The late vote strategy may be adding another to the notch count.

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Over 4.5 million votes in California are tabulated after election day. This is normal. In some areas, the vote COUNTED after election day can favor the Republicans.

(11-13-2018 08:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Over 4.5 million votes in California are tabulated after election day. This is normal. In some areas, the vote COUNTED after election day can favor the Republicans.

Link?

(11-14-2018 12:55 AM)banker Wrote:  

(11-13-2018 08:37 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Over 4.5 million votes in California are tabulated after election day. This is normal. In some areas, the vote COUNTED after election day can favor the Republicans.

Link?

Sure, https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/art...379912.php It was actually 4.8 million.

In the Valadao Congressional race, the late counted vote is expected to favor the Republican. https://www.fresnobee.com/news/politics-...38160.html

You need to read the article. It states that even though the margin tightened, that it will likely expand in favor of the Republican as Fresno County's late vote comes in.

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Different parts of California have different late counted vote characteristics. In much of California, the late counted vote is Democrat, but that's not always the case. In Orange and LA, the late vote is usually Democratic. In the Valley, it historically hasn't been the case. Either way, there's no credible evidence that the late counted vote is any less valid than the election day vote.

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By the way, while accepting that the vote is fair in California, I don't like the way they count the votes, but recognize that its their right to determine their own election procedures. It takes WEEKS to figure out who won. And its not just with Congressional races, but with local races too. And in non-partisan races, good friggin' luck figuring out who is going to win the late counted vote (there are ways to have some idea, but not even nearly as well as by party affiliation). So election night in close races in California is just a thank you by both candidates and then a long friggin' wait for 2 weeks of torture as the results dribble in.

Here's a good article from Politico on it https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/0...ing-959956

Another hunt in the search to muddy the waters. The cult can’t understand the backlash against the savior Cheetoh Jesus. Care to elaborate on ‘late vote strategies’? Those outside the “MAGA” movement don’t see anything nefarious in nature in counting votes legally cast.

(11-14-2018 05:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Another hunt in the search to muddy the waters. The cult can’t understand the backlash against the savior Cheetoh Jesus. Care to elaborate on ‘late vote strategies’? Those outside the “MAGA” movement don’t see anything nefarious in nature in counting votes legally cast.

Democrats don't care about the integrity of the vote.

There are examples of voter fraud with mail in ballots.

In most places, the number of mail in ballots is small, so its not a significant issue.

(11-14-2018 05:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Those outside the “MAGA” movement don’t see anything nefarious in nature in counting votes legally cast.

Counting votes legally cast ..... LOL. Show me one Liberal that is in favor of Voter ID and I will show you a Liberal that is interested in "Legally Cast" votes.

(11-14-2018 09:33 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 05:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Those outside the “MAGA” movement don’t see anything nefarious in nature in counting votes legally cast.

Counting votes legally cast ..... LOL. Show me one Liberal that is in favor of Voter ID and I will show you a Liberal that is interested in "Legally Cast" votes.

I'm in favor of a FAIR Voter ID system. One that doesn't disproportionally require poorer and younger voters to do more work than older ones. One that doesn't specifically allow forms of ID that Conservatives hold (CCL's, for example) to be valid, while not allowing those held by liberals (Student Ids, Lone Star Cards, etc.). One that doesn't quibble about insignificant naming or signature discrepancies (I use a nickname - some places would throw my ballot out if I sign a document "Beto" rather than Roberto for example).

Here's the deal. People don't illegally vote in significant numbers for a very valid reason....its really illegal and you can go to jail for it. Every cycle, you see a dozen or so illegal votes out of every 10 million votes. But here's the deal..It happens on both sides.

Thanks for the links, Tom.

Fair voting is easy, the technology exists. Put a finger print scanner at the table where you check in and an ink pad and box for a thumb print on mail in ballots then run those through a finger print scanner.

(11-14-2018 09:45 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 09:33 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 05:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Those outside the “MAGA” movement don’t see anything nefarious in nature in counting votes legally cast.

Counting votes legally cast ..... LOL. Show me one Liberal that is in favor of Voter ID and I will show you a Liberal that is interested in "Legally Cast" votes.

I'm in favor of a FAIR Voter ID system. One that doesn't disproportionally require poorer and younger voters to do more work than older ones. One that doesn't specifically allow forms of ID that Conservatives hold (CCL's, for example) to be valid, while not allowing those held by liberals (Student Ids, Lone Star Cards, etc.). One that doesn't quibble about insignificant naming or signature discrepancies (I use a nickname - some places would throw my ballot out if I sign a document "Beto" rather than Roberto for example).

Here's the deal. People don't illegally vote in significant numbers for a very valid reason....its really illegal and you can go to jail for it. Every cycle, you see a dozen or so illegal votes out of every 10 million votes. But here's the deal..It happens on both sides.

After reading all of that rhetoric it is easy to see that "NO" you are not for Voter ID. When we need an ID for so many things in today's world, to act like it is a hardship to obtain something that the very people you are so concerned about likely already have is ludicrous.

Even if anyone didn't already have a viable ID to allow them to LEGALLY vote then it is so ridiculously easy to obtain one that it is a lame argument to make that it is somehow difficult to obtain one, and that it would make them unlikely to vote if it was required. Funny that people don't have any problems at all going wherever it takes to obtain the paperwork to fill out for free stuff - i.e. food stamps, welfare, free school lunch programs, free Obama phones, etc.

(11-14-2018 09:45 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 09:33 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 05:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Those outside the “MAGA” movement don’t see anything nefarious in nature in counting votes legally cast.

Counting votes legally cast ..... LOL. Show me one Liberal that is in favor of Voter ID and I will show you a Liberal that is interested in "Legally Cast" votes.

I'm in favor of a FAIR Voter ID system. One that doesn't disproportionally require poorer and younger voters to do more work than older ones. One that doesn't specifically allow forms of ID that Conservatives hold (CCL's, for example) to be valid, while not allowing those held by liberals (Student Ids, Lone Star Cards, etc.).

I'm OK with equating student ID's and welfare cards with CCL ID just as soon as you require criminal background checks and fingerprint identification for student ID's and welfare cards. Then they will be just as equal a form of identification as a concealed carry permit.

(11-14-2018 10:59 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 09:45 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 09:33 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 05:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Those outside the “MAGA” movement don’t see anything nefarious in nature in counting votes legally cast.

Counting votes legally cast ..... LOL. Show me one Liberal that is in favor of Voter ID and I will show you a Liberal that is interested in "Legally Cast" votes.

I'm in favor of a FAIR Voter ID system. One that doesn't disproportionally require poorer and younger voters to do more work than older ones. One that doesn't specifically allow forms of ID that Conservatives hold (CCL's, for example) to be valid, while not allowing those held by liberals (Student Ids, Lone Star Cards, etc.).

I'm OK with equating student ID's and welfare cards with CCL ID just as soon as you require criminal background checks and fingerprint identification for student ID's and welfare cards. Then they will be just as equal a form of identification as a concealed carry permit.

Or, just drop a CCL from the list of acceptable ID. It opens your side up to hypocrisy claims.

Just put everyone's photo on a SS Card and require people to present it for any interaction requiring ID. Upload the ID to a national database, allow people to change the address online, and then allow people to simply show up at the polls and either present the damn card OR have both election officials look up the photo in the db at the poll booth check in to verify ID.

(11-14-2018 11:11 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 10:59 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 09:45 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 09:33 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 05:39 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Those outside the “MAGA” movement don’t see anything nefarious in nature in counting votes legally cast.

Counting votes legally cast ..... LOL. Show me one Liberal that is in favor of Voter ID and I will show you a Liberal that is interested in "Legally Cast" votes.

I'm in favor of a FAIR Voter ID system. One that doesn't disproportionally require poorer and younger voters to do more work than older ones. One that doesn't specifically allow forms of ID that Conservatives hold (CCL's, for example) to be valid, while not allowing those held by liberals (Student Ids, Lone Star Cards, etc.).

I'm OK with equating student ID's and welfare cards with CCL ID just as soon as you require criminal background checks and fingerprint identification for student ID's and welfare cards. Then they will be just as equal a form of identification as a concealed carry permit.

Or, just drop a CCL from the list of acceptable ID. It opens your side up to hypocrisy claims.

Just put everyone's photo on a SS Card and require people to present it for any interaction requiring ID. Upload the ID to a national database, allow people to change the address online, and then allow people to simply show up at the polls and either present the damn card OR have both election officials look up the photo in the db at the poll booth check in to verify ID.

No need to drop the CCL because it is a verified source of identification like a DL, Military ID, etc.

When student IDs and Welfare cards meet the same vetting standards as other accepted forms of identification then they will also be allowed. They currently don't meet these vetting standards thus aren't acceptable forms of ID.

(11-14-2018 11:35 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 11:11 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 10:59 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 09:45 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 09:33 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Counting votes legally cast ..... LOL. Show me one Liberal that is in favor of Voter ID and I will show you a Liberal that is interested in "Legally Cast" votes.

I'm in favor of a FAIR Voter ID system. One that doesn't disproportionally require poorer and younger voters to do more work than older ones. One that doesn't specifically allow forms of ID that Conservatives hold (CCL's, for example) to be valid, while not allowing those held by liberals (Student Ids, Lone Star Cards, etc.).

I'm OK with equating student ID's and welfare cards with CCL ID just as soon as you require criminal background checks and fingerprint identification for student ID's and welfare cards. Then they will be just as equal a form of identification as a concealed carry permit.

Or, just drop a CCL from the list of acceptable ID. It opens your side up to hypocrisy claims.

Just put everyone's photo on a SS Card and require people to present it for any interaction requiring ID. Upload the ID to a national database, allow people to change the address online, and then allow people to simply show up at the polls and either present the damn card OR have both election officials look up the photo in the db at the poll booth check in to verify ID.

No need to drop the CCL because it is a verified source of identification like a DL, Military ID, etc.

When student IDs and Welfare cards meet the same vetting standards as other accepted forms of identification then they will also be allowed. They currently don't meet these vetting standards thus aren't acceptable forms of ID.

And why doesn't the Lone Star (welfare) and Student IDs (at public institutions NOT have the same form of vetting as a DL? At least in Texas its because the Republicans won't allow them to have it. But we still get the CCL as acceptable ID.

And we're off topic. Next dump of votes in California is around 5pm. Maine's CD-02 will be decided today. TX-23 will be decided tomorrow.

(11-14-2018 11:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 11:35 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 11:11 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 10:59 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 09:45 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm in favor of a FAIR Voter ID system. One that doesn't disproportionally require poorer and younger voters to do more work than older ones. One that doesn't specifically allow forms of ID that Conservatives hold (CCL's, for example) to be valid, while not allowing those held by liberals (Student Ids, Lone Star Cards, etc.).

I'm OK with equating student ID's and welfare cards with CCL ID just as soon as you require criminal background checks and fingerprint identification for student ID's and welfare cards. Then they will be just as equal a form of identification as a concealed carry permit.

Or, just drop a CCL from the list of acceptable ID. It opens your side up to hypocrisy claims.

Just put everyone's photo on a SS Card and require people to present it for any interaction requiring ID. Upload the ID to a national database, allow people to change the address online, and then allow people to simply show up at the polls and either present the damn card OR have both election officials look up the photo in the db at the poll booth check in to verify ID.

No need to drop the CCL because it is a verified source of identification like a DL, Military ID, etc.

When student IDs and Welfare cards meet the same vetting standards as other accepted forms of identification then they will also be allowed. They currently don't meet these vetting standards thus aren't acceptable forms of ID.

And why doesn't the Lone Star (welfare) and Student IDs (at public institutions NOT have the same form of vetting as a DL? At least in Texas its because the Republicans won't allow them to have it. But we still get the CCL as acceptable ID.

And we're off topic. Next dump of votes in California is around 5pm. Maine's CD-02 will be decided today. TX-23 will be decided tomorrow.

Do you have a link to back up your claim that Republicans will not allow them to be vetted the same or is this yet another example of you pulling stuff straight out your butt?

I would imagine that if someone tried to implement fingerprinting and a criminal background check to obtain a welfare card that the resistance would be coming from you leftists rather than Republicans.

(11-14-2018 12:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 11:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 11:35 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 11:11 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 10:59 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm OK with equating student ID's and welfare cards with CCL ID just as soon as you require criminal background checks and fingerprint identification for student ID's and welfare cards. Then they will be just as equal a form of identification as a concealed carry permit.

Or, just drop a CCL from the list of acceptable ID. It opens your side up to hypocrisy claims.

Just put everyone's photo on a SS Card and require people to present it for any interaction requiring ID. Upload the ID to a national database, allow people to change the address online, and then allow people to simply show up at the polls and either present the damn card OR have both election officials look up the photo in the db at the poll booth check in to verify ID.

No need to drop the CCL because it is a verified source of identification like a DL, Military ID, etc.

When student IDs and Welfare cards meet the same vetting standards as other accepted forms of identification then they will also be allowed. They currently don't meet these vetting standards thus aren't acceptable forms of ID.

And why doesn't the Lone Star (welfare) and Student IDs (at public institutions NOT have the same form of vetting as a DL? At least in Texas its because the Republicans won't allow them to have it. But we still get the CCL as acceptable ID.

And we're off topic. Next dump of votes in California is around 5pm. Maine's CD-02 will be decided today. TX-23 will be decided tomorrow.

Do you have a link to back up your claim that Republicans will not allow them to be vetted the same or is this yet another example of you pulling stuff straight out your butt?

I would imagine that if someone tried to implement fingerprinting and a criminal background check to obtain a welfare card that the resistance would be coming from you leftists rather than Republicans.

https://progresstexas.org/blog/stricken-...student-id for background

http://www.dailytexanonline.com/2015/01/...f-voter-id to back up my claim.

Seriously, the Google works just fine. No need to waste a post asking for a link if the info is already there.

(11-14-2018 12:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 12:12 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 11:42 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 11:35 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 11:11 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Or, just drop a CCL from the list of acceptable ID. It opens your side up to hypocrisy claims.

Just put everyone's photo on a SS Card and require people to present it for any interaction requiring ID. Upload the ID to a national database, allow people to change the address online, and then allow people to simply show up at the polls and either present the damn card OR have both election officials look up the photo in the db at the poll booth check in to verify ID.

No need to drop the CCL because it is a verified source of identification like a DL, Military ID, etc.

When student IDs and Welfare cards meet the same vetting standards as other accepted forms of identification then they will also be allowed. They currently don't meet these vetting standards thus aren't acceptable forms of ID.

And why doesn't the Lone Star (welfare) and Student IDs (at public institutions NOT have the same form of vetting as a DL? At least in Texas its because the Republicans won't allow them to have it. But we still get the CCL as acceptable ID.

And we're off topic. Next dump of votes in California is around 5pm. Maine's CD-02 will be decided today. TX-23 will be decided tomorrow.

Do you have a link to back up your claim that Republicans will not allow them to be vetted the same or is this yet another example of you pulling stuff straight out your butt?

I would imagine that if someone tried to implement fingerprinting and a criminal background check to obtain a welfare card that the resistance would be coming from you leftists rather than Republicans.

https://progresstexas.org/blog/stricken-...student-id for background

http://www.dailytexanonline.com/2015/01/...f-voter-id to back up my claim.

Seriously, the Google works just fine. No need to waste a post asking for a link if the info is already there.

Neither of those links back up your claim (see the bolded section above) that Republicans will not allow the same sort of vetting (criminal background check and fingerprinting) for student and welfare IDs. That is the claim that you pulled out your butt.

Again, if there were going to be any pushback on welfare cards being subject to background checks it would come from you leftists, not Republicans. I'd be all for welfare benefits being tied to a clean criminal record.