(11-26-2018 11:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  The tax code was simplified. Upper middle class and the rich didn't get the same deductions as before, but got lower overall rates. States weren't punished. But they were no longer rewarded for draining the federal tax collections by raising their own taxes.

I agree. Why should those of us in other states have to subsidize citizens who CHOOSE to live in NY, CA and NJ? Citizens of those states need to pay their fair share of their Federal tax obligations.

It really was a correction that needed to be made. Feds shouldn't bear the brunt of high state taxes

(11-20-2018 04:47 PM)green Wrote:  Trump's last two ratings on handling the economy -- 53% now and 50% in August -- are well above the average of 45% on this economic approval measure across presidents extending from Ronald Reagan through Barack Obama.

(11-26-2018 08:20 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  when CHS wins tomorrow, it'll be 53 senate seats, correct? Time for Mitch to start getting some judges confirmed.

Oh, that's one thing I will give Yertle props on allllllll day long. For all his shortcomings, and they are many, 8 years for the Drumpf is still a rather fleeting period. The judges and justices appointed and approved by McConnell's new, nearly impenetrable, majority (Thanks, POTUS) will be both of their true legacy's. 6 more years of SCOTUS and boomer judges retiring or ginsburging while on the bench?

Generational.

I breath easier about my kids and their (eventual) kids future.

pp- "We have a Republic, if we can keep it". It's in jeopardy, but things be lookin' UP!

(11-26-2018 11:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They didn't run on the economy because the Republican internal polling saw that it was a flatline with voters, and also Conor Lamb won in a heavy GOP district in spite of non-stop signaling on that issue earlier that year.

The only issue in any election between now and 2021 is Trump and Trumpism. People. Do. Not. Care. About. Anything. Else. Congrats GOP! You've owned the libs, and the moderates (oops I mean RINOs), and the Gays, and the blacks, and the women, and the Hispanics, and the young voters.

Another problem was that Trump's taxcuts actually were a tax increase for many suburbanites, including in NY, NJ, and CA (where the Dems picked up 14 house seats alone), due to his punitive decision to tweak the tax code to punish them. His rash decision to start a low boil trade war with China ended up hurting the economies in Iowa, Wisconsin, Illinois, and other areas too. And that's likely to get worse too. Another problem with the 'good' economic numbers was that they helped people who generally don't need the extra money, and are voting on other issues (e.g., Trump). Double down on white nativism/nationalism and toxic masculinity all day long....it doesn't change the electoral math.

Nate Silver was right. Trump's election in 2016 was a 2 to 3 % chance that actually hit. You can't win by offending, on nearly a daily basis, a majority of the voters except in a one off, shock election. Political gravity is a thing, and it can't be escaped for long.

But you are free to celebrate your party's performance in 2018, if you like.

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BTW, even if the economy tanks, it won't hurt Trump as much as it normally would. His base is all in. But the bad news for Trump is that while going below 38 percent will be hard....getting above 45 percent is equally hard. And while I don't think the Dems are going to put up a terrible candidate....I don't think it is going to matter.

Hey, Tom?

Rich, entitled, privileged white kid that went to GW, a largely white 50-60 grand a year school.

One question for you-

When you carve out ALL those folks endlessly listed above as some kind of "minority",

Errrrrrr, who's the majority? Math can be tough some times, I get that.

I'll take the answer off the air.

(11-26-2018 08:11 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Well, if my choices are Trump, Kasich, or any of the democrats, I'd vote Kasich. Easily. There has been some mention of his running as a libertarian. Definitely vote Kasich in that case.

Already did that once before.

Kasich is/was a pretty great House member, think he MAJORLY f*cked up with his taking of the nectar, as Gov, for medirupt $$$'s not recognizing they ALLLLLL go away from the feds in relatively short order. A short-term crack donation from zerO.
Read the white papers, folks. Both Tn and Ky. Ohio ain' much different cause they're 1500 miles north (pick a number, sheesh). this'll be bankrupting Ol Virginny soon enough too.

Years past, the State paid (It's No.1 obligation/dedication) 85% of a kids University tuition, room and board.

Today? Closer to 12%. Now, have my taxes gone down? Are the roads getting better? Elementary and secondary schools better? More kids getting better educated?

So, where's all that extra money going to?

I'd suggest you simply stroll into a local DMV and sit down for 30 mins.

'Splains it's self

LOL.

Gallup just came out with a new poll. Do you approve or disapprove of Donald J Trump's performance as President.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203207/trum...eekly.aspx

60% disapproval, 39% approval.

Since this thread mentions The Great One in it's title:

(11-26-2018 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 02:35 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 11:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  in NY, NJ, and CA (where the Dems picked up 14 house seats alone)

dems only flipped 13 seats outside of traditional blue living room ...

UNDERWHELM

LOL. What you don't see is a realignment happening. The Dems basically flipped a core Republican group to their camp, suburban voters. This was also a national flip too, and the same impact was seen basically across the country.

And its possible the flip isn't finished yet. It could get worse for your side. Much worse. And that's just from one demographic group turning on Trump.

How many state and federal offices flipped?

Once we know that number then we can subtract it from 1,042.

(11-26-2018 02:35 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 11:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  in NY, NJ, and CA (where the Dems picked up 14 house seats alone)

dems only flipped 13 seats outside of traditional blue living room ...

UNDERWHELM

Democrats did stronger in Democratic areas. Republicans did stronger in Republican areas.

(11-26-2018 05:41 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Um - so tell me again how Trump's economy approval rating is the highest it's been since Reagan when Clinton's was higher?

greater than normal; at a high point ...

PEDANTIC

(11-26-2018 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 02:35 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 11:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  in NY, NJ, and CA (where the Dems picked up 14 house seats alone)

dems only flipped 13 seats outside of traditional blue living room ...

UNDERWHELM

LOL. What you don't see is a realignment happening. The Dems basically flipped a core Republican group to their camp, suburban voters. This was also a national flip too, and the same impact was seen basically across the country.

And its possible the flip isn't finished yet. It could get worse for your side. Much worse. And that's just from one demographic group turning on Trump.

Wrong. Inner suburbs are becoming less Republican because more Democrats, especially minorities, are moving into them.

They like to talk about Cobb and Gwinnett Counties in the Atlanta area. Both areas were 90% white in 1990. Both are majority minority now. In addition, some nice areas in those counties have become lower middle class as they aged. Gwinnett had about 353,000 in 1990. In 2000 it had about 588,000 and was 73% white. It now has 920,000 and about the same number of white residents as it had in 2000.

(11-26-2018 07:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 12:20 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I actually think somebody like Kasich running as a third party candidate might help Trump. He doesn't need a majority, he just needs to be first past the post. And Kasich might very well pull more moderate democrats who can't stand the extremist their party is likely to nominate, and republicans who can't stand Trump and voted Hillary or third party or sat out 2016, than he is to pull Trump's core support. In that environment 38% might be enough to win, and 45% could definitely be.

Plus a lot of Kasich voters would likely go republican down ballot.

That is Trump's plan, to have a 3rd party sop up all the voters that will NEVER vote for him. But there's a problem with that...The Dems are ready for it. People would rightly see a vote for anyone other than the Democrat as a vote for Trump.

Besides, I don't think Kasich is running for office to reelect Trump. He's not stupid. He knows he can't win the Presidency as an third party - heck, he's going to have trouble even qualifiying for the ballot in some states. He hates Trump.

Kasich is a narcissist who even makes Presidents Trump and Obama look normal by comparison. He thought a deadlocked convention full of Trump and Cruz supporters would turn to him. When Jeb dropped out, I voted for Cruz in the primaries. Even though Kasich was closer to me on positions, he is just flat out nuts.

(11-26-2018 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 02:35 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 11:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  in NY, NJ, and CA (where the Dems picked up 14 house seats alone)

dems only flipped 13 seats outside of traditional blue living room ...

UNDERWHELM

LOL.

AZ-2
GA-6
IA-1
IA-3
KS-3
ME-2
MI-8
MI-11
OK-5
SC-1
UT-4
TX-7
TX-32

BAKER'S DOZEN

(11-27-2018 01:45 PM)bullet Wrote:  Even though Kasich was closer to me on positions, he is just flat out nuts.

https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/...8961903617

WEIRDO

(11-27-2018 12:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 07:41 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 02:35 PM)green Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 11:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  in NY, NJ, and CA (where the Dems picked up 14 house seats alone)

dems only flipped 13 seats outside of traditional blue living room ...

UNDERWHELM

LOL. What you don't see is a realignment happening. The Dems basically flipped a core Republican group to their camp, suburban voters. This was also a national flip too, and the same impact was seen basically across the country.

And its possible the flip isn't finished yet. It could get worse for your side. Much worse. And that's just from one demographic group turning on Trump.

How many state and federal offices flipped?

Once we know that number then we can subtract it from 1,042.

State office flips....a little north of 300. Statewide offices...around 60. House seats, 40. Less 2 losses in the Senate. So, that's a net of about 398 or so. We will get the rest of them in 2020.
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The Dems did better in Republican areas, like suburban areas of Texas, Orange County, CA, and NE suburbs, etc.