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(11-19-2018 09:21 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 09:11 AM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  Bottom line, I see this as a lazy hire. I would have much rather seen Huge go after Shoop (she may have) or call Chris Pederson at Washington, who I think is the best coach in the college game right now

Wait... what??? You guys think we're pulling Chris Peterson, a former national coach of the year who's been to multiple BCS bowls and is about to win his second PAC-12 title in three years with a top-10 team, to WM??? This board is out of its damn mind. No wonder people are unhappy with London if that's the delusions people have.


Ok I’m all for blasting dumb comments, but read his whole thing. He didn’t say hire him, but ask who he thinks the top three young assistants are.


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(11-19-2018 08:12 AM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 07:59 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 07:53 AM)Tribal Wrote:  London

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If it is, it is a good hire. CAA history with success. High character. American football coaches association 2017 coach of the year. Knows and recruits the tidewater well. Track record of bringing high level athletes to high academic schools. If he can pull off solid coordinators, it is a home run IMO.

Completely disagree. Having watched the slowly unfolding disaster that was Virginia football under his leadership, I see this as a poor omen for our football program. All one has to do is talk to the Virginia staff about the condition of the program when they arrived. Non-existent player development, no discipline, and a pattern of prematurely burning redshirts, making erratic in-game decisions, etc.
All of this may be right. Also it could all be just as equally wrong depending on who tells the story. It's common practice to bash a previous coaches job when you are the new savior brought on to right the ship. Not saying there weren't problems or issues with the program, just to take these descriptions with a grain of salt.

FBS and FCS are 2 completely different animals. I can separate FCS success from FBS disappointment. The 1 constant at each stop, regardless of wins, was bringing in talent. UVA had 10 guys drafted that London coached or recruited. His FCS teams have dominated. I'm not sure what the deal is with this seasons Howard defense, but the offense has averaged over 30 points per game. Different competition in the CAA, but if we put up anywhere close to 30 points a game, we will win a lot.
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(11-19-2018 09:21 AM)Tribe2011 Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 09:11 AM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  Bottom line, I see this as a lazy hire. I would have much rather seen Huge go after Shoop (she may have) or call Chris Pederson at Washington, who I think is the best coach in the college game right now

Wait... what??? You guys think we're pulling Chris Peterson, a former national coach of the year who's been to multiple BCS bowls and is about to win his second PAC-12 title in three years with a top-10 team, to WM??? This board is out of its damn mind. No wonder people are unhappy with London if that's the delusions people have.

Chill out.

The poster wasn't indicating that we go after Peterson.

The poster suggested that Peterson be called to identify a hot shot co-ordinator to be the next HC.
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BTW, all of us have no / little practice with analyzing a head football coaching hire at W&M ... when the last hire was made, the public Internet and this site did not exist.
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If true, this is just a safe hire. London is already 58 ~59, so we might need a new coach in 5~6 years. Huge has been bold, but not on this one.
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(11-19-2018 09:31 AM)tribeintexas Wrote:  If true, this is just a safe hire. London is already 58 ~59, so we might need a new coach in 5~6 years. Huge has been bold, but not on this one.

My buddies made the same point.

We are going to find out during Coach London's tenure whether JL will be difficult to replace, and the type of coach needed to succeed at W&M in football.

Been 39 years since that question was last raised, and W&M went from 1-A to FCS during that time.
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wow...from an outsider, this hire is curious.

I could understand had he won more than 11 games at Howard, but against that level of competition, those returns are underwhelming. And the UVa dumpster fire has been well chronicled.

I guess we'll see who he brings in as assistants.
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Regardless of what we think of London, he took a 2-9 team and took them to 7-4 within a year. I understand the level of competition factor, but that’s impressive by itself. I think this is a safe hire, and like another poster said, we will probably need another hire in 5-6 years.
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(11-19-2018 09:31 AM)tribeintexas Wrote:  If true, this is just a safe hire. London is already 58 ~59, so we might need a new coach in 5~6 years. Huge has been bold, but not on this one.
Huge may have ultimately pulled the trigger, but by all accounts, there were a lot of people consulted. A lot of people probably more connected and knowledgeable than most of us.
Give it time. JL will be tough to follow, but I think it is the smart hire for where the program is right now.
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Well, what will be interesting is playing in C-ville next September, and playing at Richmond in November. Quite a few ex-Wahoo players on his current staff.

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On the age thing, London at 58 is seven years younger than new Kansas HC Les Mikes at 65. No matter who we hired, I don’t think we were getting 39 years out of the successor.


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(11-19-2018 09:34 AM)nj alum Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 09:31 AM)tribeintexas Wrote:  If true, this is just a safe hire. London is already 58 ~59, so we might need a new coach in 5~6 years. Huge has been bold, but not on this one.

My buddies made the same point.

We are going to find out during Coach London's tenure whether JL will be difficult to replace, and the type of coach needed to succeed at W&M in football.

Been 39 years since that question was last raised, and W&M went from 1-A to FCS during that time.

+1, no reason to overreact. We have no idea who the assistants will be, no idea of what anything is going to look like. At worst, this would be the transition hire from Coach Laycock to whoever the long term successor is in the future. At best, London recruits very well, the offense is explosive, the games are exciting, and the fan base is generally happy. There will be some added spark to the UVA and Richmond games next year. It would seem to me that cost(salary) might be a limiting factor in any hire for us. For all the talk of what a dumpster fire things were at UVA, the reality was that UVA was terrible when London arrived and he did recruit a fair amount of talent. He also did well at Richmond. To me, it seems like a decent number of us would complain if the hire was anyone other than Mike Tomlin or Sean McDermott. Delusional doesn't even begin to describe anyone that actually thought that was really going to happen. Fun to dream, but a dream is all that thinking is. London won an FCS championship and many of us here remember the 2007-2009 games the Tribe had against the Spiders. He can coach, has had some significant success at the FCS level, and has ties to Coach Laycock and W&M as well. Maybe it wasn't Boone or Corley(which I would have liked too), but it is a good hire.
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(11-19-2018 09:11 AM)ttgwm02 Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 07:23 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  London's play calling & in-game management is definitely up for debate. What isn't debatable is his record at the FCS level and his ability to recruit high level athletes. In his 2 years in Richmond and 2 years at Howard, he is 35-15 at the FCS level. Last season, his 1st at Howard, he coached 6 guys to all-conference and the rookie of the year. They also had the largest upset by point spread in NCAA history when they beat UNLV. This season, his team has uncharacteristically struggled defensively. It seems more of a blip than a trend. Offensively, they have lit it up.

I've mentioned this before. College football success, especially at the FCS level, is all in your athletes. Recruiting high level kids. Out athleting an opponent will beat out coaching most every time. Look at JMU. We will compete and compete hard. The athletic difference, however, was daunting and will wear a team down. If we bring in London and he is bringing in a steady crop of 3* athletes, the occasional head scratching decisions aren't going to matter much. Players will make plays.

Ironically, this contradicts everything that JL accomplished at W&M. How many underrecruited players became highly effective players under his tutelage? Just in the last ten years?

Some say London recruited well at Richmond. But the players that won in 08 and 09 were all there when he arrived. He was at UVA in 07-08. Clawson built an incredible foundation there. London gets credit for the wins, and he did beat the best team we ever had, but to say he recruited them is incorrect.

At UVA, he landed some splashy recruits, but how many lived up to their hype? Think of Andrew Brown, Darius Jennings, Smoke Mizzell ... the list goes on. Bronco inherited an absolute mess. The success UVA has had the last two years reflects an approach far more consistent with Laycock than London. And remember when London played an overweight Phil Simms for the better part of a season, after Simms was removed from Alabama? He displaced two highly competent quarterbacks to take a chance on a highly touted transfer who didn’t have the support of the team. Is there a better example of the contrast with JL? Remember JL going with Callahan in 10 over Paulus? I certainly beat him up over that on here, but he was right, and I was wrong.

London has also never operated under recruiting restrictions that in any way approach what he will have at W&M.

Bottom line, I see this as a lazy hire. I would have much rather seen Huge go after Shoop (she may have) or call Chris Pederson at Washington, who I think is the best coach in the college game right now, and ask for the names of the three best young coordinators he knows that are ready to run a program. Maybe she did that. Who knows.

Shoop makes over a million a year, we're not offering that, and I'm not sure why Peterson would return a phone call from us.
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London should be able to hire a stronger staff than he had at Howard and he should have ample connections from his different stops. I think he hires new coordinators, but it wouldn't shock me if he keeps a number of the current assistants to ease the transition, if they want to stay. Just a hunch, the Howard D coordinator isn't coming. I'm probably wrong though. He's stayed with him at every stop so far.

Was any of our current staff here when London was here before? Maybe London tries to bring along his offensive coordinator, but I wouldn't be surprised if Howard didn't try to elevate him. Looking at the Howard coaching staff, there are a number of intriguing young coaches. Many have ties to the state of Virginia and played for London. I see them definitely getting the nod over the young Laycock coaches.
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Excited to hear every game about how London used to be a cop.
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The real question for me is: who will be the new OC? It would surprise me if London brings his staff over from Howard. It would surprise me more if we retain Mangas in his current role.

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(11-19-2018 10:10 AM)zablenoise Wrote:  The real question for me is: who will be the new OC? It would surprise me if London brings his staff over from Howard. It would surprise me more if we retain Mangas in his current role.

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Perhaps his sights are set higher, but I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to bring much of his offensive staff. They seem young, inexpensive, and productive. Higher profile gig might make available guys he likes more though.
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Odds are probable that the first two years will be a splash. People forget that besides winning the FCS NC and going to the quarters at UR, he was ACC Coach of the Year in his second year at UVA. The question is what will transpire beyond that in building/maintaining a solid foundation.

Would love to see Elijah Brooks brought into the fold.

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Hopefully Coach London will recruit the players and staff that will make him successful at W&M. Given our budgetary restrictions, at 58 yo Coach London may provide stability for a longer period than a young hotshot assistant who would want to move up quickly a la Coach Holtz.
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