(11-21-2018 11:44 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 10:52 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think the complaints about length is just another way of saying "I have a short attention span".

For you guys with Attention Deficit Disorder, here are some possible solutions:

1. Cut the quarters from 15 minutes to 12 or 10.
2. Eliminate the second half.
3. Play in OT style from the git-go.

TV timeouts have ruined football. And my short attention span has nothing to do with that. I just sit in the stands and seethe when that guy in red is stopping the game.

At the USM-Tech game, there were very few red hat incursions thanks to the game being on Stadium. It was a much more enjoyable outing due to the lower number of stoppages.

Students get into every FAU athletic event free because of thier fees. This year FAU gave every student 2 free slices of Pizza at each game and introduced Paradise Pricing. I think it worked the student section was more full this year. A combination of last year success and these efforts.

The game needs more blood. Eliminate all of the rules from the last 20 years that protected players safety. Get rid of targeting and in-the-grasp. The pussification of football is just about complete. It'll be flag football eventually. It's a fricking gladiator sport. It's violent. We. Like. The. Blood.

Kill all the fricken 4 minute stoppages for tv timeouts.

I’m a die hard and these get old fast.

(11-21-2018 09:46 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  The game needs more blood. Eliminate all of the rules from the last 20 years that protected players safety. Get rid of targeting and in-the-grasp. The pussification of football is just about complete. It'll be flag football eventually. It's a fricking gladiator sport. It's violent. We. Like. The. Blood.

Yeah, we all just love seeing our childhood heroes snd favorite athletes deteriorate rapidly and prematurely and/or kill themselves.

Speak for yourself...

The solution is: win.

We've averaged 15K students per game and had over 18K last game.

(11-21-2018 11:44 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 10:52 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think the complaints about length is just another way of saying "I have a short attention span".

For you guys with Attention Deficit Disorder, here are some possible solutions:

1. Cut the quarters from 15 minutes to 12 or 10.
2. Eliminate the second half.
3. Play in OT style from the git-go.

TV timeouts have ruined football. And my short attention span has nothing to do with that. I just sit in the stands and seethe when that guy in red is stopping the game.

Huh? did you say something? I was distracted by the games on my phone... Did something happen on the field?

All kidding aside, I am glad that that YOU are IN the stands.

But for me, I don't want to drive 300 miles, rent a room, and drive back 300 miles the next day for an event that lasts 20 minutes.

yeah, the TV timeouts do kind of break up the flow of the game. But without them, we would not be able to see our teams play on TV, and I remember all too well when that was the case. No such thing as a free lunch,and if the price I have to pay is to sit on my backside for 4 minutes sipping coffee, I can do that.

(11-22-2018 10:22 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 11:44 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 10:52 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think the complaints about length is just another way of saying "I have a short attention span".

For you guys with Attention Deficit Disorder, here are some possible solutions:

1. Cut the quarters from 15 minutes to 12 or 10.
2. Eliminate the second half.
3. Play in OT style from the git-go.

TV timeouts have ruined football. And my short attention span has nothing to do with that. I just sit in the stands and seethe when that guy in red is stopping the game.

Huh? did you say something? I was distracted by the games on my phone... Did something happen on the field?

All kidding aside, I am glad that that YOU are IN the stands.

But for me, I don't want to drive 300 miles, rent a room, and drive back 300 miles the next day for an event that lasts 20 minutes.

yeah, the TV timeouts do kind of break up the flow of the game. But without them, we would not be able to see our teams play on TV, and I remember all too well when that was the case. No such thing as a free lunch,and if the price I have to pay is to sit on my backside for 4 minutes sipping coffee, I can do that.

Twenty minutes? Okay strawman.

The games are too long, acknowledging that is not starting down some slippery slope to twenty minute games, or even two hour games come to that.

Is getting a game that has 60 minutes of game time completed in no more than three hours asking too much?

(11-22-2018 11:06 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 10:22 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 11:44 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  

(11-21-2018 10:52 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I think the complaints about length is just another way of saying "I have a short attention span".

For you guys with Attention Deficit Disorder, here are some possible solutions:

1. Cut the quarters from 15 minutes to 12 or 10.
2. Eliminate the second half.
3. Play in OT style from the git-go.

TV timeouts have ruined football. And my short attention span has nothing to do with that. I just sit in the stands and seethe when that guy in red is stopping the game.

Huh? did you say something? I was distracted by the games on my phone... Did something happen on the field?

All kidding aside, I am glad that that YOU are IN the stands.

But for me, I don't want to drive 300 miles, rent a room, and drive back 300 miles the next day for an event that lasts 20 minutes.

yeah, the TV timeouts do kind of break up the flow of the game. But without them, we would not be able to see our teams play on TV, and I remember all too well when that was the case. No such thing as a free lunch,and if the price I have to pay is to sit on my backside for 4 minutes sipping coffee, I can do that.

Twenty minutes? Okay strawman.

The games are too long, acknowledging that is not starting down some slippery slope to twenty minute games, or even two hour games come to that.

Is getting a game that has 60 minutes of game time completed in no more than three hours asking too much?

It is clearly an exaggeration, although I can see how some less discerning minds might see it as a straw man.

I don't know about you, but I usually don't have an appointment to keep after a game, so I am not as antsy as you.

So, somewhere between 20 minutes and three hours is your ideal length of game. Could you be more specific?

I enjoy football. More of it is better. JMHO. If the clock stoppages allow us to have more plays, fine with me. I have nowhere else to be. I drove 5 hours to see THIS, not to get to some restaurant 30 minutes sooner.

Now some of you want it over quicker, some of you much quicker. I guess you have things to do. Fine with me. You leave early,, I will stay to the end. Everybody happy.

(11-22-2018 08:42 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  The solution is: win.

We've averaged 15K students per game and had over 18K last game.

Considering you have what 55K students? Not good.

It’s a trend everywhere except a handful. Even Saban and the Bama AD called them out for not attending. They’d rather stay on their phones in the frat and sorority houses, eat, drink, have sex and watch MTV. Can you blame them? Lol!

(11-22-2018 11:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 11:06 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Twenty minutes? Okay strawman.

The games are too long, acknowledging that is not starting down some slippery slope to twenty minute games, or even two hour games come to that.

Is getting a game that has 60 minutes of game time completed in no more than three hours asking too much?

It is clearly an exaggeration, although I can see how some less discerning minds might see it as a straw man.

I don't know about you, but I usually don't have an appointment to keep after a game, so I am not as antsy as you.

So, somewhere between 20 minutes and three hours is your ideal length of game. Could you be more specific?

I enjoy football. More of it is better. JMHO. If the clock stoppages allow us to have more plays, fine with me. I have nowhere else to be. I drove 5 hours to see THIS, not to get to some restaurant 30 minutes sooner.

Now some of you want it over quicker, some of you much quicker. I guess you have things to do. Fine with me. You leave early,, I will stay to the end. Everybody happy.

Maybe you can discern this...

Quote:straw man
/ˌstrô ˈman/
noun
1.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

No one is saying that the games should be 20 minutes, but by "exaggerating" the opinion of those who say the games are too long, you make their argument easier to defeat.

And noting that the games are too long has nothing to do with "staying till the end"(I'm pretty sure I left JRF early once and it was ~35 degrees and drizzling and Miss State was in control, even then I stayed into the fourth quarter).

It also has nothing to do with "getting to a restaurant 30 minutes earlier".

If you're comfortable with games taking three and a half hours, why not four? Hell why not seven so long as we're "exaggerating"?

The average football game has 10-15 minutes of legitimate action, I don't think asking for that game to finish inside three hours is asking a lot personally.

(11-22-2018 11:36 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 08:42 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  The solution is: win.

We've averaged 15K students per game and had over 18K last game.

Considering you have what 55K students? Not good.

It’s a trend everywhere except a handful. Even Saban and the Bama AD called them out for not attending. They’d rather stay on their phones in the frat and sorority houses, eat, drink, have sex and watch MTV. Can you blame them? Lol!

Here's someone clearly in tune with America's young people.

Are you sure they aren't listening to their disc man or watching In Living Color?

We all know that overall attendance at college football games has been declining for years. Our games are suffering from similar conditions that have plagued brick and mortar businesses for years... Convenience. It is easier for people to sit on their couches and watch the games on TV, or in our case, the internet.

Is there a solution to this problem? Yes, but only for programs that are creative and willing to invest in expanding the fan experience.

The solution is to create unique experiences that can't be replicated at home. The entire game day experience must be the draw. If all your program is offering fans is a good or even great game, it isn't going to be enough. Concessions can't just be bland hot dogs and popcorn. They must be unique fan friendly foods that fans can't access anywhere else. Tailgating must offer university generated interactive pregame prediction shows on a central stage, where knowledgeable host discuss the upcoming game, and interview coaches, and related experts. The pregame show should even crown a fan for hosting the tailgate of the day. The in game experience needs to offer interactive opportunities also. Fans should be asked to text or post responses to social media regarding players of the game, top play of the game, and other opinions. I have other ideas too, and could go into more depth about these ideas, but don't want to bore everyone.

(11-22-2018 12:33 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  We all know that overall attendance at college football games has been declining for years. Our games are suffering from similar conditions that have plagued brick and mortar businesses for years... connivance. It is easier for people to sit on their couches and watch the games on TV, or in our case, the internet.

Is there a solution to this problem? Yes, but only for programs that are creative and willing to invest in expanding the fan experience.

The solution is to create unique experiences that can't be replicated at home. The entire game day experience must be the draw. If all your program is offering fans is a good or even great game, it isn't going to be enough. Concessions can't just be bland hot dogs and popcorn. They must be unique fan friendly foods that fans can't access anywhere else. Tailgating must offer university generated interactive pregame prediction shows on a central stage, where knowledgeable host discuss the upcoming game, and interview coaches, and related experts. The pregame show should even crown a fan for hosting the tailgate of the day. The in game experience needs to offer interactive opportunities also. Fans should be asked to text of post responses to social media regarding players of the game, and the top play of the game. I have other ideas too, and could go into more depth about these ideas, but don't want to bore everyone.

Y’all have a nice setup for the students with the “hill” for tailgating on the student side. The Tech & UNT game this year was probably the best atmosphere for a G5 game I’ve ever attended. It actually was better than a lot of P5 games I’ve attended. I agree with many of your suggestions posted above too.

(11-22-2018 11:52 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 11:31 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 11:06 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Twenty minutes? Okay strawman.

The games are too long, acknowledging that is not starting down some slippery slope to twenty minute games, or even two hour games come to that.

Is getting a game that has 60 minutes of game time completed in no more than three hours asking too much?

It is clearly an exaggeration, although I can see how some less discerning minds might see it as a straw man.

I don't know about you, but I usually don't have an appointment to keep after a game, so I am not as antsy as you.

So, somewhere between 20 minutes and three hours is your ideal length of game. Could you be more specific?

I enjoy football. More of it is better. JMHO. If the clock stoppages allow us to have more plays, fine with me. I have nowhere else to be. I drove 5 hours to see THIS, not to get to some restaurant 30 minutes sooner.

Now some of you want it over quicker, some of you much quicker. I guess you have things to do. Fine with me. You leave early,, I will stay to the end. Everybody happy.

Maybe you can discern this...

Quote:straw man
/ˌstrô ˈman/
noun
1.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.

No one is saying that the games should be 20 minutes, but by "exaggerating" the opinion of those who say the games are too long, you make their argument easier to defeat.

And noting that the games are too long has nothing to do with "staying till the end"(I'm pretty sure I left JRF early once and it was ~35 degrees and drizzling and Miss State was in control, even then I stayed into the fourth quarter).

It also has nothing to do with "getting to a restaurant 30 minutes earlier".

If you're comfortable with games taking three and a half hours, why not four? Hell why not seven so long as we're "exaggerating"?

The average football game has 10-15 minutes of legitimate action, I don't think asking for that game to finish inside three hours is6 asking a lot personally.

If nobody has anyplace to go, what’s the problem with longer games?

I guess using your definitions, the seven hour game you suggest is a strawman? I would have taken it as an exaggeration for emphasis, but that’s just the way I think. I hope nobody ever tells you something will just take a New YorkMinute or two shakes of a lamb’s tale. Not everybody is assuming that every word said is literal.

In any case, I don’t care if the game takes three hours, and I don’t want to see it shortened very much. I am not in a hurry to go someplace else and do something else.

Yes there is a lot of time spent out of play, but that is the nature of a game that does not have continuous action. Football is not Futbol.

(11-22-2018 05:44 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If nobody has anyplace to go, what’s the problem with longer games?

I guess using your definitions, the seven hour game you suggest is a strawman? I would have taken it as an exaggeration for emphasis, but that’s just the way I think. I hope nobody ever tells you something will just take a New YorkMinute or two shakes of a lamb’s tale. Not everybody is assuming that every word said is literal.

In any case, I don’t care if the game takes three hours, and I don’t want to see it shortened very much. I am not in a hurry to go someplace else and do something else.

Yes there is a lot of time spent out of play, but that is the nature of a game that does not have continuous action. Football is not Futbol.

Not wanting to "get to a restaurant 30 minutes earlier" =/= "everybody has no place to go".

I think your perspective as someone who drives five hours to get there and stays in a hotel may be a bit skewed. What percentage of fans do you believe come from that far? I'd expect the Rice football fans who live in or around Houston are far more likely to have other plans/commitments on a Saturday than you.

As for discerning minds, you seem to be confusing well known idioms like "New York minute" or "two shakes of a lamb's tail" with straw man arguments or "exaggerating for emphasis". I understand both those idioms, I.also understood you weren't being literal when you said "20 minutes" which should have been clear by my pointing out that it was a straw man argument.

I also don't care if the game takes three hours, but I think that's about the upper limit of reasonable game length for a regulation game but we're continuing to trend closer and closer to average game time of three and a half hours, which is just too long for a game with 10-15 minutes of legitimate action.

North Texas spends a lot of effort during orientation to get students to know our athletic culture. Freshman have an all day event that includes going to Apogee, learning the fight song and Alma Mater, our traditions, and they run onto the field after touching Spiriki, the bronze eagle near the team entrance.

They are also given a speech about the importance of athletic support by either the AD or the president.

Now of course you have to win, but I for one was stunned at how many of our students turned out for a 8:30 Thursday kickoff. Thursday is the traditional day in Denton in which house parties and clubs have special events. That wouldn't have happened if we were losing, but it also wouldn't have happened five years ago before we did all that pro Athletics talk during orientation.

(11-22-2018 11:36 AM)SVHerd Wrote:  

(11-22-2018 08:42 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  The solution is: win.

We've averaged 15K students per game and had over 18K last game.

Considering you have what 55K students? Not good.

It’s a trend everywhere except a handful. Even Saban and the Bama AD called them out for not attending. They’d rather stay on their phones in the frat and sorority houses, eat, drink, have sex and watch MTV. Can you blame them? Lol!

Wow did you just reference MTV as if that’s still a thing?

PS- we turned away thousands of students on Saturday. It was 18K because of capacity but could have been 20k or more. But sure, not good.

Guess I'm in the minority here but I have absolutely no problem with how long FB games are. I love football. I can kinda see how some may feel different if their rooting teams have continually sucked...?

(11-22-2018 08:09 PM)TTT Wrote:  Guess I'm in the minority here but I have absolutely no problem with how long FB games are. I love football. I can kinda see how some may feel different if their rooting teams have continually sucked...?