(11-18-2018 10:35 PM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 09:25 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 09:01 PM)NILAW Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 06:17 PM)17Huskies Wrote:  I don't think many of us that aren't 'calling for Carey's head every game' believe he's the greatest coach in the history of CFB...we just understand that there are many things that go into coaching and that expectations of NIU regularly breaking into the national discussion were quite a bit unrealistic and as someone else said, mainly because we had 1 remarkable player.

Some of this is terminology, if you truly believe Carey is 'settling' and really is OK being 7-5 and only scoring 7 points a game, I think you're crazy, seriously...actually think about that, no matter how many times MD says that, any competitive coach 'settling' like that, it's ridiculous and just makes those that bring it up seem dumb.

I think almost all of us can agree the offense this year (and the last couple of years) is simply not good enough, I would greatly assume Carey knows that too. It's on him to fix it, recruiting and playcalling, but to think they're just 'settling' is just dumb.

There is no way that Carey prefers to have an ineffective O with low scoring close games. He is playing the hand he has been dealt; more appropriately playing the hand he dealt himself. I am sure Carey knows the O is ineffective; the issue is can he fix it? Obviously not this year; that ship has sailed and what we have seen is what we will get for the remainder of this season. It sounds like Wright and Valenti both have the potential to be effective QBs in this system, so it looks like he and other coaches have taken some steps to correct the O. Hopefully it works out and we get at least an effective O.

I totally disagree with you on that, an offense that is not productive does not risk mistakes. Making mistakes is 100 percent the ball game for Carey, he thinks the other team will outmistake his team, that is his coaching philosophy.

I am actually going to agree with MD. I don't think I've authored that line very often.

Coach Carey has increasingly become more conservative with his offense every season since he took charge of the ship. As MD says; I believe that is his coaching modus operandi

When he first began, as a very green division one head coach, he seemed to kind of roll with the coaching style and program that was already in place from his predecessors. However, as he gained experience and confidence, he changed the mold of the team into what we currently see.

Our former QB, young Mr. Santa, is a prime example of a player that didn't fit that mold. He showed flashes of being a very dynamic, however with his aggressive style, he made mistakes. He didn't last.

Kenny Goladay is going to be an NFL star - yet he was grossly underutilized at NIU. Drew Hare looked to have the potential to breakout initially, however he was so afraid to turn the ball over he consistently overthrew receivers by ten yards. The kid (who I am drawing a blank on his name) that we did everything in our power to not play at QB (including changing his position) showed flashes of brilliance when Coach Carey was forced to play him at QB because of multiple injuries.

I think Coach just wants to play conservative and doesn't care if the offense doesn't score many points, so long as the other team scores less. There isn't anything necessarily wrong with that philosophy - the Baltimore Ravens won a Super Bowl doing just that.

It just sucks to watch, it's dull, and I preferred the high octane offense pre-Carey (and even early Carey).

If you want to say he's too conservative and is too afraid of turnovers, that's fine. I don't completely agree because I don't think he's had the talent, but it's a fair argument and discussion.

That's different than saying he's 'settling' and would rather not score and likes close games, which is some of what is said many times on here.

He can’t be considered conservative because of a lack of pass attempts. That’s higher than it’s ever been. So it must be based on not throwing down field. But look at his primary passers since Hare...Graham and Childers. What’s the biggest weakness those QBs had? Yes, throwing down field. Maddie, Hare and Santa were in the 7 yds per attempt range. Graham and Childers are in the 5 y/a.

You have to ask, is he running a conservative offense or is the offense forced to be more conservative due to the QBs?

(11-19-2018 10:55 AM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  He can’t be considered conservative because of a lack of pass attempts. That’s higher than it’s ever been. So it must be based on not throwing down field. But look at his primary passers since Hare...Graham and Childers. What’s the biggest weakness those QBs had? Yes, throwing down field. Maddie, Hare and Santa were in the 7 yds per attempt range. Graham and Childers are in the 5 y/a.

You have to ask, is he running a conservative offense or is the offense forced to be more conservative due to the QBs?

Yep, and the WR's. Take a look at the passes from the Miami game that were thrown more than 20 yards, one was picked, another was dropped, a couple way out of bounds.

Which Carey still gets the blame for that for not having better players to do that.

Carey is such so extremely afraid of the mistake, it certainly has a crippling effect. I have never seen a coach that was more comfortable not having the football, it really is mind boggling.

The YPA have tanked because he and the WRs can’t connect on deep balls. The offense is pretty similar.

(11-19-2018 04:18 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Carey is such so extremely afraid of the mistake, it certainly has a crippling effect. I have never seen a coach that was more comfortable not having the football, it really is mind boggling.

If he was so afraid of making a mistake, he would not have the receiver throw a pass on fourth down.

(11-19-2018 05:02 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  

(11-19-2018 04:18 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Carey is such so extremely afraid of the mistake, it certainly has a crippling effect. I have never seen a coach that was more comfortable not having the football, it really is mind boggling.

If he was so afraid of making a mistake, he would not have the receiver throw a pass on fourth down.

I just have never seen a cluster like what is NIU's offense. It just is maddening to see so many self inflicted wounds by this coach.

(11-19-2018 04:18 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Carey is such so extremely afraid of the mistake, it certainly has a crippling effect. I have never seen a coach that was more comfortable not having the football, it really is mind boggling.

So why did he throw a pass on 4th and 18 in his own endzone or let Wesley throw a pass on fourth down? Sounds like a riverboat gambler to me. Just kidding you MD. I too want him gone.


GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(11-18-2018 02:14 PM)jjj Wrote:  What makes you think that if we beat BG and go to the BCS bowl game that we would continue the G5 run for several years??? The main reason was one player, Jordan Lynch. He was a once in a generation player, and almost won the Heisman.


My main regret is losing Jerry Kill. He was the architect of the Orange Bowl team and I wonder what kind of run we could of had if he did not leave. If he stayed along with his staff, I personally do believe we have a Boise run.

Look what he did at Minnesota, he had them in top 25 and a NY day bowl.

I think we would have a better QB for sure with Kill.....

I think that second consecutive access bowl would have opened up doors for this university. This was a time when conference jumping was fluid, and maybe we would have received that Big 12 bid that we all speculated about.

That's probably just revisionist crazy talk, but who knows? At the least, recruiting would have boomed, donations would have gone up, and it would have been a public relations gold mine.

(11-18-2018 06:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 05:53 PM)NIUTrekker Wrote:  I like your analysis which I believe is fair. I do believe that, if Carey is a good coach, he'll recognize the offense has steadily worsened and major change is needed. But, I suspect we won't see any major change in the off season.

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There is absolutely zero chance anything would ever change, zero, you are correct.

Not so sure he wouldn’t change the offense. He fired Bob Cole didn’t he? I’m sure he recognizes the offense is ineffective. We have a few more games to turn things around. I hope we take advantage of the bad defenses we have vs WMU and probably Buffalo. The bowl game is a question mark of course but we need to win in this post season. Hate to say it but I’d rather face a beatable team than an elite G5 team. Coach Carey does like to be conservative but maybe it’s becuase of the defense. With a different defense maybe he’s more aggressive.

(11-20-2018 01:27 AM)VegasHuskie Wrote:  

(11-18-2018 02:14 PM)jjj Wrote:  What makes you think that if we beat BG and go to the BCS bowl game that we would continue the G5 run for several years??? The main reason was one player, Jordan Lynch. He was a once in a generation player, and almost won the Heisman.


My main regret is losing Jerry Kill. He was the architect of the Orange Bowl team and I wonder what kind of run we could of had if he did not leave. If he stayed along with his staff, I personally do believe we have a Boise run.

Look what he did at Minnesota, he had them in top 25 and a NY day bowl.

I think we would have a better QB for sure with Kill.....

I think that second consecutive access bowl would have opened up doors for this university. This was a time when conference jumping was fluid, and maybe we would have received that Big 12 bid that we all speculated about.

That's probably just revisionist crazy talk, but who knows? At the least, recruiting would have boomed, donations would have gone up, and it would have been a public relations gold mine.

Instead of debating that point that a second consecutive bad loss in an access bowl would have elevated the program, let’s let UCF decide for us. They should be back in a second access bowl this year, mind you they actually won their first(a huge difference than our loss. Huge.). They have 60,0000 students, largest in the country, and everything else needed to go P5. If they don’t go after this year, it’s ridiculous to think NIU would have.