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(11-13-2018 08:12 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(11-13-2018 07:22 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  UCF up to #11 in playoff rankings, Bearcats in at #24.

-Iowa St. jumps 6 spots after beating 5-5 Baylor.
-UK gets smoked by Tenn. and still only drops to #17.
-4 loss Miss St. still in at #21
-Penn St. beats a down Wisconsin team and jumps 6 spots to #14
-4 loss Northwestern (who lost earlier to Akron BTW) eeks one out against Iowa and jumps from unranked all the way to #22
-Utah jumps from NR to #19 after beating 6-4 Oregon
-Washington jumps 7 spots to #18 after beating just above .500 Stanford

the P5 bias is staggering...I mean, this has to be a concerted and systematic effort to elevate P5 teams and denigrate G5 teams.

No AAC team would move up 6 spots for beating say, SMU or Memphis (similar .500 type programs).

If any ranked AAC team was smoked by an unranked AAC team, they would fall out of the Top 25, not drop to just #17 like UK did.

You'd NEVER see a 4 loss AAC team ranked.....ever.

It seems like the people behind this system look at most unranked P5 teams and assume they would be conference leaders of any of the G5 conferences...which isn't true at all. I also think they look at the top G5 teams and assume if they were in any P5 conference, they would be middle of the pack/upper middle of the pack...also not true at all. The Pac sucks this year. UCF, UC, Temple, etc. would all be doing very well in the PAC. And don't tell me Northwestern would be 11-0 in the AAC. I don't buy it. Its a sham system.

It's pretty simple really: middle and lower tier P5 schools are elevated in the CFP Poll (and in AP/Coach's) to make the wins by the dynastic schools look more impressive. With Northwestern ranked, they can point out it was one of the "good wins" Michigan and Notre Dame have.

(11-14-2018 09:14 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  It's pretty simple really: middle and lower tier P5 schools are elevated in the CFP Poll (and in AP/Coach's) to make the wins by the dynastic schools look more impressive. With Northwestern ranked, they can point out it was one of the "good wins" Michigan and Notre Dame have.

this

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...16-10abi8e

Speaking of the Group of Five teams ...

UCF is ranked No. 11, which is higher than any Group of Five team has ever been placed in the CFP Rankings. That's a nod to the Knights winning 22 straight (even though the committee is only supposed to consider 2018's games), and that's cool. But you know what? If this UCF team is at No. 11 with Utah State, Cincinnati and Boise State sitting 23-25, then, using the committee's logic with those three, UCF is overrated this week.

Yes, the Knights have won 22 straight, but they're 9-0 in 2018, and they're 9-0 against what Sagarin considers the 106th most difficult schedule and S&P+ ranks the 104th. Those same systems respectively rank Utah State's schedule 124th and 128th, Cincinnati's 99th and 117th, and Boise's 71st and 64th. So of the four Group of Five teams in the rankings, none have played a difficult schedule, but Boise's has been the toughest. Of course, Boise has two losses, so it deserves to be ranked in the bottom five spots because of it.


But if UCF is No. 11 with no losses against an inferior schedule, and Utah State is No. 23 and Cincinnati are No. 24 playing similar schedules, this must mean that their losses (Utah State lost to Michigan State and Cincinnati to Temple) are worth a difference of at least 12 spots in the ranking. Yet both teams are ranked behind two teams with four losses and eight teams with three.

The alternative explanation is that Cincinnati and Utah State's wins aren't worth as much as UCF's wins, even if they're playing a similar schedule. Or maybe the committee doesn't care about SOS or quality wins and losses when it comes to the Group of Five and is only interested in having one team ranked high enough to make their appearance in a New Year's Six bowl look appealing. I guess we'll find out if Cincinnati beats UCF this week and the Bearcats suddenly leap to the top 15 while UCF plummets 13 spots.

(11-14-2018 09:14 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  It's pretty simple really: middle and lower tier P5 schools are elevated in the CFP Poll (and in AP/Coach's) to make the wins by the dynastic schools look more impressive. With Northwestern ranked, they can point out it was one of the "good wins" Michigan and Notre Dame have.

Bingo





mc

(11-14-2018 09:40 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...16-10abi8e

Speaking of the Group of Five teams ...

UCF is ranked No. 11, which is higher than any Group of Five team has ever been placed in the CFP Rankings. That's a nod to the Knights winning 22 straight (even though the committee is only supposed to consider 2018's games), and that's cool. But you know what? If this UCF team is at No. 11 with Utah State, Cincinnati and Boise State sitting 23-25, then, using the committee's logic with those three, UCF is overrated this week.

Yes, the Knights have won 22 straight, but they're 9-0 in 2018, and they're 9-0 against what Sagarin considers the 106th most difficult schedule and S&P+ ranks the 104th. Those same systems respectively rank Utah State's schedule 124th and 128th, Cincinnati's 99th and 117th, and Boise's 71st and 64th. So of the four Group of Five teams in the rankings, none have played a difficult schedule, but Boise's has been the toughest. Of course, Boise has two losses, so it deserves to be ranked in the bottom five spots because of it.


But if UCF is No. 11 with no losses against an inferior schedule, and Utah State is No. 23 and Cincinnati are No. 24 playing similar schedules, this must mean that their losses (Utah State lost to Michigan State and Cincinnati to Temple) are worth a difference of at least 12 spots in the ranking. Yet both teams are ranked behind two teams with four losses and eight teams with three.

The alternative explanation is that Cincinnati and Utah State's wins aren't worth as much as UCF's wins, even if they're playing a similar schedule. Or maybe the committee doesn't care about SOS or quality wins and losses when it comes to the Group of Five and is only interested in having one team ranked high enough to make their appearance in a New Year's Six bowl look appealing. I guess we'll find out if Cincinnati beats UCF this week and the Bearcats suddenly leap to the top 15 while UCF plummets 13 spots.

At this point...i admit it. I was wrong. I didn't think it was possible for the committee to keep out a team that had won so much. As we're seeing this year....it's true. You can win 50 straight and they're still not going to bat an eye. The Force is strong with the Cartel.





mc

We're one ref's yawn from being 10-0 right now. Where would they put a 10-0 UC?

I say 19th, tops.

(11-14-2018 10:13 AM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 09:40 AM)Cat-Man Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...16-10abi8e

Speaking of the Group of Five teams ...

UCF is ranked No. 11, which is higher than any Group of Five team has ever been placed in the CFP Rankings. That's a nod to the Knights winning 22 straight (even though the committee is only supposed to consider 2018's games), and that's cool. But you know what? If this UCF team is at No. 11 with Utah State, Cincinnati and Boise State sitting 23-25, then, using the committee's logic with those three, UCF is overrated this week.

Yes, the Knights have won 22 straight, but they're 9-0 in 2018, and they're 9-0 against what Sagarin considers the 106th most difficult schedule and S&P+ ranks the 104th. Those same systems respectively rank Utah State's schedule 124th and 128th, Cincinnati's 99th and 117th, and Boise's 71st and 64th. So of the four Group of Five teams in the rankings, none have played a difficult schedule, but Boise's has been the toughest. Of course, Boise has two losses, so it deserves to be ranked in the bottom five spots because of it.


But if UCF is No. 11 with no losses against an inferior schedule, and Utah State is No. 23 and Cincinnati are No. 24 playing similar schedules, this must mean that their losses (Utah State lost to Michigan State and Cincinnati to Temple) are worth a difference of at least 12 spots in the ranking. Yet both teams are ranked behind two teams with four losses and eight teams with three.

The alternative explanation is that Cincinnati and Utah State's wins aren't worth as much as UCF's wins, even if they're playing a similar schedule. Or maybe the committee doesn't care about SOS or quality wins and losses when it comes to the Group of Five and is only interested in having one team ranked high enough to make their appearance in a New Year's Six bowl look appealing. I guess we'll find out if Cincinnati beats UCF this week and the Bearcats suddenly leap to the top 15 while UCF plummets 13 spots.

At this point...i admit it. I was wrong. I didn't think it was possible for the committee to keep out a team that had won so much. As we're seeing this year....it's true. You can win 50 straight and they're still not going to bat an eye. The Force is strong with the Cartel.

1969-1971 Toledo nods its head solemnly in the corner.

Game info: https://today.ucf.edu/ucf-vs-cincinnati-...e-gameday/

Anyone else end up pulling the trigger and going besides me? I know a few of you guys were discussing it.

(11-15-2018 11:51 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  Game info: https://today.ucf.edu/ucf-vs-cincinnati-...e-gameday/

Any else end up pulling the trigger and going besides me? I know a few of you guys were discussing it.

Billy didn't do his job so I could not do it.

Oh, Billy

(11-15-2018 11:51 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  Game info: https://today.ucf.edu/ucf-vs-cincinnati-...e-gameday/

Anyone else end up pulling the trigger and going besides me? I know a few of you guys were discussing it.

I'll be there. Get in tomorrow afternoon.

(11-14-2018 09:14 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  It's pretty simple really: middle and lower tier P5 schools are elevated in the CFP Poll (and in AP/Coach's) to make the wins by the dynastic schools look more impressive. With Northwestern ranked, they can point out it was one of the "good wins" Michigan and Notre Dame have.

Do you want the conference to get more respect or UC to get more respect? Obviously both, but UC can only control their fate by performing well on the field. There is nothing they can do to help the likes of UConn or Tulsa. If the AAC wants to change perception of their conference, then they need statement wins on a regular basis. Sorry, but wins vs Maryland, G Tech, Arizona, UNC, UCLA, Pittsburgh isn't exactly going to change the perception of the conference much.

All UC can do is go out and win, and hope for program changing wins. Beat tOSU next year, and that will go a long way to changing the perception of UC and to a lesser degree, the conference. But until UC and the rest of the conference start beating some big name teams on a regular basis, they aren't going to get respect.

That's why UC's non conference schedule is important. They need to play good teams, not middle of the pack and below G5 teams, and to win. We have a chance next year to make a statement by winning or keeping it close vs tOSU. We have a chance next year vs UCLA if Kelly can turn it around, and in 2020 @ Nebraska if Frost can turn it around.

If UC is serious, they need to beef up their non conference schedule---- and win. Then they will get the respect they deserve.

(11-14-2018 10:36 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  We're one ref's yawn from being 10-0 right now. Where would they put a 10-0 UC?

I say 19th, tops.

Well, UC was 20th in the polls 4 weeks ago before the loss to Temple. So they probably would be in the 11-14 range if they were undefeated.

(11-15-2018 02:12 PM)ladeda Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 10:36 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  We're one ref's yawn from being 10-0 right now. Where would they put a 10-0 UC?

I say 19th, tops.

Well, UC was 20th in the polls 4 weeks ago before the loss to Temple. So they probably would be in the 11-14 range if they were undefeated.

20th in the AP/Coaches. That's a far cry from the CFP poll. I posted somewhere about the recent movement in the CFP poll this week. It's shameful the P5 teams that the committee has up there with 3 and 4 losses and the movement these teams get week to week for beating .500 teams in their conference.

(11-15-2018 02:06 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:51 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  Game info: https://today.ucf.edu/ucf-vs-cincinnati-...e-gameday/

Anyone else end up pulling the trigger and going besides me? I know a few of you guys were discussing it.

I'll be there. Get in tomorrow afternoon.

Frontier Flight 1619?

(11-15-2018 02:11 PM)ladeda Wrote:  

(11-14-2018 09:14 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  It's pretty simple really: middle and lower tier P5 schools are elevated in the CFP Poll (and in AP/Coach's) to make the wins by the dynastic schools look more impressive. With Northwestern ranked, they can point out it was one of the "good wins" Michigan and Notre Dame have.

Do you want the conference to get more respect or UC to get more respect? Obviously both, but UC can only control their fate by performing well on the field. There is nothing they can do to help the likes of UConn or Tulsa. If the AAC wants to change perception of their conference, then they need statement wins on a regular basis. Sorry, but wins vs Maryland, G Tech, Arizona, UNC, UCLA, Pittsburgh isn't exactly going to change the perception of the conference much.

All UC can do is go out and win, and hope for program changing wins. Beat tOSU next year, and that will go a long way to changing the perception of UC and to a lesser degree, the conference. But until UC and the rest of the conference start beating some big name teams on a regular basis, they aren't going to get respect.

That's why UC's non conference schedule is important. They need to play good teams, not middle of the pack and below G5 teams, and to win. We have a chance next year to make a statement by winning or keeping it close vs tOSU. We have a chance next year vs UCLA if Kelly can turn it around, and in 2020 @ Nebraska if Frost can turn it around.

If UC is serious, they need to beef up their non conference schedule---- and win. Then they will get the respect they deserve.

That's easier said than done. Most of these P5 schools are being very picky with who they select to play OOC. Many have directives to play at least one other P5 conference team OOC, and some have regional opponents they throw a bone to on a regular basis (for example, ECU frequently plays UNC, NC State and Wake Forest every other year or so, not to mention also VT).

Also problematic is that the more elite programs are not willing to do a home and home arrangement for UC. Now some might argue that UC should just "man up" and be willing to travel on the road for all of their OOC games but that is just not realistic for multiple reasons.

UC has some interesting games coming up in the ensuing years. I Nebraska obviously, but even Pitt and Indiana will put a lot of butts into Nippert. I've heard of a couple other names that have yet to be officially announced that will add more quality to the schedule.

Remember the Big Ten and I think maybe also the ACC consider UC UConn and a couple others as P5 teams for scheduling.

(11-15-2018 02:30 PM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 02:06 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(11-15-2018 11:51 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  Game info: https://today.ucf.edu/ucf-vs-cincinnati-...e-gameday/

Anyone else end up pulling the trigger and going besides me? I know a few of you guys were discussing it.

I'll be there. Get in tomorrow afternoon.

Frontier Flight 1619?

yep

(11-14-2018 10:13 AM)marcuscan Wrote:  At this point...i admit it. I was wrong. I didn't think it was possible for the committee to keep out a team that had won so much. As we're seeing this year....it's true. You can win 50 straight and they're still not going to bat an eye. The Force is strong with the Cartel.

mc

Welcome to the truth.

You will now be ridiculed with some hypothetical "if Houston would have only" crap. The AAC apologists don't realize that if the Cougars went undefeated - at best - they would have been ranked 5th in the CFP.

Just follow the money. It will dictate everything from assistant coach salaries, to head coach retention, to recruiting value, to scheduling quality opponents, and even Olympic sports offerings.

And our beloved Bearcats are falling way short of the Cartel each and every year.