(11-11-2018 01:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 12:36 PM)Shox Wrote:  Was there more to the story then just his record this year? I don't see Louisville replacing him with someone that can accomplish what he has there. Did the new AD just not want to deal with all the baggage?

It's been a multiple year decline, not just this year. Lamar Jackson was able to mask it somewhat, but the decline was there.

Yes, but is this the year where there is a long list of good replacements.
Not a Petrino or UL fan, but I do not see that many good coach replacements and would one year to see an improvement on that list be worth it.

Just caught up. Brohm seems to be a decent choice, but as far as a home run, I would not pay too much to get him. If not, the boosters better get their checkbooks open.

(11-11-2018 06:40 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Petrino has now quit on a team (Atlanta Falcons 2007) in the middle of a season, been fired in the middle of a season (Louisville 2018), and been fired “for cause” (Arkansas 2012, during the off-season).

Not too many people with all 3 of those items in their résumé.

The coaching firing EGOT

(11-11-2018 10:12 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 01:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 12:36 PM)Shox Wrote:  Was there more to the story then just his record this year? I don't see Louisville replacing him with someone that can accomplish what he has there. Did the new AD just not want to deal with all the baggage?

It's been a multiple year decline, not just this year. Lamar Jackson was able to mask it somewhat, but the decline was there.

Yes, but is this the year where there is a long list of good replacements.
Not a Petrino or UL fan, but I do not see that many good coach replacements and would one year to see an improvement on that list be worth it.

I think the coaching pool this year is quite good.

Within P5 you have a number of successes at schools that aren't the traditional powers and are below the P5 average in resources.

The G5 pool is quite good

(11-11-2018 11:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 10:12 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 01:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 12:36 PM)Shox Wrote:  Was there more to the story then just his record this year? I don't see Louisville replacing him with someone that can accomplish what he has there. Did the new AD just not want to deal with all the baggage?

It's been a multiple year decline, not just this year. Lamar Jackson was able to mask it somewhat, but the decline was there.

Yes, but is this the year where there is a long list of good replacements.
Not a Petrino or UL fan, but I do not see that many good coach replacements and would one year to see an improvement on that list be worth it.

I think the coaching pool this year is quite good.

Within P5 you have a number of successes at schools that aren't the traditional powers and are below the P5 average in resources.

The G5 pool is quite good

I must be missing something. We will see.

(11-11-2018 11:44 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 11:33 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 10:12 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 01:00 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 12:36 PM)Shox Wrote:  Was there more to the story then just his record this year? I don't see Louisville replacing him with someone that can accomplish what he has there. Did the new AD just not want to deal with all the baggage?

It's been a multiple year decline, not just this year. Lamar Jackson was able to mask it somewhat, but the decline was there.

Yes, but is this the year where there is a long list of good replacements.
Not a Petrino or UL fan, but I do not see that many good coach replacements and would one year to see an improvement on that list be worth it.

I think the coaching pool this year is quite good.

Within P5 you have a number of successes at schools that aren't the traditional powers and are below the P5 average in resources.

The G5 pool is quite good

I must be missing something. We will see.

Without thinking hard, you have Leach, Rhule, Brohm, Campbell all at schools that are on the lower tier of revenue.

In G5 Boise State, Cincinnati, App State, Troy, UNT, UAB, FAU, Buffalo, Memphis all have coaches worth interviewing.

(11-11-2018 07:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Reasons for Brohm to go to Louisville: Louisville is home. Purdue football is never going to reach the level of Ohio State, this year's upset win notwithstanding; giving up the Purdue job to go home is not like giving up the Michigan or Ohio State job to go home.

Reasons for Brohm to not go to Louisville: Louisville is in the same football division as Clemson, as well as Florida State, who won't stay down for long, even if Taggart is as overrated as he appears to be. Purdue is in the easier-by-far Big Ten football division, a division that could well be up for grabs every year if Wisconsin's magic has run out and Nebraska never recovers its Devaney/Osborne form.

The problem isnt that Purdue will never be Ohio State, its that it will never be a Wisconsin or Michigan State

(11-12-2018 12:09 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 07:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Reasons for Brohm to go to Louisville: Louisville is home. Purdue football is never going to reach the level of Ohio State, this year's upset win notwithstanding; giving up the Purdue job to go home is not like giving up the Michigan or Ohio State job to go home.

Reasons for Brohm to not go to Louisville: Louisville is in the same football division as Clemson, as well as Florida State, who won't stay down for long, even if Taggart is as overrated as he appears to be. Purdue is in the easier-by-far Big Ten football division, a division that could well be up for grabs every year if Wisconsin's magic has run out and Nebraska never recovers its Devaney/Osborne form.

The problem isnt that Purdue will never be Ohio State, its that it will never be a Wisconsin or Michigan State

7 of their 9 games are against the West and IU every year. Wisconsin went 30 straight years without finishing ranked before Alvarez. Purdue’s had stretches (Tiller, Young, Mollenkopf) where they were a UW or MSU but didn’t sustain it with the next hire. IMO, Brohm is better than those coaches and Rondale Moore might turn out good enough to retire his number. I’d bet on them being top 25 the next 3 years if Brohm/Moore stay.

Seems there are a few different things going on with this coaching search.

It's hard to say no to your Alma mater. Even harder to say no to your home. Look no further than the current B1G. Meyer, Harbaugh, Chryst, Fitzgerald, Frost, all "went home" so to speak. Seems like a logical fit for Brohm.

Louisville might be making a preemptive strike. Seeing how many openings there may be by the end of the month, it would make sense that they would want to target "their guy" before a better offer comes along.

In the end, if Louisville wants Brohm and Brohm wants Louisville, it will happen. Of course it will always be "all about the benjamins"...

(11-12-2018 12:44 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 12:09 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 07:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Reasons for Brohm to go to Louisville: Louisville is home. Purdue football is never going to reach the level of Ohio State, this year's upset win notwithstanding; giving up the Purdue job to go home is not like giving up the Michigan or Ohio State job to go home.

Reasons for Brohm to not go to Louisville: Louisville is in the same football division as Clemson, as well as Florida State, who won't stay down for long, even if Taggart is as overrated as he appears to be. Purdue is in the easier-by-far Big Ten football division, a division that could well be up for grabs every year if Wisconsin's magic has run out and Nebraska never recovers its Devaney/Osborne form.

The problem isnt that Purdue will never be Ohio State, its that it will never be a Wisconsin or Michigan State

7 of their 9 games are against the West and IU every year. Wisconsin went 30 straight years without finishing ranked before Alvarez. Purdue’s had stretches (Tiller, Young, Mollenkopf) where they were a UW or MSU but didn’t sustain it with the next hire. IMO, Brohm is better than those coaches and Rondale Moore might turn out good enough to retire his number. I’d bet on them being top 25 the next 3 years if Brohm/Moore stay.

But will Purdue put up the money to keep a top-level or near top-level Big Ten team? I don't see it. They are notoriously cheap. Model, almost, for big programs running football at low costs. Problem is, they look it more years than not.

If you want to see Purdue doing what it did to Ohio State more frequently, it will cost you.

A good AD would have to have a pretty good idea of which direction he would go BEFORE firing any coach.

Does anyone have the figures for what Louisville is paying Jurich, Pitino and - now - Petrino? Couple that with the new deals for Mack and whomever the next head coach is, that is one expensive transition.

(11-12-2018 12:44 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-12-2018 12:09 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(11-11-2018 07:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Reasons for Brohm to go to Louisville: Louisville is home. Purdue football is never going to reach the level of Ohio State, this year's upset win notwithstanding; giving up the Purdue job to go home is not like giving up the Michigan or Ohio State job to go home.

Reasons for Brohm to not go to Louisville: Louisville is in the same football division as Clemson, as well as Florida State, who won't stay down for long, even if Taggart is as overrated as he appears to be. Purdue is in the easier-by-far Big Ten football division, a division that could well be up for grabs every year if Wisconsin's magic has run out and Nebraska never recovers its Devaney/Osborne form.

The problem isnt that Purdue will never be Ohio State, its that it will never be a Wisconsin or Michigan State

7 of their 9 games are against the West and IU every year. Wisconsin went 30 straight years without finishing ranked before Alvarez. Purdue’s had stretches (Tiller, Young, Mollenkopf) where they were a UW or MSU but didn’t sustain it with the next hire. IMO, Brohm is better than those coaches and Rondale Moore might turn out good enough to retire his number. I’d bet on them being top 25 the next 3 years if Brohm/Moore stay.

Agreed.

Purdue has a large and wealthy alumni base. They have 400,000 alums, more than every school outside the Big 10 except Texas.

Historically, Purdue has rarely been the punching bag that it's been for the last 10 years.

Pitino was fired with cause. He is challenging it in court but his chances don’t look good. Jurich has already reached a settlement. Boosters have already committed the cash for Pitrino’s buyout, which will be paid out over the next 3 years.


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(11-12-2018 09:32 AM)XLance Wrote:  A good AD would have to have a pretty good idea of which direction he would go BEFORE firing any coach.

Ironically a radio talk show host here just said the same thing. His guest said that Tyra would not have fired Petrino without having an idea that "his guy" (Jeff) would accept the job if offered.

Something of note:

Shawn Freibert, Brohm's agent is a Louisville resident and UofL grad. He's also a Louisville season ticket holder and a Trinity grad like Vince. One could assume that he and Vince talk regularly about more than football.

Something I will say again. For a city of Louisville's size, Louisville is small when it comes to people knowing people. The degrees of separation here are much closer than most cities the size of Louisville.
Its hard to get anything done quietly here because everyone knows everyone. You would have to live here to understand it.
CJ

Alright, I looked up some figures. UL paid/is paying Jurich $4.5 million (but the agreement's total monetary value tops $7 million because of other benefits). Pitino is suing the university for $38.7 million, the full amount of his contract when he was fired from the university last year. Petrino will definitely be getting $14 million. Tyra's contract is for five years, $850,000 annually. Mack's deal is for $4 million annually (with raises in 2021, followed by 2023).

Once can assume that the new head coach will be getting close to the $4 million annual salary that Petrino was making as well.

At present, it looks like Louisville will be paying for two athletic directors, two football coaches and two men's basketball coaches concurrently. I cannot recall the last time that has happened.

Louisville will also be announcing a new stadium naming rights deal soon.


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Does a Pitino Petrino stadium settle things, maybe P2 stadium

Yeah I totally buy he agreed to a deal with Louisville last week. Apparently his family never moved out of Louisville.

(11-12-2018 12:22 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Does a Pitino Petrino stadium settle things, maybe P2 stadium

Awesome!