point that excuses are no longer valid and ability comes into question. Saying it’s a violent game can’t apply just to the ones who fail because the ones who succeed also play the same violent game.

The point was, people just don't know.
And I certainly do not know anything or assume anything.

I have watched them play and seen players be successful and
also make mistakes. I have no idea why, but I know there are
numerous possibilities. Far too many to list.
As I stated, I simply listed one.

Oh, and in my one example,
a player can suffer an injury the first game of the year
and attempt to deal with it for an entire season.
He just might be more successful from one week to another.
Again, you just don't know.

(11-24-2018 01:44 AM)leguptopee Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 12:04 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 09:38 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 11:05 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  You can question a player's ability, sorry. This is division 1, not junior college.

Sorry, It makes no difference what level.
The truth is people outside of family and team do not have knowledge
about a players personal, physical or mental condition to be critical of the players ability.

Just one simple example is, they play a violent game.
Most of them after the first couple games are playing with pain.
Most players hide injuries to stay on the field and play the game they love.

So lets say a player drops a pass,
it is fine to say that was a catch the player should have made,
and the player would probably agree with that statement,
but there are some on here who would simply say "that player sucks".
Who knows, he may not be physically 100 percent.

I am certain that every person has gone to work when they did not feel well
and their level of output at work suffered because they were ill.

I guess it is easy for some to sit on a sofa and be critical about a players ability,
while having absolutely zero knowledge of a players personal condition.
The players though are the ones who are playing a violent game that equates to being involved in
an automobile accident all the time. While doing their best to deal with it and play through it.

So if he drops passes in ten straight games we should assume he’s been injured all ten games? Again, you’re theory only applies to a single game incident. Most of the players criticized are done so because they’ve made the same bad plays over and over to the point that excuses are no longer valid and ability comes into question. Saying it’s a violent game can’t apply just to the ones who fail because the ones who succeed also play the same violent game.

The point was, people just don't know.
And I certainly do not know anything or assume anything.

I have watched them play and seen players be successful and
also make mistakes. I have no idea why, but I know there are
numerous possibilities. Far too many to list.
As I stated, I simply listed one.

Oh, and in my one example,
a player can suffer an injury the first game of the year
and attempt to deal with it for an entire season.
He just might be more successful from one week to another.
Again, you just don't know.

It’s a good approach to have. It holds true for many situations. Just not all situations. Yes this board can be hard on players, but some times that criticism is not a knee jerk reaction yet rather earned criticism due to bad play over time. Players do get a grace period for developing here. When they dont develope thats when the harsh criticism comes. It’s really not rational to use the injury or whatever excuse for a 20 game sample. Trouble at home. Stress. illness. Those are viable for a couple games. Not a couple seasons. And yes, I’m talking about Childers, Harmston, Tears, or Hagen last year. If your bad for an entire season and it’s due to injury, life situation, illness, etc, then you shouldn’t play. No ones saying they suck as a human being, they’re saying their play sucks(What ever the reason). It’s just not said in the nicest way because it’s out of frustration(and sometimes booze).

It’s commendable you give them the benefit of the doubt. You’re a bigger man than me. I try to be fair and open for as long as I can, but eventually i have to call players out if I think they’re underperforming. Not to be mean to the individual but rather to explain why the team is faltering.

(11-24-2018 09:52 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 01:44 AM)leguptopee Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 12:04 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 09:38 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 11:05 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  You can question a player's ability, sorry. This is division 1, not junior college.

Sorry, It makes no difference what level.
The truth is people outside of family and team do not have knowledge
about a players personal, physical or mental condition to be critical of the players ability.

Just one simple example is, they play a violent game.
Most of them after the first couple games are playing with pain.
Most players hide injuries to stay on the field and play the game they love.

So lets say a player drops a pass,
it is fine to say that was a catch the player should have made,
and the player would probably agree with that statement,
but there are some on here who would simply say "that player sucks".
Who knows, he may not be physically 100 percent.

I am certain that every person has gone to work when they did not feel well
and their level of output at work suffered because they were ill.

I guess it is easy for some to sit on a sofa and be critical about a players ability,
while having absolutely zero knowledge of a players personal condition.
The players though are the ones who are playing a violent game that equates to being involved in
an automobile accident all the time. While doing their best to deal with it and play through it.

So if he drops passes in ten straight games we should assume he’s been injured all ten games? Again, you’re theory only applies to a single game incident. Most of the players criticized are done so because they’ve made the same bad plays over and over to the point that excuses are no longer valid and ability comes into question. Saying it’s a violent game can’t apply just to the ones who fail because the ones who succeed also play the same violent game.

The point was, people just don't know.
And I certainly do not know anything or assume anything.

I have watched them play and seen players be successful and
also make mistakes. I have no idea why, but I know there are
numerous possibilities. Far too many to list.
As I stated, I simply listed one.

Oh, and in my one example,
a player can suffer an injury the first game of the year
and attempt to deal with it for an entire season.
He just might be more successful from one week to another.
Again, you just don't know.

It’s a good approach to have. It holds true for many situations. Just not all situations. Yes this board can be hard on players, but some times that criticism is not a knee jerk reaction yet rather earned criticism due to bad play over time. Players do get a grace period for developing here. When they dont develope thats when the harsh criticism comes. It’s really not rational to use the injury or whatever excuse for a 20 game sample. Trouble at home. Stress. illness. Those are viable for a couple games. Not a couple seasons. And yes, I’m talking about Childers, Harmston, Tears, or Hagen last year. If your bad for an entire season and it’s due to injury, life situation, illness, etc, then you shouldn’t play. No ones saying they suck as a human being, they’re saying their play sucks(What ever the reason). It’s just not said in the nicest way because it’s out of frustration(and sometimes booze).

It’s commendable you give them the benefit of the doubt. You’re a bigger man than me. I try to be fair and open for as long as I can, but eventually i have to call players out if I think they’re underperforming. Not to be mean to the individual but rather to explain why the team is faltering.

Let’s face the facts..... Tears looked better last season. So far this season he’s been ok. Not necessarily playing like a senior like “Carey” loves to say. The only reason the idiot fan gets any attention is because not enough people are at the game and fans are too chicken to call out the idiocy as it’s happening.

(11-24-2018 11:43 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 09:52 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 01:44 AM)leguptopee Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 12:04 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 09:38 PM)leguptopee Wrote:  Sorry, It makes no difference what level.
The truth is people outside of family and team do not have knowledge
about a players personal, physical or mental condition to be critical of the players ability.

Just one simple example is, they play a violent game.
Most of them after the first couple games are playing with pain.
Most players hide injuries to stay on the field and play the game they love.

So lets say a player drops a pass,
it is fine to say that was a catch the player should have made,
and the player would probably agree with that statement,
but there are some on here who would simply say "that player sucks".
Who knows, he may not be physically 100 percent.

I am certain that every person has gone to work when they did not feel well
and their level of output at work suffered because they were ill.

I guess it is easy for some to sit on a sofa and be critical about a players ability,
while having absolutely zero knowledge of a players personal condition.
The players though are the ones who are playing a violent game that equates to being involved in
an automobile accident all the time. While doing their best to deal with it and play through it.

So if he drops passes in ten straight games we should assume he’s been injured all ten games? Again, you’re theory only applies to a single game incident. Most of the players criticized are done so because they’ve made the same bad plays over and over to the point that excuses are no longer valid and ability comes into question. Saying it’s a violent game can’t apply just to the ones who fail because the ones who succeed also play the same violent game.

The point was, people just don't know.
And I certainly do not know anything or assume anything.

I have watched them play and seen players be successful and
also make mistakes. I have no idea why, but I know there are
numerous possibilities. Far too many to list.
As I stated, I simply listed one.

Oh, and in my one example,
a player can suffer an injury the first game of the year
and attempt to deal with it for an entire season.
He just might be more successful from one week to another.
Again, you just don't know.

It’s a good approach to have. It holds true for many situations. Just not all situations. Yes this board can be hard on players, but some times that criticism is not a knee jerk reaction yet rather earned criticism due to bad play over time. Players do get a grace period for developing here. When they dont develope thats when the harsh criticism comes. It’s really not rational to use the injury or whatever excuse for a 20 game sample. Trouble at home. Stress. illness. Those are viable for a couple games. Not a couple seasons. And yes, I’m talking about Childers, Harmston, Tears, or Hagen last year. If your bad for an entire season and it’s due to injury, life situation, illness, etc, then you shouldn’t play. No ones saying they suck as a human being, they’re saying their play sucks(What ever the reason). It’s just not said in the nicest way because it’s out of frustration(and sometimes booze).

It’s commendable you give them the benefit of the doubt. You’re a bigger man than me. I try to be fair and open for as long as I can, but eventually i have to call players out if I think they’re underperforming. Not to be mean to the individual but rather to explain why the team is faltering.

Let’s face the facts..... Tears looked better last season. So far this season he’s been ok. Not necessarily playing like a senior like “Carey” loves to say. The only reason the idiot fan gets any attention is because not enough people are at the game and fans are too chicken to call out the idiocy as it’s happening.

Personally I think Tears is a better receiver than we are seeing this year. When Santa was playing last year he would hit him deep on the regular for a long TD. His double move in the WMU corner was great and caused him to fall down, but even Childers threw a duck to him wide open down field. I think his play would be elevated with a better passing QB.

(11-24-2018 12:07 PM)JoeNovak Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:43 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 09:52 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 01:44 AM)leguptopee Wrote:  

(11-23-2018 12:04 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  So if he drops passes in ten straight games we should assume he’s been injured all ten games? Again, you’re theory only applies to a single game incident. Most of the players criticized are done so because they’ve made the same bad plays over and over to the point that excuses are no longer valid and ability comes into question. Saying it’s a violent game can’t apply just to the ones who fail because the ones who succeed also play the same violent game.

The point was, people just don't know.
And I certainly do not know anything or assume anything.

I have watched them play and seen players be successful and
also make mistakes. I have no idea why, but I know there are
numerous possibilities. Far too many to list.
As I stated, I simply listed one.

Oh, and in my one example,
a player can suffer an injury the first game of the year
and attempt to deal with it for an entire season.
He just might be more successful from one week to another.
Again, you just don't know.

It’s a good approach to have. It holds true for many situations. Just not all situations. Yes this board can be hard on players, but some times that criticism is not a knee jerk reaction yet rather earned criticism due to bad play over time. Players do get a grace period for developing here. When they dont develope thats when the harsh criticism comes. It’s really not rational to use the injury or whatever excuse for a 20 game sample. Trouble at home. Stress. illness. Those are viable for a couple games. Not a couple seasons. And yes, I’m talking about Childers, Harmston, Tears, or Hagen last year. If your bad for an entire season and it’s due to injury, life situation, illness, etc, then you shouldn’t play. No ones saying they suck as a human being, they’re saying their play sucks(What ever the reason). It’s just not said in the nicest way because it’s out of frustration(and sometimes booze).

It’s commendable you give them the benefit of the doubt. You’re a bigger man than me. I try to be fair and open for as long as I can, but eventually i have to call players out if I think they’re underperforming. Not to be mean to the individual but rather to explain why the team is faltering.

Let’s face the facts..... Tears looked better last season. So far this season he’s been ok. Not necessarily playing like a senior like “Carey” loves to say. The only reason the idiot fan gets any attention is because not enough people are at the game and fans are too chicken to call out the idiocy as it’s happening.

Personally I think Tears is a better receiver than we are seeing this year. When Santa was playing last year he would hit him deep on the regular for a long TD. His double move in the WMU corner was great and caused him to fall down, but even Childers threw a duck to him wide open down field. I think his play would be elevated with a better passing QB.

Tears seems quite raw to me and needs to clean some things up. He seems like he has a lot of wasted motion out there, inefficient. But I agree, I think he is much better than the numbers would say. I know he has had off the field issues from time to time, but I think overall he seems to have taken a better team approach this year, at least it seems that way from the stands.

(11-24-2018 12:48 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 12:07 PM)JoeNovak Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 11:43 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 09:52 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(11-24-2018 01:44 AM)leguptopee Wrote:  The point was, people just don't know.
And I certainly do not know anything or assume anything.

I have watched them play and seen players be successful and
also make mistakes. I have no idea why, but I know there are
numerous possibilities. Far too many to list.
As I stated, I simply listed one.

Oh, and in my one example,
a player can suffer an injury the first game of the year
and attempt to deal with it for an entire season.
He just might be more successful from one week to another.
Again, you just don't know.

It’s a good approach to have. It holds true for many situations. Just not all situations. Yes this board can be hard on players, but some times that criticism is not a knee jerk reaction yet rather earned criticism due to bad play over time. Players do get a grace period for developing here. When they dont develope thats when the harsh criticism comes. It’s really not rational to use the injury or whatever excuse for a 20 game sample. Trouble at home. Stress. illness. Those are viable for a couple games. Not a couple seasons. And yes, I’m talking about Childers, Harmston, Tears, or Hagen last year. If your bad for an entire season and it’s due to injury, life situation, illness, etc, then you shouldn’t play. No ones saying they suck as a human being, they’re saying their play sucks(What ever the reason). It’s just not said in the nicest way because it’s out of frustration(and sometimes booze).

It’s commendable you give them the benefit of the doubt. You’re a bigger man than me. I try to be fair and open for as long as I can, but eventually i have to call players out if I think they’re underperforming. Not to be mean to the individual but rather to explain why the team is faltering.

Let’s face the facts..... Tears looked better last season. So far this season he’s been ok. Not necessarily playing like a senior like “Carey” loves to say. The only reason the idiot fan gets any attention is because not enough people are at the game and fans are too chicken to call out the idiocy as it’s happening.

Personally I think Tears is a better receiver than we are seeing this year. When Santa was playing last year he would hit him deep on the regular for a long TD. His double move in the WMU corner was great and caused him to fall down, but even Childers threw a duck to him wide open down field. I think his play would be elevated with a better passing QB.

Tears seems quite raw to me and needs to clean some things up. He seems like he has a lot of wasted motion out there, inefficient. But I agree, I think he is much better than the numbers would say. I know he has had off the field issues from time to time, but I think overall he seems to have taken a better team approach this year, at least it seems that way from the stands.

Ya with his 2 game suspension he could have gone full meltdown mode and tried transferring, but he stuck with it.

Good to see fans showing their displeasure. I hope the administration takes notice.

The WRs have had some bad games but I can't fathom yelling at them at a game. That does not help.