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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-04-2018 10:00 AM)TubaCat Wrote: If we win out next year, with that brutal schedule, there is no way we don't make the playoffs. The following year, 2020, however...
Austin Peay
Western Michigan
at Miami (Ohio)
at Nebraska
Nebraska might be anywhere between mediocre and great, but the rest of the OOC schedule is quite lacking. The fact that the Austin Peay game was just announced less than 2 months ago is discomforting. What happened? Is there really no one else available and no time left to wait for one to open up? A quick glance at fbschedules.com shows that Syracuse isn't playing anyone the week of the Austin Peay game, and still has 2 open OOC slots for 2020... I'm sure there are others as well. I guess the fact is that few P5 schools want to play us...
We are never getting into the playoffs as a member of the AAC. Might as well work up a good record to claim the NY6 spot.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-04-2018 10:00 AM)TubaCat Wrote: (12-04-2018 09:33 AM)Crewdogz Wrote: Was listening to a national sports talk show and they said UCF not even getting close to the playoffs will start to hurt recruiting. They said quote; "If winning 25 straight games won't get you in the playoffs recruits will look at that and say I need to go to a P5 school."
I was openly rooting for UCF to get into the playoffs.
If we win out next year, with that brutal schedule, there is no way we don't make the playoffs. The following year, 2020, however...
Austin Peay
Western Michigan
at Miami (Ohio)
at Nebraska
Nebraska might be anywhere between mediocre and great, but the rest of the OOC schedule is quite lacking. The fact that the Austin Peay game was just announced less than 2 months ago is discomforting. What happened? Is there really no one else available and no time left to wait for one to open up? A quick glance at fbschedules.com shows that Syracuse isn't playing anyone the week of the Austin Peay game, and still has 2 open OOC slots for 2020... I'm sure there are others as well. I guess the fact is that few P5 schools want to play us...
That schedule isn't likely to be get to a playoff good unless Nebraska wins the Big Ten, but it's a solid enough nonconference schedule. Getting one big name program in any year is a huge victory.
(This post was last modified: 12-04-2018 12:26 PM by bearcatmark.)
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-04-2018 10:16 AM)RealDeal Wrote: (12-04-2018 09:33 AM)Crewdogz Wrote: Was listening to a national sports talk show and they said UCF not even getting close to the playoffs will start to hurt recruiting. They said quote; "If winning 25 straight games won't get you in the playoffs recruits will look at that and say I need to go to a P5 school."
I was openly rooting for UCF to get into the playoffs.
Do they really think that UCF kids went there thinking playoffs were a possibility? Lets be honest 75% of the playoff participants have been Bama, Clemson, OU, and OSU so unless you're going to one of those schools you've got a very slim chance anyway. Are Northwestern and Indiana really selling kids that they could go to the playoffs?
That radio talk show was regurgitating the Cartel 5 narrative. RealDeal is spot on. 80+% of the Cartel 5 have not shot at the playoff. UCF will continue to recruit well as long as they win. They will claim the NC if they win out and issue rings to the players.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-04-2018 12:59 PM)bearcatmill Wrote: (12-04-2018 10:16 AM)RealDeal Wrote: (12-04-2018 09:33 AM)Crewdogz Wrote: Was listening to a national sports talk show and they said UCF not even getting close to the playoffs will start to hurt recruiting. They said quote; "If winning 25 straight games won't get you in the playoffs recruits will look at that and say I need to go to a P5 school."
I was openly rooting for UCF to get into the playoffs.
Do they really think that UCF kids went there thinking playoffs were a possibility? Lets be honest 75% of the playoff participants have been Bama, Clemson, OU, and OSU so unless you're going to one of those schools you've got a very slim chance anyway. Are Northwestern and Indiana really selling kids that they could go to the playoffs?
That radio talk show was regurgitating the Cartel 5 narrative. RealDeal is spot on. 80+% of the Cartel 5 have not shot at the playoff. UCF will continue to recruit well as long as they win. They will claim the NC if they win out and issue rings to the players.
Yep-- Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma and OSU account for 14/20 playoff spots. The one offs are Georgia, Notre Dame, Oregon, FSU, Michigan State and Washington.
If any one or more of Bama, Clemson, Oklahoma and OSU (throw in Texas, Notre Dame, Michigan and maybe USC) have two losses or less everyone else might as well forget about their chances of getting in.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-04-2018 12:22 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: (12-04-2018 10:00 AM)TubaCat Wrote: If we win out next year, with that brutal schedule, there is no way we don't make the playoffs. The following year, 2020, however...
Austin Peay
Western Michigan
at Miami (Ohio)
at Nebraska
Nebraska might be anywhere between mediocre and great, but the rest of the OOC schedule is quite lacking. The fact that the Austin Peay game was just announced less than 2 months ago is discomforting. What happened? Is there really no one else available and no time left to wait for one to open up? A quick glance at fbschedules.com shows that Syracuse isn't playing anyone the week of the Austin Peay game, and still has 2 open OOC slots for 2020... I'm sure there are others as well. I guess the fact is that few P5 schools want to play us...
We are never getting into the playoffs as a member of the AAC. Might as well work up a good record to claim the NY6 spot.
Next year we play UCLA, tO$U, Houston, Memphis, Temple, UCF, USF, etc. On the crazy off chance that we went 13-0, UCLA was improved, and tO$U went 12-1 and won the Big Ten, we’d get in. But that’s the type of miracle required for it to happen.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-04-2018 01:54 PM)Dannyboy Wrote: (12-04-2018 12:22 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: (12-04-2018 10:00 AM)TubaCat Wrote: If we win out next year, with that brutal schedule, there is no way we don't make the playoffs. The following year, 2020, however...
Austin Peay
Western Michigan
at Miami (Ohio)
at Nebraska
Nebraska might be anywhere between mediocre and great, but the rest of the OOC schedule is quite lacking. The fact that the Austin Peay game was just announced less than 2 months ago is discomforting. What happened? Is there really no one else available and no time left to wait for one to open up? A quick glance at fbschedules.com shows that Syracuse isn't playing anyone the week of the Austin Peay game, and still has 2 open OOC slots for 2020... I'm sure there are others as well. I guess the fact is that few P5 schools want to play us...
We are never getting into the playoffs as a member of the AAC. Might as well work up a good record to claim the NY6 spot.
Next year we play UCLA, tO$U, Houston, Memphis, Temple, UCF, USF, etc. On the crazy off chance that we went 13-0, UCLA was improved, and tO$U went 12-1 and won the Big Ten, we’d get in. But that’s the type of miracle required for it to happen.
See my post above-- if any combination of Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Texas and OSU were sitting on one loss or less, our chances are nil. We'd have to have some kind of flukey type season were Notre Dame stunk; Wake Forest, Baylor, Oregon State, and Vanderbilt won their P5 conferences with 9-4 or 10-3 records.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-04-2018 03:06 PM)Crewdogz Wrote: Mike Leach on college football playoffs: https://twitter.com/nucfootball/status/1...5946832897
Excellent post. The only folks really happy with the current system are fans who cheer for one the four anointed teams. Can't imagine the Pac 12 or B10 fans who cheer for their respective conference teams this time of year are pleased either.
It won't be the G5 that drives change, but change will come and the G5 may be a co-beneficiary if an expanded playoff offers a guaranteed slot. Even an 8 team scenario where 'Bama was #1 playing #8 UCF is an opportunity not present today.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-04-2018 12:22 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: (12-04-2018 10:00 AM)TubaCat Wrote: If we win out next year, with that brutal schedule, there is no way we don't make the playoffs. The following year, 2020, however...
Austin Peay
Western Michigan
at Miami (Ohio)
at Nebraska
Nebraska might be anywhere between mediocre and great, but the rest of the OOC schedule is quite lacking. The fact that the Austin Peay game was just announced less than 2 months ago is discomforting. What happened? Is there really no one else available and no time left to wait for one to open up? A quick glance at fbschedules.com shows that Syracuse isn't playing anyone the week of the Austin Peay game, and still has 2 open OOC slots for 2020... I'm sure there are others as well. I guess the fact is that few P5 schools want to play us...
We are never getting into the playoffs as a member of the AAC. Might as well work up a good record to claim the NY6 spot.
What he said
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-04-2018 03:18 PM)OKIcat Wrote: (12-04-2018 03:06 PM)Crewdogz Wrote: Mike Leach on college football playoffs: https://twitter.com/nucfootball/status/1...5946832897
Excellent post. The only folks really happy with the current system are fans who cheer for one the four anointed teams. Can't imagine the Pac 12 or B10 fans who cheer for their respective conference teams this time of year are pleased either.
It won't be the G5 that drives change, but change will come and the G5 may be a co-beneficiary if an expanded playoff offers a guaranteed slot. Even an 8 team scenario where 'Bama was #1 playing #8 UCF is an opportunity not present today.
I said that earlier in this thread. The key to an expanded playoff and (hopeful) G5 autobid isn't the G5 being left out. It's the B1G getting left out. They're the only player on the college football landscape with the muscle to stand up to the SEC-ESPN arrangement. Whether they choose to do so or not remains to be seen. It seemed last time around that Delaney and their ADs cared more about the interests of the Rose Bowl than they did their own schools. Let's see what getting left out two years in a row does?
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
It's probably worth mentioning that the playoff has been around for 4 whole years and we really have no idea how it will play out beyond then. What happens if Alabama suddenly becomes human again? Urban leaving OSU could very well change things. To say that any team doesn't have a shot is incredibly premature.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-05-2018 12:00 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: It's probably worth mentioning that the playoff has been around for 4 whole years and we really have no idea how it will play out beyond then. What happens if Alabama suddenly becomes human again? Urban leaving OSU could very well change things. To say that any team doesn't have a shot is incredibly premature.
Any P5 program with 0-1 loss is in the conversation. Where it is interesting is if there are a bunch of 2-3 loss teams vs. 0 loss G5 with wins over P5.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-05-2018 12:00 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: It's probably worth mentioning that the playoff has been around for 4 whole years and we really have no idea how it will play out beyond then. What happens if Alabama suddenly becomes human again? Urban leaving OSU could very well change things. To say that any team doesn't have a shot is incredibly premature.
To me, here's the problem: If you win a major conference title, you should have a reasonable expectation of having a spot in a playoff format. I hate the B10 as much as everyone else around here, but to not have their champion get a spot in the playoffs three years in a row? Couple that with blue bloods like tO$U and Alabama getting passes in when they weren't able to win their conference, and it feel like a illegitimate process of playing favorites.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-05-2018 12:00 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: It's probably worth mentioning that the playoff has been around for 4 whole years and we really have no idea how it will play out beyond then. What happens if Alabama suddenly becomes human again? Urban leaving OSU could very well change things. To say that any team doesn't have a shot is incredibly premature.
If Alabama becomes human again? Georgia fills their slot.
Urban leaving OSU could very well change things? Michigan takes their place.
The names may not be the same, but overall nothing changes.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-05-2018 01:24 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: (12-05-2018 12:00 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: It's probably worth mentioning that the playoff has been around for 4 whole years and we really have no idea how it will play out beyond then. What happens if Alabama suddenly becomes human again? Urban leaving OSU could very well change things. To say that any team doesn't have a shot is incredibly premature.
If Alabama becomes human again? Georgia fills their slot.
Urban leaving OSU could very well change things? Michigan takes their place.
The names may not be the same, but overall nothing changes.
Everyone talks about P5/G5 but the most significant step is between the Bama/Clemson to a lesser extent OSU/OU club to the rest of the P5. These schools are stockpiling insane collections of talent. They've got 5 stars waiting to replace 5 stars. There's a reason 75% of the participants in the playoff have been these four schools. Georgia appears to be ready to join the club but Kirby Smart has really shown an ability to crap the bed in big spots; they'll still probably make it a 5 team club and perhaps Urban leaving keeps it at 4.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(11-20-2018 03:40 PM)AeroCat Wrote: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
Nothing...
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-04-2018 02:00 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: (12-04-2018 01:54 PM)Dannyboy Wrote: (12-04-2018 12:22 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote: (12-04-2018 10:00 AM)TubaCat Wrote: If we win out next year, with that brutal schedule, there is no way we don't make the playoffs. The following year, 2020, however...
Austin Peay
Western Michigan
at Miami (Ohio)
at Nebraska
Nebraska might be anywhere between mediocre and great, but the rest of the OOC schedule is quite lacking. The fact that the Austin Peay game was just announced less than 2 months ago is discomforting. What happened? Is there really no one else available and no time left to wait for one to open up? A quick glance at fbschedules.com shows that Syracuse isn't playing anyone the week of the Austin Peay game, and still has 2 open OOC slots for 2020... I'm sure there are others as well. I guess the fact is that few P5 schools want to play us...
We are never getting into the playoffs as a member of the AAC. Might as well work up a good record to claim the NY6 spot.
Next year we play UCLA, tO$U, Houston, Memphis, Temple, UCF, USF, etc. On the crazy off chance that we went 13-0, UCLA was improved, and tO$U went 12-1 and won the Big Ten, we’d get in. But that’s the type of miracle required for it to happen.
See my post above-- if any combination of Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Texas and OSU were sitting on one loss or less, our chances are nil. We'd have to have some kind of flukey type season were Notre Dame stunk; Wake Forest, Baylor, Oregon State, and Vanderbilt won their P5 conferences with 9-4 or 10-3 records.
No. The scenario described would put us in the playoffs. Get freaking real guys. UCF's strength of record was about #9. Their S&P #8. You can have a discussion about whether 25 straight wins is enough on its own but let's not pretend they have some infallible resume that the committee is shafting. Their best win is Pitt or Cincinnati. If they had beat a team like OSU this year they would certainly be in.
The system is set up so the G5 will likely never make the playoff, at least not any time soon. But it does not automatically preclude us form consideration. At least not so far as we've seen. Again--4 seasons in. Plenty of time to see things change.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-05-2018 08:04 PM)Ring of Black Wrote: (11-20-2018 03:40 PM)AeroCat Wrote: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
Nothing...
ESPN has done it's job.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
Time revealed the answer. Not a darn thing.
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RE: What happens if an unbeaten UCF is excluded again?
(12-03-2018 02:57 PM)OKIcat Wrote: (12-03-2018 01:53 PM)doss2 Wrote: The best chance for expanding to 8 is the make it worthwhile to several P5 conferences. When a conference has been excluded multiple times they may be amenable to expanding to 8.
1. Each P5 conference get it's Champion invited.
2. The highest rated G5 gets invited.
3. The 2 highest rated P5 conference runner ups. Thus no conference would have more than 2 teams invited.
Continue to use existing Bowls for games.
Another idea would be 6 teams:
1. Each P5 Champ
2. Highest rated G5
Top 2 rated get a bye.
In those scenarios, where would Notre Dame have been; out in the cold? I'm no fan of Notre Dame but it seems some decision must be made. I wouldn't want them grabbing the only G5 slot any given year.
Good point so I modify:
1. Each P5 conference get it's Champion invited.
2. The highest rated G5 gets invited.
3. The 2 highest rated from P5 conference runner ups and Notre Damned. Thus no conference would have more than 2 teams invited.
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