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Wazzu pots 55 at halftime
How many times has a P5 put up 55 at halftime against a P5?
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(11-18-2018 12:25 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  How many times has a P5 put up 55 at halftime against a P5?

I don't know, but I'm pretty sure their point is they are trying to impress the voters, especially since their only loss was on a lousy call at the end of the game. All things being fair they would be undefeated.

Michigan struggled with Indiana. Ohio State truly struggled with Maryland. Oklahoma needed 4 qtrs to separate from Kansas. And WVU got dropped by a 5-5 OSU. Should Alabama beat Georgia, and I'm feeling like they might, WASU should be able to make a case, especially if they were to boat race Washington.
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Arizona "helped" Wazzu out quite a bit. Wazzu squib kicked after one of their TDs, the Arizona players just watched the ball, and Wazzu recovered it in the end zone for another TD. Here it is.

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I've watched a good bit of the 1st half and Arizona is absolutely horrible. I have no idea how they've won 5 games.

Wazzu in the CFP would be interesting. Mike Leach is a character, they are the consummate underdog, and the only potential representative from the Western half of the country. Is it plausible?

If Oklahoma doesn't lose again then they've got a great shot at moving into the top 4.

ND should probably get past USC, but you never know.

I'm not sold on Michigan as they've already lost to Notre Dame and I think the committee will frown on a regular season rematch. Meanwhile, Ohio State looms on the schedule so I'm not sure they'll survive anyway. If Michigan does win out then I think they'd rather have ND in the CFP anyway so I don't see UM getting the benefit of the doubt being that they'll have no quality wins out of conference.

BTW, if Ohio State wins out then will they have the resume to jump everyone? Would the CFP factor in the scandal and purpose to keep Urban Meyer out?

Georgia will have a tough time unless they win the SEC title game. I would give LSU a better chance, but they already have 2 losses and they didn't look great against Bama.

Wazzu has a path, but they need help.
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And Wazzu is doubly cursed because they played no decent opponents out of conference. Upon review, I don't think they have a shot.
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IMO here's what Wazzu needs, in addition to winning out.

-- Alabama wins the SEC.

-- Oklahoma loses a game.

-- Probably also need Northwestern to win the Big Ten, even though Wazzu is currently ahead of Ohio State in the committee's rankings.

-- If 2 of those first 3 things happen, Wazzu also needs Notre Dame or Clemson to lose a game and have the committee weigh the late loss heavily enough to put that team behind Wazzu.
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(11-18-2018 01:53 AM)Wedge Wrote:  IMO here's what Wazzu needs, in addition to winning out.

-- Alabama wins the SEC.

-- Oklahoma loses a game.

-- Probably also need Northwestern to win the Big Ten, even though Wazzu is currently ahead of Ohio State in the committee's rankings.

-- If 2 of those first 3 things happen, Wazzu also needs Notre Dame or Clemson to lose a game and have the committee weigh the late loss heavily enough to put that team behind Wazzu.

Actually if Alabama, Clemson, and Notre Dame win out what Wazzu needs is for this to happen.

West Virginia beats Oklahoma on the last week of the regular season. The Big 12 is eliminated.

Michigan beats Ohio State. Northwestern beats Michigan. The Big 10 is eliminated. Michigan has the better loss and the better resume. OSU played two lesser schools way too close and were blown out by Purdue.

But I do think the committee would lean to Wazzu if all other applicants had 2 losses or more.
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(11-18-2018 02:07 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 01:53 AM)Wedge Wrote:  IMO here's what Wazzu needs, in addition to winning out.

-- Alabama wins the SEC.

-- Oklahoma loses a game.

-- Probably also need Northwestern to win the Big Ten, even though Wazzu is currently ahead of Ohio State in the committee's rankings.

-- If 2 of those first 3 things happen, Wazzu also needs Notre Dame or Clemson to lose a game and have the committee weigh the late loss heavily enough to put that team behind Wazzu.

Actually if Alabama, Clemson, and Notre Dame win out what Wazzu needs is for this to happen.

West Virginia beats Oklahoma on the last week of the regular season. The Big 12 is eliminated.

Michigan beats Ohio State. Northwestern beats Michigan. The Big 10 is eliminated. Michigan has the better loss and the better resume. OSU played two lesser schools way too close and were blown out by Purdue.

But I do think the committee would lean to Wazzu if all other applicants had 2 losses or more.

A Notre Dame loss would help big time though.

1. It will effectively eliminate ND because of the lack of data points.

2. It will weaken Michigan's case in the event they win out.

3. I can't say how the Big 12 finishes up because that is nigh on unpredictable, but OU has been the most consistent team in the league even though their defense is non-existent. I won't go so far as to say they control their own destiny, but they're in a good spot.

Even if Wazzu gets a few favors thrown their way, it's going to be hard. The big hit will be that they played no quality opponent out of conference. It would be breaking with precedent for the committee to disregard that.

That and the Pac 12 didn't perform very well in non-conference games this year so that will undermine Wazzu's overall resume.

If Alabama and Clemson win out then the last 2 spots will be very interesting depending on what happens.
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(11-18-2018 01:09 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Arizona "helped" Wazzu out quite a bit. Wazzu squib kicked after one of their TDs, the Arizona players just watched the ball, and Wazzu recovered it in the end zone for another TD. Here it is.


That play raises a question I have often wondered about. What if that ball had not been touched before it crossed the goal line? Why wouldn't it have been considered a live ball? When the receiving team downs the ball in its own end zone, it's clearly a touchback and the ball comes out to the 25. But what if they just allow the ball to lay there without downing it? Is that an automatic touchback?
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(11-19-2018 03:13 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 01:09 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Arizona "helped" Wazzu out quite a bit. Wazzu squib kicked after one of their TDs, the Arizona players just watched the ball, and Wazzu recovered it in the end zone for another TD. Here it is.


That play raises a question I have often wondered about. What if that ball had not been touched before it crossed the goal line? Why wouldn't it have been considered a live ball? When the receiving team downs the ball in its own end zone, it's clearly a touchback and the ball comes out to the 25. But what if they just allow the ball to lay there without downing it? Is that an automatic touchback?

It's only a touchback if the ball is either downed in the end zone by the receiving team or goes out of bounds after crossing into the end zone.

If the ball is recovered in the end zone by the kicking team, it's a touchdown whether or not the ball was touched before entering the end zone.
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(11-19-2018 03:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 03:13 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 01:09 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Arizona "helped" Wazzu out quite a bit. Wazzu squib kicked after one of their TDs, the Arizona players just watched the ball, and Wazzu recovered it in the end zone for another TD. Here it is.


That play raises a question I have often wondered about. What if that ball had not been touched before it crossed the goal line? Why wouldn't it have been considered a live ball? When the receiving team downs the ball in its own end zone, it's clearly a touchback and the ball comes out to the 25. But what if they just allow the ball to lay there without downing it? Is that an automatic touchback?

It's only a touchback if the ball is either downed in the end zone by the receiving team or goes out of bounds after crossing into the end zone.

If the ball is recovered in the end zone by the kicking team, it's a touchdown whether or not the ball was touched before entering the end zone.

CORRECT. Kickoffs are always live as soon as they travel 10 yards - hence the ability to onsides kick.
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(11-22-2018 09:12 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 03:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 03:13 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 01:09 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Arizona "helped" Wazzu out quite a bit. Wazzu squib kicked after one of their TDs, the Arizona players just watched the ball, and Wazzu recovered it in the end zone for another TD. Here it is.


That play raises a question I have often wondered about. What if that ball had not been touched before it crossed the goal line? Why wouldn't it have been considered a live ball? When the receiving team downs the ball in its own end zone, it's clearly a touchback and the ball comes out to the 25. But what if they just allow the ball to lay there without downing it? Is that an automatic touchback?

It's only a touchback if the ball is either downed in the end zone by the receiving team or goes out of bounds after crossing into the end zone.

If the ball is recovered in the end zone by the kicking team, it's a touchdown whether or not the ball was touched before entering the end zone.

CORRECT. Kickoffs are always live as soon as they travel 10 yards - hence the ability to onsides kick.

That was my assumption. Yet I have watched many a kick into the end zone that wasn't touched by anybody, but the refs blew the play dead.
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(11-22-2018 12:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 09:12 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 03:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 03:13 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-18-2018 01:09 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Arizona "helped" Wazzu out quite a bit. Wazzu squib kicked after one of their TDs, the Arizona players just watched the ball, and Wazzu recovered it in the end zone for another TD. Here it is.


That play raises a question I have often wondered about. What if that ball had not been touched before it crossed the goal line? Why wouldn't it have been considered a live ball? When the receiving team downs the ball in its own end zone, it's clearly a touchback and the ball comes out to the 25. But what if they just allow the ball to lay there without downing it? Is that an automatic touchback?

It's only a touchback if the ball is either downed in the end zone by the receiving team or goes out of bounds after crossing into the end zone.

If the ball is recovered in the end zone by the kicking team, it's a touchdown whether or not the ball was touched before entering the end zone.

CORRECT. Kickoffs are always live as soon as they travel 10 yards - hence the ability to onsides kick.

That was my assumption. Yet I have watched many a kick into the end zone that wasn't touched by anybody, but the refs blew the play dead.

Don't confuse punts (which are not live) with kickoffs (which are). Also, if a kickoff is downed in the end zone or goes out of the end zone, then it's a touchback.
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(11-22-2018 12:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 12:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 09:12 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 03:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 03:13 PM)ken d Wrote:  That play raises a question I have often wondered about. What if that ball had not been touched before it crossed the goal line? Why wouldn't it have been considered a live ball? When the receiving team downs the ball in its own end zone, it's clearly a touchback and the ball comes out to the 25. But what if they just allow the ball to lay there without downing it? Is that an automatic touchback?

It's only a touchback if the ball is either downed in the end zone by the receiving team or goes out of bounds after crossing into the end zone.

If the ball is recovered in the end zone by the kicking team, it's a touchdown whether or not the ball was touched before entering the end zone.

CORRECT. Kickoffs are always live as soon as they travel 10 yards - hence the ability to onsides kick.

That was my assumption. Yet I have watched many a kick into the end zone that wasn't touched by anybody, but the refs blew the play dead.

Don't confuse punts (which are not live) with kickoffs (which are). Also, if a kickoff is downed in the end zone or goes out of the end zone, then it's a touchback.

Ken D's observations are accurate. I too have watched more than a few games this year where the officials waved an arm over their heads and blew the kickoff dead when the ball did not leave the end zone and the player never bothered to down it.

I think they are just as confused as the players who fail to fair catch the kickoffs that land short of the goal. It seems to me that those changes have only led to confusion.

As the rules are written what you are saying Hokie Mark should be the case as it was in the Wazzu game. If the ball is in the field of play, including the end zone, it is a live ball on a kickoff. It has to be downed for it to be a touch back. But if the officials keep getting this wrong it won't be long before the players don't bother to down it and somebody will get a cheap score.

So both you and Ken D are correct. The rule is the same regarding kickoffs and nothing has changed, but the officials are treating (in too many cases) a kick that breaks the plane of the goal to be a touch back, even if it is not downed.

It's garbage like this that is really killing my enjoyment of a game.

And while we are at it, it's totally hypocritical that linemen can now push and drive a ball carrier forward and yet we have targeting which is a call justified for the protection of players. I played back when assisting the runner was a penalty and when piling on, which is frequently the results of these pushes, was a personal foul. If we are going to have targeting for safety's sake then it should not be legal to lift, assist, or push a ball carrier.

And by the way, football had long distinguished itself from Rugby by not allowing the scrum which pushed the ball carrier forward. They've monkeyed with the rules for far too long and the game is suffering for it.
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(11-22-2018 02:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 12:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 12:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 09:12 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 03:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  It's only a touchback if the ball is either downed in the end zone by the receiving team or goes out of bounds after crossing into the end zone.

If the ball is recovered in the end zone by the kicking team, it's a touchdown whether or not the ball was touched before entering the end zone.

CORRECT. Kickoffs are always live as soon as they travel 10 yards - hence the ability to onsides kick.

That was my assumption. Yet I have watched many a kick into the end zone that wasn't touched by anybody, but the refs blew the play dead.

Don't confuse punts (which are not live) with kickoffs (which are). Also, if a kickoff is downed in the end zone or goes out of the end zone, then it's a touchback.

Ken D's observations are accurate. I too have watched more than a few games this year where the officials waved an arm over their heads and blew the kickoff dead when the ball did not leave the end zone and the player never bothered to down it.

I think they are just as confused as the players who fail to fair catch the kickoffs that land short of the goal. It seems to me that those changes have only led to confusion.

As the rules are written what you are saying Hokie Mark should be the case as it was in the Wazzu game. If the ball is in the field of play, including the end zone, it is a live ball on a kickoff. It has to be downed for it to be a touch back. But if the officials keep getting this wrong it won't be long before the players don't bother to down it and somebody will get a cheap score.

So both you and Ken D are correct. The rule is the same regarding kickoffs and nothing has changed, but the officials are treating (in too many cases) a kick that breaks the plane of the goal to be a touch back, even if it is not downed.

It's garbage like this that is really killing my enjoyment of a game.

And while we are at it, it's totally hypocritical that linemen can now push and drive a ball carrier forward and yet we have targeting which is a call justified for the protection of players. I played back when assisting the runner was a penalty and when piling on, which is frequently the results of these pushes, was a personal foul. If we are going to have targeting for safety's sake then it should not be legal to lift, assist, or push a ball carrier.

And by the way, football had long distinguished itself from Rugby by not allowing the scrum which pushed the ball carrier forward. They've monkeyed with the rules for far too long and the game is suffering for it.

Agreed.
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(11-22-2018 02:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 12:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 12:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 09:12 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-19-2018 03:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  It's only a touchback if the ball is either downed in the end zone by the receiving team or goes out of bounds after crossing into the end zone.

If the ball is recovered in the end zone by the kicking team, it's a touchdown whether or not the ball was touched before entering the end zone.

CORRECT. Kickoffs are always live as soon as they travel 10 yards - hence the ability to onsides kick.

That was my assumption. Yet I have watched many a kick into the end zone that wasn't touched by anybody, but the refs blew the play dead.

Don't confuse punts (which are not live) with kickoffs (which are). Also, if a kickoff is downed in the end zone or goes out of the end zone, then it's a touchback.

Ken D's observations are accurate. I too have watched more than a few games this year where the officials waved an arm over their heads and blew the kickoff dead when the ball did not leave the end zone and the player never bothered to down it.

I think they are just as confused as the players who fail to fair catch the kickoffs that land short of the goal. It seems to me that those changes have only led to confusion.

As the rules are written what you are saying Hokie Mark should be the case as it was in the Wazzu game. If the ball is in the field of play, including the end zone, it is a live ball on a kickoff. It has to be downed for it to be a touch back. But if the officials keep getting this wrong it won't be long before the players don't bother to down it and somebody will get a cheap score.

So both you and Ken D are correct. The rule is the same regarding kickoffs and nothing has changed, but the officials are treating (in too many cases) a kick that breaks the plane of the goal to be a touch back, even if it is not downed.

It's garbage like this that is really killing my enjoyment of a game.

And while we are at it, it's totally hypocritical that linemen can now push and drive a ball carrier forward and yet we have targeting which is a call justified for the protection of players. I played back when assisting the runner was a penalty and when piling on, which is frequently the results of these pushes, was a personal foul. If we are going to have targeting for safety's sake then it should not be legal to lift, assist, or push a ball carrier.

And by the way, football had long distinguished itself from Rugby by not allowing the scrum which pushed the ball carrier forward. They've monkeyed with the rules for far too long and the game is suffering for it.

To this point, I just watched another example of this. After BC scored a touchdown to go up 7-0, their kickoff went over the head of the Syracuse receiver and into the endzone. It rolled to a stop without ever going out of the endzone, but the referee blew the play dead. That should have been a live ball.
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(11-24-2018 12:51 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 02:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 12:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 12:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 09:12 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  CORRECT. Kickoffs are always live as soon as they travel 10 yards - hence the ability to onsides kick.

That was my assumption. Yet I have watched many a kick into the end zone that wasn't touched by anybody, but the refs blew the play dead.

Don't confuse punts (which are not live) with kickoffs (which are). Also, if a kickoff is downed in the end zone or goes out of the end zone, then it's a touchback.

Ken D's observations are accurate. I too have watched more than a few games this year where the officials waved an arm over their heads and blew the kickoff dead when the ball did not leave the end zone and the player never bothered to down it.

I think they are just as confused as the players who fail to fair catch the kickoffs that land short of the goal. It seems to me that those changes have only led to confusion.

As the rules are written what you are saying Hokie Mark should be the case as it was in the Wazzu game. If the ball is in the field of play, including the end zone, it is a live ball on a kickoff. It has to be downed for it to be a touch back. But if the officials keep getting this wrong it won't be long before the players don't bother to down it and somebody will get a cheap score.

So both you and Ken D are correct. The rule is the same regarding kickoffs and nothing has changed, but the officials are treating (in too many cases) a kick that breaks the plane of the goal to be a touch back, even if it is not downed.

It's garbage like this that is really killing my enjoyment of a game.

And while we are at it, it's totally hypocritical that linemen can now push and drive a ball carrier forward and yet we have targeting which is a call justified for the protection of players. I played back when assisting the runner was a penalty and when piling on, which is frequently the results of these pushes, was a personal foul. If we are going to have targeting for safety's sake then it should not be legal to lift, assist, or push a ball carrier.

And by the way, football had long distinguished itself from Rugby by not allowing the scrum which pushed the ball carrier forward. They've monkeyed with the rules for far too long and the game is suffering for it.

To this point, I just watched another example of this. After BC scored a touchdown to go up 7-0, their kickoff went over the head of the Syracuse receiver and into the endzone. It rolled to a stop without ever going out of the endzone, but the referee blew the play dead. That should have been a live ball.

Happened 3 or 4 times in the F.S.U./Fla game as well.
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(11-24-2018 12:51 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 02:43 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 12:26 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 12:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-22-2018 09:12 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  CORRECT. Kickoffs are always live as soon as they travel 10 yards - hence the ability to onsides kick.

That was my assumption. Yet I have watched many a kick into the end zone that wasn't touched by anybody, but the refs blew the play dead.

Don't confuse punts (which are not live) with kickoffs (which are). Also, if a kickoff is downed in the end zone or goes out of the end zone, then it's a touchback.

Ken D's observations are accurate. I too have watched more than a few games this year where the officials waved an arm over their heads and blew the kickoff dead when the ball did not leave the end zone and the player never bothered to down it.

I think they are just as confused as the players who fail to fair catch the kickoffs that land short of the goal. It seems to me that those changes have only led to confusion.

As the rules are written what you are saying Hokie Mark should be the case as it was in the Wazzu game. If the ball is in the field of play, including the end zone, it is a live ball on a kickoff. It has to be downed for it to be a touch back. But if the officials keep getting this wrong it won't be long before the players don't bother to down it and somebody will get a cheap score.

So both you and Ken D are correct. The rule is the same regarding kickoffs and nothing has changed, but the officials are treating (in too many cases) a kick that breaks the plane of the goal to be a touch back, even if it is not downed.

It's garbage like this that is really killing my enjoyment of a game.

And while we are at it, it's totally hypocritical that linemen can now push and drive a ball carrier forward and yet we have targeting which is a call justified for the protection of players. I played back when assisting the runner was a penalty and when piling on, which is frequently the results of these pushes, was a personal foul. If we are going to have targeting for safety's sake then it should not be legal to lift, assist, or push a ball carrier.

And by the way, football had long distinguished itself from Rugby by not allowing the scrum which pushed the ball carrier forward. They've monkeyed with the rules for far too long and the game is suffering for it.

To this point, I just watched another example of this. After BC scored a touchdown to go up 7-0, their kickoff went over the head of the Syracuse receiver and into the endzone. It rolled to a stop without ever going out of the endzone, but the referee blew the play dead. That should have been a live ball.
They changed the rules a few years back. That is no longer a live ball.
11-24-2018 08:10 PM
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