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RE: Myrtle Beach Bowl
(12-28-2018 01:04 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(12-27-2018 10:16 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(11-16-2018 10:13 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  What's the best case scenario opponent wise if we somehow get a connection into the Myrtle Beach Bowl? App State? Marshall? I have no idea as C-USA, MAC, and Sun Belt schools are the bottom of the totem pole. Any Sun Belt school would be playable in the Cure Bowl if the AAC couldn't fulfill their slot. But playing against an AAC opponent gives us the chance to potentially play UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, Navy, etc. I'm not convinced the Cure Bowl is a better choice for LU than the Myrtle Beach Bowl, but we'd be in potentially better company.

Another way to look at this is look at the other bowls. How many P5 vs. G5 matchups are there? We can count on one hand the number, right? P5 schools want to play other P5 and the bowls and networks find it most profitable and advantageous to set it up that way. I don't know that we should voluntarily limit ourselves to the bottom of the G5.

You aren't doing it voluntarily. You are the bottom of the G5. That is where you are. You just moved up from the FCS, and already believe you are too good to play G5 teams in bowl games? Not only that, but you believe you can voluntarily pick which P5 bowl games you want to play in? Get real, guy.

I'm sorry but I'm aiming high for Liberty. Of course we aren't there yet! But I sure as heck don't want to be mistaken for a Sun Belt, MAC, or C-USA school. The premise of the thread is to debate if we would prefer the Myrtle Beach Bowl or the Cure Bowl, thus me stating my preference as if we had a voluntary option between the two. As far as I know, that is not reality but that is irrelevant for the thread.

And nowhere did I state we are P5 but I used them as an example for how our mindset should be. Do you want to associate with Liberty through a bowl game or otherwise? If not, why do you think Liberty should want to associate with you?

But that's just it. There is only one P5 independent and that's Notre Dame. You won't hopscotch over BYU, Army, or even UMass anytime soon. If Liberty really didn't want to associate themselves with the Sun Belt, CUSA, and the MAC, y'all wouldn't have signed a home-home deal with a majority of those schools. The reality is this: Liberty didn't choose the Cure Bowl because it was your athletic department aiming low, y'all got the Cure Bowl because, right now, it's all you can get.
12-28-2018 08:52 AM
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RE: Myrtle Beach Bowl
(12-28-2018 08:52 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(12-28-2018 01:04 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(12-27-2018 10:16 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(11-16-2018 10:13 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  What's the best case scenario opponent wise if we somehow get a connection into the Myrtle Beach Bowl? App State? Marshall? I have no idea as C-USA, MAC, and Sun Belt schools are the bottom of the totem pole. Any Sun Belt school would be playable in the Cure Bowl if the AAC couldn't fulfill their slot. But playing against an AAC opponent gives us the chance to potentially play UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis, Navy, etc. I'm not convinced the Cure Bowl is a better choice for LU than the Myrtle Beach Bowl, but we'd be in potentially better company.

Another way to look at this is look at the other bowls. How many P5 vs. G5 matchups are there? We can count on one hand the number, right? P5 schools want to play other P5 and the bowls and networks find it most profitable and advantageous to set it up that way. I don't know that we should voluntarily limit ourselves to the bottom of the G5.

You aren't doing it voluntarily. You are the bottom of the G5. That is where you are. You just moved up from the FCS, and already believe you are too good to play G5 teams in bowl games? Not only that, but you believe you can voluntarily pick which P5 bowl games you want to play in? Get real, guy.

I'm sorry but I'm aiming high for Liberty. Of course we aren't there yet! But I sure as heck don't want to be mistaken for a Sun Belt, MAC, or C-USA school. The premise of the thread is to debate if we would prefer the Myrtle Beach Bowl or the Cure Bowl, thus me stating my preference as if we had a voluntary option between the two. As far as I know, that is not reality but that is irrelevant for the thread.

And nowhere did I state we are P5 but I used them as an example for how our mindset should be. Do you want to associate with Liberty through a bowl game or otherwise? If not, why do you think Liberty should want to associate with you?

But that's just it. There is only one P5 independent and that's Notre Dame. You won't hopscotch over BYU, Army, or even UMass anytime soon. If Liberty really didn't want to associate themselves with the Sun Belt, CUSA, and the MAC, y'all wouldn't have signed a home-home deal with a majority of those schools. The reality is this: Liberty didn't choose the Cure Bowl because it was your athletic department aiming low, y'all got the Cure Bowl because, right now, it's all you can get.

Where am I arguing any of that? Where did I say LU was better than everyone else? I want them to be and I know it will take time obviously.

Liberty announced the move to FBS in February 2016 to begin with an FBS schedule in 2018. Most schools have schedules done years in advance so we had to scramble to come up with whatever we could. Beggers can't be choosers and all. But because we are new with less FBS history, I expect us to continue to play plenty of Sun Belt, MAC, and C-USA schools to get wins and build up our program.
12-28-2018 09:52 AM
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These cry babies from the SunBelt are beside themselves. From the time I joined this board in 2012, LU has been clobbered harder by SBC members than any other group. And when LU got it's indy waiver, it proved wrong most all SBC posters who said it would never, that it could never happen that LU was doomed for FBC and would forever be FCS,

And true LU was overt in wanting to join the SBC for years when that was the only means available for FBS membership, to receive an conference FBS invite.

Well that changed with the indy approval. And LU went from being the most unwanted and unliked potential member, to a rapid pace to have greater success than the SBC. I just checked the GaSo 2019 schedule. Two P5 games, LSU and Minnesota. Both on the road. Syracuse opens against LU in Lynchburg in 2019. How many P5 teams have ventured to Statesboro, and ever will?

We all know how much it ticks off the SBC LU hates when LU succeeds. Read the many threads on the SBC site where thread after thread mentions combining with the C-USA for conference survival when the P5 expands. LU has bigger plans and vision that what the SBC could offer. True 2019 is year two of FBS. And that LU will continue to struggle against the P5 and elite mid major FBS programs. But that win/loss curve will gradually shift and LU will begin to snatch an unexpected victory and improve.

To all those SBC haters here's your reality check. LU once needed you. Now they don't. And their path to success as an indy will excel beyond most if not all SBC programs in due time. It would be safe to say that 90+% fans, alumni, admins want LU to be indy rather than join the SBC. It's best for the SBC, and especially better for LU. Enjoy your App State rivalry. It's likely to be your best for a long time.
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RE: Myrtle Beach Bowl
(12-28-2018 10:49 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  These cry babies from the SunBelt are beside themselves. From the time I joined this board in 2012, LU has been clobbered harder by SBC members than any other group. And when LU got it's indy waiver, it proved wrong most all SBC posters who said it would never, that it could never happen that LU was doomed for FBC and would forever be FCS,

And true LU was overt in wanting to join the SBC for years when that was the only means available for FBS membership, to receive an conference FBS invite.

Well that changed with the indy approval. And LU went from being the most unwanted and unliked potential member, to a rapid pace to have greater success than the SBC. I just checked the GaSo 2019 schedule. Two P5 games, LSU and Minnesota. Both on the road. Syracuse opens against LU in Lynchburg in 2019. How many P5 teams have ventured to Statesboro, and ever will?

We all know how much it ticks off the SBC LU hates when LU succeeds. Read the many threads on the SBC site where thread after thread mentions combining with the C-USA for conference survival when the P5 expands. LU has bigger plans and vision that what the SBC could offer. True 2019 is year two of FBS. And that LU will continue to struggle against the P5 and elite mid major FBS programs. But that win/loss curve will gradually shift and LU will begin to snatch an unexpected victory and improve.

To all those SBC haters here's your reality check. LU once needed you. Now they don't. And their path to success as an indy will excel beyond most if not all SBC programs in due time. It would be safe to say that 90+% fans, alumni, admins want LU to be indy rather than join the SBC. It's best for the SBC, and especially better for LU. Enjoy your App State rivalry. It's likely to be your best for a long time.

A few things I’ll point out:

GS has a better history than us
GS has a rivalry I wish we had something comparable (ODU)
GS is in their perfect situation as they are a match made in heaven for SBC
LU has a higher ceiling
LU has way more money and less restrictions (private vs public)
LU is going to stay Indy for a LONG time because the P5 invite isn’t coming
LU should try to stay put and improve all programs and try to move to the A10 if the option ever presented itself with current VA teams still there.
12-29-2018 02:44 AM
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I would disagree with saying Georgia Southern has a better history than us. FCS history is pretty irrelevant for FBS performance so that doesn't help them. Being FBS for several years ahead of us will be negligible soon enough. Their head start has not been impressive, especially after removing their first year by winning the conference (how bad is the conference when a transitioning school wins it?). They are ahead but it wouldn't take long to eclipse them if they were to stumble again.
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(12-29-2018 09:50 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I would disagree with saying Georgia Southern has a better history than us. FCS history is pretty irrelevant for FBS performance so that doesn't help them. Being FBS for several years ahead of us will be negligible soon enough. Their head start has not been impressive, especially after removing their first year by winning the conference (how bad is the conference when a transitioning school wins it?). They are ahead but it wouldn't take long to eclipse them if they were to stumble again.

I don’t think it would be hard to surpass them but the FCS history does hold weight. They’ve had time to build a passionate fan base. They had a bad coaching hire but they’ve had 9-3, 9-4 and 10-3 seasons since being FBS. They are more established than us.
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(12-29-2018 06:35 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(12-29-2018 09:50 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I would disagree with saying Georgia Southern has a better history than us. FCS history is pretty irrelevant for FBS performance so that doesn't help them. Being FBS for several years ahead of us will be negligible soon enough. Their head start has not been impressive, especially after removing their first year by winning the conference (how bad is the conference when a transitioning school wins it?). They are ahead but it wouldn't take long to eclipse them if they were to stumble again.

I don’t think it would be hard to surpass them but the FCS history does hold weight. They’ve had time to build a passionate fan base. They had a bad coaching hire but they’ve had 9-3, 9-4 and 10-3 seasons since being FBS. They are more established than us.

GS is slightly above us but they have had only two bowl games (both wins to be fair) and haven't finished ranked. A couple bad years for them coupled with good years by us and we would be neck and neck. We had over 1,000 more in average attendance in 2017 despite being FCS.

As for FCS success, it really doesn't mean much. Boise State was much worse than the Idaho Vandals and look how different they were in FBS. UMass was great in FCS.
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(12-29-2018 08:06 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(12-29-2018 06:35 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(12-29-2018 09:50 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I would disagree with saying Georgia Southern has a better history than us. FCS history is pretty irrelevant for FBS performance so that doesn't help them. Being FBS for several years ahead of us will be negligible soon enough. Their head start has not been impressive, especially after removing their first year by winning the conference (how bad is the conference when a transitioning school wins it?). They are ahead but it wouldn't take long to eclipse them if they were to stumble again.

I don’t think it would be hard to surpass them but the FCS history does hold weight. They’ve had time to build a passionate fan base. They had a bad coaching hire but they’ve had 9-3, 9-4 and 10-3 seasons since being FBS. They are more established than us.

GS is slightly above us but they have had only two bowl games (both wins to be fair) and haven't finished ranked. A couple bad years for them coupled with good years by us and we would be neck and neck. We had over 1,000 more in average attendance in 2017 despite being FCS.

As for FCS success, it really doesn't mean much. Boise State was much worse than the Idaho Vandals and look how different they were in FBS. UMass was great in FCS.

I get that but those teams also didn’t win SIX national titles. This would be like NDSU moving up. They are better than us right now. I wouldn’t trade spots with them because they fit the SBC we don’t. However, they were, and currently are, a better program than us. Maybe in 5-7 years we pass them but we are the bottom of the FBS right now. An 8+ win year next year and a bowl win would help us move up the ladder.
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(12-29-2018 08:15 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(12-29-2018 08:06 PM)GE and MTS Wrote:  
(12-29-2018 06:35 PM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(12-29-2018 09:50 AM)GE and MTS Wrote:  I would disagree with saying Georgia Southern has a better history than us. FCS history is pretty irrelevant for FBS performance so that doesn't help them. Being FBS for several years ahead of us will be negligible soon enough. Their head start has not been impressive, especially after removing their first year by winning the conference (how bad is the conference when a transitioning school wins it?). They are ahead but it wouldn't take long to eclipse them if they were to stumble again.

I don’t think it would be hard to surpass them but the FCS history does hold weight. They’ve had time to build a passionate fan base. They had a bad coaching hire but they’ve had 9-3, 9-4 and 10-3 seasons since being FBS. They are more established than us.

GS is slightly above us but they have had only two bowl games (both wins to be fair) and haven't finished ranked. A couple bad years for them coupled with good years by us and we would be neck and neck. We had over 1,000 more in average attendance in 2017 despite being FCS.

As for FCS success, it really doesn't mean much. Boise State was much worse than the Idaho Vandals and look how different they were in FBS. UMass was great in FCS.

I get that but those teams also didn’t win SIX national titles. This would be like NDSU moving up. They are better than us right now. I wouldn’t trade spots with them because they fit the SBC we don’t. However, they were, and currently are, a better program than us. Maybe in 5-7 years we pass them but we are the bottom of the FBS right now. An 8+ win year next year and a bowl win would help us move up the ladder.

Agree to disagree with how their FCS success helps them now. I don't think NDSU moving up would automatically put them ahead of Liberty. It is two different levels so the success should be measured that way. Nobody thinks Harvard or the rest of the Ivy League is better even if they have dozens of national championships. They are FCS and thus currently below our level.
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