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UC is #36 in total offense at 441 yards a game.
#18 in rushing offense, #93 passing offense.
#35 scoring offense (tied with BC).

Total Defense #10
Scoring Defense #14
Rushing Defense #9
 
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(11-19-2018 02:27 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  You know what is crazy, Zac Taylor is now a hot name for head coaching jobs and has really helped the Rams offense.

Part of me wonders if Tuberville was holding him back when he was running the offense during his UC stint.

Talent.

Hayden Moore was his QB here. He's now playing with an elite QB, and an elite RB, and a lot of other talent around him.




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This... and I will add that I think Taylor walked into a crappy situation here. The fan base was already done with Tubs and the AD had to be laying the heat down on the staff. I think there was something strange going on in the locker room with the whole Gunner/Hayden/Ross Trail saga and I don't know if that something a young coach with limited experience could easily deal with. Not to mention his coaching peers in that room were a bunch of guys with limited experience as well (Nick Grimes, Ty Linder and Blake Rolan).
 
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(11-19-2018 03:05 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 02:35 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 02:27 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  You know what is crazy, Zac Taylor is now a hot name for head coaching jobs and has really helped the Rams offense.

Part of me wonders if Tuberville was holding him back when he was running the offense during his UC stint.

Talent.

Hayden Moore was his QB here. He's now playing with an elite QB, and an elite RB, and a lot of other talent around him.




mc

This... and I will add that I think Taylor walked into a crappy situation here. The fan base was already done with Tubs and the AD had to be laying the heat down on the staff. I think there was something strange going on in the locker room with the whole Gunner/Hayden/Ross Trail saga and I don't know if that something a young coach with limited experience could easily deal with. Not to mention his coaching peers in that room were a bunch of guys with limited experience as well (Nick Grimes, Ty Linder and Blake Rolan).

Tubs was never honest and constantly laid the blame of Gunner not playing on Taylor.

One particular poster who is no longer here was very vociferous that Taylor was garbage, but I still maintain anyone who could make Ryan Tannehill look like a decent NFL QB is a coach of considerable skill.
 
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(11-19-2018 04:17 PM)cpawfan Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 03:05 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 02:35 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 02:27 PM)BigDawg Wrote:  You know what is crazy, Zac Taylor is now a hot name for head coaching jobs and has really helped the Rams offense.

Part of me wonders if Tuberville was holding him back when he was running the offense during his UC stint.

Talent.

Hayden Moore was his QB here. He's now playing with an elite QB, and an elite RB, and a lot of other talent around him.




mc

This... and I will add that I think Taylor walked into a crappy situation here. The fan base was already done with Tubs and the AD had to be laying the heat down on the staff. I think there was something strange going on in the locker room with the whole Gunner/Hayden/Ross Trail saga and I don't know if that something a young coach with limited experience could easily deal with. Not to mention his coaching peers in that room were a bunch of guys with limited experience as well (Nick Grimes, Ty Linder and Blake Rolan).

Tubs was never honest and constantly laid the blame of Gunner not playing on Taylor.

One particular poster who is no longer here was very vociferous that Taylor was garbage, but I still maintain anyone who could make Ryan Tannehill look like a decent NFL QB is a coach of considerable skill.

Yeah. I just wonder how much Tuberville held him back. Did he make him play it too vanilla? Who really made the starting QB call?
 
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(11-19-2018 11:46 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I have to question if Des Ridder finds another place in the offense, maybe as a wide receiver or special package QB, when Ben Bryant comes of age.

Lol

As they say, the backup quarterback is everyone's favorite player




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(11-19-2018 04:42 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 11:46 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I have to question if Des Ridder finds another place in the offense, maybe as a wide receiver or special package QB, when Ben Bryant comes of age.

Lol

As they say, the backup quarterback is everyone's favorite player



mc

That's not to disparage Ridder by any means. He's a serviceable QB who has done well primarily due to his legs. And he's a decent thrower. But he's clearly still limited.

Ben Bryant had an offer from Georgia. Think about the Quarterbacks that are on Georgia's roster. It's no secret he's a big part of the staff's future plans. However, as it stands now he would likely spend 3 years of eligibility sitting behind Desmond Rider. I think it's fair to think about things getting a little murky down the road.
 
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(11-19-2018 11:48 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  
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(11-19-2018 10:54 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  Fans believe in scheme, coaches believe in talent. UC just got its butt whipped by a better team. Weak OL, mediocre QB, poor kicker...what did people expect? This season still represents a huge turnaround.

UC wasn't much better offensively this year than last year and still made a ton of mistakes on that side of the ball. However, the defensive turnaround was incredible.

I actually disagree. At home UC offense was really good. Road offense wasn’t improved. I though UC had improved playmaking on that side of the ball. Cats offense last year win UC the Ohio, USF, or SMU game.

Bearcats were 82nd this year in offensive S&P and were 100 last year, so there was SOME improvement, but it was limited. Last I checked even the limited offensive improvement was run specific. The passing game was just as bad overall as last season.

Exactly. The game today is all about passing. Unless you’re the Bengals, it’s much easier to defend a one dimensional run offense than a one dimensional pass offense. Hello Monday Night Football.
 
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My main complaint has been the lack of creativity in the run game. There are so many simple plays/packages we could've installed to keep the defense guessing instead of inside zone read.

1. Jet sweeps - McClelland is great in space. Why not put him (or Jayshon) in the slot and create some havoc that way? Even if you don't give him the ball, just sending a guy in motion often gets the LBs moving a different direction. This is big staple for many teams in CFB and we don't use it at all.

2. Speed option - I know you don't want Ridder taking too many hits but another simple way to get outside quickly

3. You can still run counters, misdirections, and quick pitches out of shotgun. Maybe try some Pistol action.


Hopefully with Ridder having a year experience under his belt we see some new things next year. But I don't want to sound too negative. It's been a phenomenal year.
 
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Ridder has been a huge part of us being where we are, but if Ben Bryant is the better QB in the spring, they'll find a way to use him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a series or two in a bowl game either.
 
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(11-20-2018 08:52 AM)bearcat18 Wrote:  My main complaint has been the lack of creativity in the run game. There are so many simple plays/packages we could've installed to keep the defense guessing instead of inside zone read.

1. Jet sweeps - McClelland is great in space. Why not put him (or Jayshon) in the slot and create some havoc that way? Even if you don't give him the ball, just sending a guy in motion often gets the LBs moving a different direction. This is big staple for many teams in CFB and we don't use it at all.

2. Speed option - I know you don't want Ridder taking too many hits but another simple way to get outside quickly

3. You can still run counters, misdirections, and quick pitches out of shotgun. Maybe try some Pistol action.


Hopefully with Ridder having a year experience under his belt we see some new things next year. But I don't want to sound too negative. It's been a phenomenal year.

My thoughts on each point:

1. I too wondered about jet sweeps, but thinking this out I have to wonder if the coaches are concerned about the protection from the perimeter receivers and the offensive line. Blocking the edges is the major component of jet sweeps and jet power reads. This again goes to develop of the offensive line and the wide receiver group.

2. I made the comment a week or two ago on here that I did not understand what happened to the speed option. We were running it to perfection in the UCLA game and had the Bruin defense gassed in the second quarter. We went away from it in the second half and we hadn't seen it since all season. A speed option is tailor-built for a dual threat QB like Ridder and the backs we have.

3. Agree.
 
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(11-19-2018 10:54 AM)Former Lurker Wrote:  Fans believe in scheme, coaches believe in talent. UC just got its butt whipped by a better team. Weak OL, mediocre QB, poor kicker...what did people expect? This season still represents a huge turnaround.

+1, could not agree more.
 
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(11-19-2018 11:39 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 04:42 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 11:46 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I have to question if Des Ridder finds another place in the offense, maybe as a wide receiver or special package QB, when Ben Bryant comes of age.

Lol

As they say, the backup quarterback is everyone's favorite player



mc

That's not to disparage Ridder by any means. He's a serviceable QB who has done well primarily due to his legs. And he's a decent thrower. But he's clearly still limited.

Ben Bryant had an offer from Georgia. Think about the Quarterbacks that are on Georgia's roster. It's no secret he's a big part of the staff's future plans. However, as it stands now he would likely spend 3 years of eligibility sitting behind Desmond Rider. I think it's fair to think about things getting a little murky down the road.

Ridder is a redshirt freshman. This year's performance, including his throwing, has been pretty impressive and it isn't as if he has regressed during the year. I think some off season coaching will help. I trust the coaches. Whoever they decide is the starting QB (now or next spring), I trust they are truly doing what is best for the team.

Check expectations vs. reality. The coaches are winning that game. We got beaten by a better team Saturday but played with them the first half. Even though the OL has played well recently, I have been concerned about them all year. Here's hoping Crook has the next round of players ready for next year so we don't have another piecemeal front 5. All things considered, though, they have played pretty well. Double digit wins this year were not expected.
 
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The Bearcats are 101st in passing S&P+. Bottom line is they were a bad pass offense this year. That and their kicking game are the two glaring weaknesses that must be addressed. Hopefully, another year of development for Ridder will be the answer. They looked good in a few stretches against the bad defenses on their schedule, but mostly struggled all year.
 
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(11-19-2018 11:39 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 04:42 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 11:46 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I have to question if Des Ridder finds another place in the offense, maybe as a wide receiver or special package QB, when Ben Bryant comes of age.

Lol

As they say, the backup quarterback is everyone's favorite player



mc

That's not to disparage Ridder by any means. He's a serviceable QB who has done well primarily due to his legs. And he's a decent thrower. But he's clearly still limited.

Ben Bryant had an offer from Georgia. Think about the Quarterbacks that are on Georgia's roster. It's no secret he's a big part of the staff's future plans. However, as it stands now he would likely spend 3 years of eligibility sitting behind Desmond Rider. I think it's fair to think about things getting a little murky down the road.

Subjective opinions aside, let's look a bit closer. Is Des only serviceable? Is his success primarily due to his legs?

G. Kiel (2015) 206 of 316 65.2% // 2777 yds // 8.8 y/a // 19TDs v 11INT // 151.9 rating
H. Moore (2016) 146 of 255 57.3% // 1744 yds // 6.8 y/a // 11 TD v 7 INT // 123.4 rating
H. Moore (2017) 239 of 424 56.4% // 2562 yds // 6.0 y/a // 20TD v 9 INT // 118.4 rating (312 yds rushing // 4TDs) 2874 total yards
D. Ridder (2018) 170 of 275 61.8% // 2024 yds // 7.4 y/a // 15TD v 5 INT // 138 rating (567 yds rushing // 5 TDs) 2591 total yards

Looking at this objectively Des is the best passer we've had at UC since 2015. Period. Full stop. All of which makes it so much more comical when people suggest bringing in Moore as if he offers some tangible advantage.

Guys, it's not a zero sum game. You can add value with your legs without losing something as a passer. It's an additive asset. As seductive as it is to pigeonhole Des as just a serviceable running QB, the truth of the matter is that he is better than that, and he has a ceiling that is quite high. So much so that he made it easy to bench a truly serviceable QB like, Moore. He's a RS frosh who has performed better than the the last 2 guys who manned the position as more experienced QBs - of course, Kiel's SO season is the gold standard over the last 5 years.

By all accounts Des is having an excellent freshman year. Is his touch on point all the way around now? No, of course not. He's just getting started. Furthermore, if you eliminate the addictive bonus of his legs you create an offense that's potentially less dynamic. What we do know, however, is that he has an excellent QB coach, and now he's battle tested.

Personally, I can see Bryant sitting behind Des for a couple of years, and getting increasingly worked into the rotation over the next couple of years. Sans an injury, idk that he ever supplants, Des. That said, it'll be interesting to hear reports from Spring Ball, and Fall camp. Just to hear how Bryant is developing. The best teams see their position groups pushed along by competition, so by all means I'm hoping Bryant is good.





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(11-19-2018 04:42 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 11:46 AM)Cataclysmo Wrote:  I have to question if Des Ridder finds another place in the offense, maybe as a wide receiver or special package QB, when Ben Bryant comes of age.

Lol

As they say, the backup quarterback is everyone's favorite player




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I thought that was the guy that was currently redshirting?
 
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Bryant to QB. Ridder to WR and runs Bearcat.
 
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Ya know, sometimes ya gotta drive the truck you got, not the truck ya wished ya had.

The OC can't always give the WR's more speed for separation.
If the OL has some pass blocking issues, you run more.

While Denbrock has yet to earn my eternal admiration, I don't think it is fair to throw him under the bus. (Fun speculation, maybe. Fair, no.)
 
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(11-20-2018 08:52 AM)bearcat18 Wrote:  My main complaint has been the lack of creativity in the run game. There are so many simple plays/packages we could've installed to keep the defense guessing instead of inside zone read.

1. Jet sweeps - McClelland is great in space. Why not put him (or Jayshon) in the slot and create some havoc that way? Even if you don't give him the ball, just sending a guy in motion often gets the LBs moving a different direction. This is big staple for many teams in CFB and we don't use it at all.

2. Speed option - I know you don't want Ridder taking too many hits but another simple way to get outside quickly

3. You can still run counters, misdirections, and quick pitches out of shotgun. Maybe try some Pistol action.


Hopefully with Ridder having a year experience under his belt we see some new things next year. But I don't want to sound too negative. It's been a phenomenal year.

Thanks for the analysis above.

Really enjoyed reading through this thread.
 
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(11-20-2018 09:29 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(11-20-2018 08:52 AM)bearcat18 Wrote:  My main complaint has been the lack of creativity in the run game. There are so many simple plays/packages we could've installed to keep the defense guessing instead of inside zone read.

1. Jet sweeps - McClelland is great in space. Why not put him (or Jayshon) in the slot and create some havoc that way? Even if you don't give him the ball, just sending a guy in motion often gets the LBs moving a different direction. This is big staple for many teams in CFB and we don't use it at all.

2. Speed option - I know you don't want Ridder taking too many hits but another simple way to get outside quickly

3. You can still run counters, misdirections, and quick pitches out of shotgun. Maybe try some Pistol action.


Hopefully with Ridder having a year experience under his belt we see some new things next year. But I don't want to sound too negative. It's been a phenomenal year.

My thoughts on each point:

1. I too wondered about jet sweeps, but thinking this out I have to wonder if the coaches are concerned about the protection from the perimeter receivers and the offensive line. Blocking the edges is the major component of jet sweeps and jet power reads. This again goes to develop of the offensive line and the wide receiver group.

2. I made the comment a week or two ago on here that I did not understand what happened to the speed option. We were running it to perfection in the UCLA game and had the Bruin defense gassed in the second quarter. We went away from it in the second half and we hadn't seen it since all season. A speed option is tailor-built for a dual threat QB like Ridder and the backs we have.

3. Agree.

In response to point 1:

In general in sports you need to mix things up. One play here or there with a different scheme keeps the defense guessing. It may move the linebackers. Put some pressure on the defense.

One thing I did like even though he doesn’t throw a real precise deep ball, they kept taking some shots down the field. That keep them guessing. That’s what kills me about our basketball team offense, we typically just walk it up over the years and the defense just get to relax. Why not probe, RUN Down the court, and see if somethings there. Make the D get mentally fatigued from constantly reading the offense etc.
 
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(11-22-2018 11:08 AM)ZCat Wrote:  
(11-20-2018 09:29 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(11-20-2018 08:52 AM)bearcat18 Wrote:  My main complaint has been the lack of creativity in the run game. There are so many simple plays/packages we could've installed to keep the defense guessing instead of inside zone read.

1. Jet sweeps - McClelland is great in space. Why not put him (or Jayshon) in the slot and create some havoc that way? Even if you don't give him the ball, just sending a guy in motion often gets the LBs moving a different direction. This is big staple for many teams in CFB and we don't use it at all.

2. Speed option - I know you don't want Ridder taking too many hits but another simple way to get outside quickly

3. You can still run counters, misdirections, and quick pitches out of shotgun. Maybe try some Pistol action.


Hopefully with Ridder having a year experience under his belt we see some new things next year. But I don't want to sound too negative. It's been a phenomenal year.

My thoughts on each point:

1. I too wondered about jet sweeps, but thinking this out I have to wonder if the coaches are concerned about the protection from the perimeter receivers and the offensive line. Blocking the edges is the major component of jet sweeps and jet power reads. This again goes to develop of the offensive line and the wide receiver group.

2. I made the comment a week or two ago on here that I did not understand what happened to the speed option. We were running it to perfection in the UCLA game and had the Bruin defense gassed in the second quarter. We went away from it in the second half and we hadn't seen it since all season. A speed option is tailor-built for a dual threat QB like Ridder and the backs we have.

3. Agree.

In response to point 1:

In general in sports you need to mix things up. One play here or there with a different scheme keeps the defense guessing. It may move the linebackers. Put some pressure on the defense.

One thing I did like even though he doesn’t throw a real precise deep ball, they kept taking some shots down the field. That keep them guessing. That’s what kills me about our basketball team offense, we typically just walk it up over the years and the defense just get to relax. Why not probe, RUN Down the court, and see if somethings there. Make the D get mentally fatigued from constantly reading the offense etc.

I think I lost you a little when you mixed up your sports, but I think I get the gist of what you're saying.
 
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