(11-21-2018 03:26 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Usually some on this board wait until a few minutes into the game to complain about the officiating. Good to see we are getting more efficient, complaining days in advance.

Hey, when you're good at something you like to start early and prolong the joy.

Yes, ESPN and the playoff people will spend a lot of time talking up UCF and the play offs. But they know now and so does everybody else that they aren't getting in. So talk them up and make it appear like a real possibility. Its not though.

Anyway, we'll beat Houston and the P5 will help us beat UCF so they won't have to even worry about it.

The conference powers that be are stupid, short term thinkers if they believe that UCF winning a second year and extending their unbeaten streak helps anyone other than UCF. Yes, the conference might get the money from the access bowl participation but that might be a one time payment as UCF's reputation gains and the American wains. What happens if the Big 12 decides to add UCF and the American looks for a replacement. I don't think USM or UAB would make up for UCF and the conference falls back to parity with the MW and possibly CUSA.

The best thing for the entire conference would be for Houston or Memphis to win the championship.

(11-21-2018 04:10 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  If we're going to entertain conspiracy theories about what the conference would "let" us do, or what they want UCF to do, how about this one. If they let UCF win out, then UCF becomes the most attractive candidate to bolt for the B12, so why not take UCF down a few notches and "let" Memphis win this? Yeah, it's dumb, but not much dumber than the others posited.

No... That is NOT dumb. That's brilliant. I would say that they would definitely do that if Houston wins Friday because Houston will have a chance to be ranked at the bottom of the top 25, and then overtake UCF in the rankings if they beat UCF, thereby securing the access spot. I'm afraid with our four losses, the access spot is Out Of Reach For Us, and the opposite would be true if we win this Friday.

(11-21-2018 02:28 PM)Mimi Wrote:  That holding penalty still stings.
Less so than not running the ball for better FG position in last year's title game late in the fourth.

Houston will be very tough to beat. If we do, we are not playing Alabama the following week. Our kids can win. Screw the rest.

I agree with the former O-lineman who posted, that it was indeed holding, or at least a case that looked so much like holding that they generally call it. I recall your complaints, and I think you were looking at the wrong player. It wasn't the player on the end of the line, the left tackle, but rather the guy to his right, the left guard. It was one of those situations where the guy he is blocking changes direction to chase the play and tries to move away from him, but the O-lineman doesn't let go of the jersey in time. They can hold the jersey, keeping their hands between their shoulders, if the D-lineman is coming at them, but when he tries to turn, they have to let go.

(11-21-2018 04:17 PM)cmt Wrote:  Yes, ESPN and the playoff people will spend a lot of time talking up UCF and the play offs. But they know now and so does everybody else that they aren't getting in. So talk them up and make it appear like a real possibility. Its not though.

Anyway, we'll beat Houston and the P5 will help us beat UCF so they won't have to even worry about it.

After reading all the conspiracy theories - and coming up with one of my own - I vote for this one.

Consider this. Last year there was only 1 undefeated team in FBS.

That same team beat the team which beat the playoff Champion Bama.

Even though they return most of their team this year. They are the only top 10 in the final poll last year which did not start in top 10 in preseason poll.

Even worst they did not start out in the top 20 in preseason poll.

They blew out the current ACC Coastal Division leader during their current 22 game winning streak.

If this was a P5 team they would be solidly in the playoffs.

(11-21-2018 03:54 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  agree

One of the 'complainers' used to be an official even.

Official what?

(11-21-2018 10:40 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 03:54 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  agree

One of the 'complainers' used to be an official even.

Official what?

an official even.

(11-21-2018 10:32 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Consider this. Last year there was only 1 undefeated team in FBS.

That same team beat the team which beat the playoff Champion Bama.

Even though they return most of their team this year. They are the only top 10 in the final poll last year which did not start in top 10 in preseason poll.

Even worst they did not start out in the top 20 in preseason poll.

They blew out the current ACC Coastal Division leader during their current 22 game winning streak.

If this was a P5 team they would be solidly in the playoffs.

Starting outside of the top 20 was a travesty to say the least.

However, if they were in a P5 then they most likely would not have been playing a schedule ranked in the 70s and a real possibility they would not be undefeated. I mean look at the teams in the top 4 in the Playoff rankings schedule strength, Alabama - 6, Clemson - 11, Notre Dame - 29*, Michigan - 9. Not saying they definitely would not be in the picture, who knows, but it would have been a much harder road for a team that clearly is not as dominating as last years team. JMO

(11-22-2018 12:47 AM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 10:32 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Consider this. Last year there was only 1 undefeated team in FBS.

That same team beat the team which beat the playoff Champion Bama.

Even though they return most of their team this year. They are the only top 10 in the final poll last year which did not start in top 10 in preseason poll.

Even worst they did not start out in the top 20 in preseason poll.

They blew out the current ACC Coastal Division leader during their current 22 game winning streak.

If this was a P5 team they would be solidly in the playoffs.

Starting outside of the top 20 was a travesty to say the least.

However, if they were in a P5 then they most likely would not have been playing a schedule ranked in the 70s and a real possibility they would not be undefeated. I mean look at the teams in the top 4 in the Playoff rankings schedule strength, Alabama - 6, Clemson - 11, Notre Dame - 29*, Michigan - 9. Not saying they definitely would not be in the picture, who knows, but it would have been a much harder road for a team that clearly is not as dominating as last years team. JMO

And a lot of other people would argue that the reason their schedules are so "good" is because they are full of teams who did not get dropped out of the top 25 just because the calendar turned over one year. The AAC has its share of really good teams that do not get recognized in the form of rankings that would bolster UCF's strength of schedule. Granted, East Carolina and UConn or horrible. But so is the Citadel whom Alabama just played this past weekend.

(11-21-2018 07:03 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 04:10 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  If we're going to entertain conspiracy theories about what the conference would "let" us do, or what they want UCF to do, how about this one. If they let UCF win out, then UCF becomes the most attractive candidate to bolt for the B12, so why not take UCF down a few notches and "let" Memphis win this? Yeah, it's dumb, but not much dumber than the others posited.

No... That is NOT dumb. That's brilliant. I would say that they would definitely do that if Houston wins Friday because Houston will have a chance to be ranked at the bottom of the top 25, and then overtake UCF in the rankings if they beat UCF, thereby securing the access spot. I'm afraid with our four losses, the access spot is Out Of Reach For Us, and the opposite would be true if we win this Friday.

I really don't think a #24 Houston beating a #8/7 UCF would jump us.

(11-22-2018 06:13 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 12:47 AM)SpiderMan79x Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 10:32 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  Consider this. Last year there was only 1 undefeated team in FBS.

That same team beat the team which beat the playoff Champion Bama.

Even though they return most of their team this year. They are the only top 10 in the final poll last year which did not start in top 10 in preseason poll.

Even worst they did not start out in the top 20 in preseason poll.

They blew out the current ACC Coastal Division leader during their current 22 game winning streak.

If this was a P5 team they would be solidly in the playoffs.

Starting outside of the top 20 was a travesty to say the least.

However, if they were in a P5 then they most likely would not have been playing a schedule ranked in the 70s and a real possibility they would not be undefeated. I mean look at the teams in the top 4 in the Playoff rankings schedule strength, Alabama - 6, Clemson - 11, Notre Dame - 29*, Michigan - 9. Not saying they definitely would not be in the picture, who knows, but it would have been a much harder road for a team that clearly is not as dominating as last years team. JMO

And a lot of other people would argue that the reason their schedules are so "good" is because they are full of teams who did not get dropped out of the top 25 just because the calendar turned over one year. The AAC has its share of really good teams that do not get recognized in the form of rankings that would bolster UCF's strength of schedule. Granted, East Carolina and UConn or horrible. But so is the Citadel whom Alabama just played this past weekend.

Fair enough. I get both sides of the argument for sure, and deep down I root for UCF to win unless playing the Tigers.

That being said, I just don't see UCF playing a SEC schedule with 5 ranked teams and coming away undefeated. But we are talking about the B12 here, and I really don't think there is any huge separation between the AAC and B12 at this point. I think they'd probably be on top of the standings right there with Oklahoma this year, but I could still see them having a loss at this point. I guess if they keep winning then we may eventually get to see how they'd do in the B12. lol

^

I agree. AAC football is as good as Big 12 football.

I wouldn't go that far.

But the American is as close to the Big XII as any other G5 league is to the AAC.

FCU, UFC UCF, FUC, who cares, they need a easy name like MEMPHIS
BYU, UBY,YBU, I'm still trying to figure out where BYE is located, we play them every yr

I'm being optimistic and we beat Houston and the Florida school located in Orlando
What bowl would we play in, maybe the liberty, we did draw a decent crowd

(11-22-2018 08:47 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 07:03 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 04:10 PM)roundhouse74 Wrote:  If we're going to entertain conspiracy theories about what the conference would "let" us do, or what they want UCF to do, how about this one. If they let UCF win out, then UCF becomes the most attractive candidate to bolt for the B12, so why not take UCF down a few notches and "let" Memphis win this? Yeah, it's dumb, but not much dumber than the others posited.

No... That is NOT dumb. That's brilliant. I would say that they would definitely do that if Houston wins Friday because Houston will have a chance to be ranked at the bottom of the top 25, and then overtake UCF in the rankings if they beat UCF, thereby securing the access spot. I'm afraid with our four losses, the access spot is Out Of Reach For Us, and the opposite would be true if we win this Friday.

I really don't think a #24 Houston beating a #8/7 UCF would jump us.

Okay, but that's not really the sticking point. The point would be, would they jump enough to be the highest ranked group of 5 CHAMPION...

(11-22-2018 04:55 PM)memphisike Wrote:  I'm being optimistic and we beat Houston and the Florida school located in Orlando
What bowl would we play in, maybe the liberty, we did draw a decent crowd

Steve Air Heart or however you spell his name says absolutely not. Not 2 years in a row. Plus, it appears the SEC and the BigXII will have the required number of teams eligible to fill both slots.

I say, if we win the conference and put their streak to an end, we start calling them Orlando.

Ehrhart.

And a lot of South Florida people derisively call Central Florida by the city they're nearest to (Oviedo).